2021/2022 Free Agency Thread

[Stangstag]

 

How does it make any sense that an arm issue would stop you from playing 2nd but not SS?

 

What am I missing here?

[Jimcanuck]

How does it make any sense that an arm issue would stop you from playing 2nd but not SS?

 

What am I missing here?

 

The bit about "not full time". Sounds like some chronic injury that flares up with use. Would apply to both SS and 2B

[connorp]

How does it make any sense that an arm issue would stop you from playing 2nd but not SS?

 

What am I missing here?

 

Seems like he’s talking about the physics of the throwing angle/motion. Above my pay grade

[connorp]

The bit about "not full time". Sounds like some chronic injury that flares up with use. Would apply to both SS and 2B

 

His “throwing delivery” is clearly the point of contention. How that plays negatively at 2b, rather than SS.

[Ehjays]

[Laika]

How does it make any sense that an arm issue would stop you from playing 2nd but not SS?

 

What am I missing here?

 

I don't get it either

 

All I can think of is that left side infielders make full strength throws and 2B often don't. But why would little Cavan Biggio tosses be worse for his arm?

[Laika]

 

Oh darn

[RobinThicc]

[Ehjays]

[Jays24]

Dammit... still don't get why a team like the Red Sox would trade Betts in the prime of his career. They must have thought he wasn't going to keep up his high level of play or something.

[Grant77]

 

Interesting addition. It almost certainly means that Bogaerts is leaving, and who can blame him, but Story should adequately replace his production and give a bit of a boost to this year's club.

[Jimcanuck]

Projections on Story are all over the map. Will be an interesting player to follow.

[z3r0s]

ugh, as a Story fanboy, I hate that the deal is so cheap, and that is cheap for the f'n Sox.

Oh well, at least as a fantasy owner its not a bad place to move from COL

[max silver]

Dammit... still don't get why a team like the Red Sox would trade Betts in the prime of his career. They must have thought he wasn't going to keep up his high level of play or something.

 

Boston wasn't able to get Betts to sign an extension. I don't know whether they simply weren't able to line up on over term and dollars or whether Betts desired to move elsewhere.

[BTS]

I don't see this is a very big get for Boston. There are some health concerns there, he's moving off SS, and xwOBA has been in the 0.330s every year since 2018. I bet Boston regrets this within a couple of years.

[Jimcanuck]

I don't see this is a very big get for Boston. There are some health concerns there, he's moving off SS, and xwOBA has been in the 0.330s every year since 2018. I bet Boston regrets this within a couple of years.

 

ya some red flags for sure, plus a big part of his value is speed which could disappear with the next injury

[BTS]

Also, anyone know why ZiPS and ZiPS DC have different wrC+ projections?

[Deadpool]

Also, anyone know why ZiPS and ZiPS DC have different wrC+ projections?

 

Zips DC hasn't been granted statehood yet? That's bound to impact decisions.

[Grant77]

Boston wasn't able to get Betts to sign an extension. I don't know whether they simply weren't able to line up on over term and dollars or whether Betts desired to move elsewhere.

 

It's pretty clear to me that Betts wanted out of there as soon as possible, but went about it in a very professional way.

[G-Snarls]

Boston wasn't able to get Betts to sign an extension. I don't know whether they simply weren't able to line up on over term and dollars or whether Betts desired to move elsewhere.

 

He seemed quite unhappy there the last year or so. He wanted out.

[connorp]

I don't get it either

 

All I can think of is that left side infielders make full strength throws and 2B often don't. But why would little Cavan Biggio tosses be worse for his arm?

 

Totally spitballing but perhaps over time, 2b wears more on the arm as your throws are more of a slinging motion more times than not. Your bicep more than shoulder. Vs the left side which would be more shoulder based. Just a guess

[connorp]

So: Devers, Bogey, Story, Dalbec/Casas

 

Vs

 

Chapman, Bo, crap, and Vlad. Who you taking?

[Grant77]

So: Devers, Bogey, Story, Dalbec/Casas

 

Vs

 

Chapman, Bo, crap, and Vlad. Who you taking?

 

The latter without question. Boston has a small advantage other than 1B, but then there's Vlad.

[G-Snarls]

So: Devers, Bogey, Story, Dalbec/Casas

 

Vs

 

Chapman, Bo, crap, and Vlad. Who you taking?

 

Sox IF better defense by 10%

 

Jays IF better offense by 15-20%

 

So Jays IF for sure

[connorp]

The latter without question. Boston has a small advantage other than 1B, but then there's Vlad.

 

I essentially agree with this assessment. I give Bos the win for sure to the left of 1b, but Vlad is just too much to overcome

[max silver]

So: Devers, Bogey, Story, Dalbec/Casas

 

Vs

 

Chapman, Bo, crap, and Vlad. Who you taking?

 

Jays without a doubt. The two key players to their infield are young with many years of remaining control and still improving as major leaguers, whereas Boston's infield is at the age where it's unlikely they will improve to any degree. Each team has a good bounceback candidate with Chapman and Story. I think the biggest difference is each club's weakness, with the Jays having the potential for a nice platoon situation with Biggio and Espinal, where Boston has a giant pile of s*** for first base.

[xposbrad]

Either way, the value of the deal is pretty solid for Boston. To have a projected 4 war player who can easily put up 5-6 if he rebounds, locked in for 23m is not bad at all.

[G-Snarls]

Either way, the value of the deal is pretty solid for Boston. To have a projected 4 war player who can easily put up 5-6 if he rebounds, locked in for 23m is not bad at all.

 

Agreed

 

Wish he had gone to SFG

[Laika]

so: Devers, bogey, story, dalbec/casas

 

vs

 

chapman, bo, crap, and vlad. Who you taking?

 

jays

 

3b - 3.9

ss - 5.1

2b - 2.0

1b - 5.9

total === 16.9 war

 

boston

 

3b - 4.8

ss - 4.8

2b - 4.0

1b - 1.5

total === 15.1 war

[connorp]

Not surprised you’d bring positional depth into the debate. Though I’m sure with Vlad, Jays still get the edge with the starters. Will be interesting when we see what Casas is when he comes up