TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) Welcome to the 2021 First-Year Player Draft. Draft day discussion will take place in this thread. This post will be updated with live streams, pick results and tracking of the best players available. Stay tuned! Draft Order: First Round 01. Pittsburgh Pirates 02. Texas Rangers 03. Detroit Tigers 04. Boston Red Sox 05. Baltimore Orioles 06. Arizona Diamondbacks 07. Kansas City Royals 08. Colorado Rockies 09. Los Angeles Angels 10. New York Mets 11. Washington Nationals 12. Seattle Mariners 13. Philadelphia Phillies 14. San Francisco Giants 15. Milwaukee Brewers 16. Miami Marlins 17. Cincinnati Reds 18. St. Louis Cardinals 19. Toronto Blue Jays 20. New York Yankees 21. Chicago Cubs 22. Chicago White Sox 23. Cleveland Indians 24. Atlanta Braves 25. Oakland Athletics 26. Minnesota Twins 27. San Diego Padres 28. Tampa Bay Rays 29. Los Angeles Dodgers Useful Links Draft Order Draft Tracker MLB Top 250 BA Top 500 (Paywall) FanGraphs ScoutBoard Mock Drafts Callis / Mayo (MLB.com) Kiley McDaniel (ESPN) Ketih Law (The Athletic) Eric Longenhagen (FanGraphs) Mike Axisa (CBS Sports) Baseball America (Paywall) Additional Reading MLB.com: Meet each organization's Draft guru MLB.com: Famous family ties for 2021 Draft prospects MLB.com: The best No. 1 Draft pick in every team's history Edited July 12, 2021 by TwistedLogic
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted July 9, 2021 Author Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) MLB Top 250 [center][b] [color="#800080"][u]Rnk Name Pos Age Team Pick [/u][/color][color="#000000"] [color="#D3D3D3"]001 Marcelo Mayer SS 18 BOS 4 002 Jack Leiter RHP 21 TEX 2 003 Jordan Lawler SS 18 ARI 6 004 Kahlil Watson SS 18 MIA 16 005 Henry Davis C 21 PIT 1 006 Kumar Rocker RHP 21 NYM 10 007 Jackson Jobe RHP 18 DET 3 008 Brady House SS 18 WAS 11 009 Ty Madden RHP 21 DET 32 010 Colton Cowser OF 21 BAL 5 011 Sal Frelick OF 21 MIL 15 012 Matt McLain SS 21 CLE 17 013 Harry Ford C 18 SEA 13 014 Sam Bachman RHP 21 LAA 9 015 Benny Montgomery OF 18 COL 8 [/color] [color="#D3D3D3"]016 Jordan Wicks LHP 21 CHC 21 [/color] 017 Anthony Solometo LHP 18 --- -- [color="#D3D3D3"]018 Andrew Painter RHP 18 PHI 13 019 Joe Mack C 18 MIA 31 [/color] 020 Will Taylor OF 18 --- -- 021 Bubba Chandler RHP/SS 18 --- -- [color="#0000FF"]022 Gunnar Hoglund RHP 21 TOR 19 [/color] 023 Jud Fabian OF 20 --- -- 024 Joshua Baez OF 18 --- -- [color="#D3D3D3"]025 Colson Montgomery 3B 19 CWS 22 026 Ryan Cusick RHP 21 ATL 24 [/color] [color="#D3D3D3"]027 Chase Petty RHP 18 MIN 26 028 Michael McGreevy RHP 21 STL 18 [/color] 029 Peyton Stovall 2B 18 --- -- 030 Izaac Pacheco 3B 18 --- -- [color="#D3D3D3"]031 Gavin Williams RHP 21 CLE 23 032 Will Bednar RHP 21 SFG 14 033 Jay Allen OF 18 CIN 30 [/color] 034 Wes Kath 3B 18 --- -- 035 Ethan Wilson OF 21 --- -- 036 Jaden Hill RHP 21 --- -- 037 Tyler Whitaker OF 18 --- -- [color="#D3D3D3"]038 Max Muncy SS 18 OAK 25 039 Frank Mozzicato LHP 18 KCR 7 040 Matheu Nelson C 22 CIN 35 041 Carson Williams SS 18 TBR 28 [/color] 042 Adrian Del Castillo C 21 --- -- 043 Gage Jump LHP 18 --- -- 044 James Wood OF 18 --- -- 045 Tommy Mace RHP 22 --- -- 046 Ben Kudrna RHP 18 --- -- 047 Chase Burns RHP 18 --- -- 048 Josh Hartle LHP 18 --- -- [color="#D3D3D3"]049 Maddux Bruns LHP 19 LAD 29 [/color] 050 Matt Mikulski LHP 22 --- -- 051 Andrew Abbott LHP 22 --- -- 052 Christian Franklin OF 21 --- -- 053 Jackson Baumeister RHP 19 --- -- 054 Spencer Schwellenbach RHP/SS 21 --- -- [color="#D3D3D3"]055 Trey Sweeney SS 21 NYY 20 [/color] 056 Doug Nikhazy LHP 21 --- -- [color="#D3D3D3"]057 Tyler Black 2B 20 MIL 33 [/color] 058 Connor Norby 2B 21 --- -- 059 Cody Morissette SS 21 --- -- 060 Thatcher Hurd RHP 18 --- -- 061 Tommy Dilandri OF 18 --- -- [color="#D3D3D3"]062 Noah Miller SS 18 MIN 36 [/color] 063 Cody Schrier SS 18 --- -- 064 Alex Mooney SS 19 --- -- 065 Alex Binelas 1B/3B 21 --- -- 066 Braden Montgomery OF/RHP 18 --- -- 067 Ky Bush LHP 21 --- -- 068 Peyton Wilson 2B 21 --- -- 069 Jose Torres SS 21 --- -- 070 Ryan Bliss SS 21 --- -- 071 Davis Diaz SS/C 18 --- -- 072 Lonnie White OF 18 --- -- 073 Eric Hammond RHP 18 --- -- 074 Dylan Smith RHP 21 --- -- 075 Sean Burke RHP 21 --- -- 076 Aaron Zavala OF 21 --- -- 077 Brody Brecht RHP 18 --- -- 078 James Triantos SS 18 --- -- [color="#D3D3D3"]079 Jackson Merrill SS 18 SDP 27 [/color] 080 Daylen Lile OF 18 --- -- 081 Kyle Manzardo 1B 20 --- -- 082 Carter Jensen C 18 --- -- 083 Edwin Arroyo SS 17 --- -- [color="#D3D3D3"]084 Cooper Kinney 2B 18 TBR 34 [/color] 085 Joe Rock LHP 20 --- -- 086 Zack Gelof 3B 21 --- -- 087 Hunter Goodman C 21 --- -- 088 Robert Gasser LHP 22 --- -- 089 Jonathan Cannon RHP 20 --- -- 090 Landon Marceaux RHP 21 --- -- 091 Bryce Miller RHP 22 --- -- 092 Cameron Cauley SS 18 --- -- 093 Michael Robertson OF 18 --- -- 094 Braylon Bishop OF 18 --- -- 095 Malakhi Knight OF 18 --- -- 096 Dominic Hame RHP 22 --- -- 097 Isaiah Thomas OF 21 --- -- 098 Denzel Clarke OF 21 --- -- 099 Brendan Black RHP 22 --- -- 100 Steven Hajjar LHP 20 --- -- [/color][/b][/center] Available | Drafted | Blue Jay Edited July 12, 2021 by TwistedLogic
Ray Verified Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 Any of Tyler Black, Ty Madden (if he drops), or Gunnar Hoglund would be good with me. Both Hoglund and Madden have had TJ which is why they might drop to us. No chance we get them at 19 if they’re healthy, so the upside could be worth it. Just please stay away from Jud Fabian.
InvincibleTiger Verified Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 Is it just me or does virtually every mock have us linked to Jay Allen?
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 I wonder if Ben Chringron has decided who to take first overall yet......
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) Any of Tyler Black, Ty Madden (if he drops), or Gunnar Hoglund would be good with me. Both Hoglund and Madden have had TJ which is why they might drop to us. No chance we get them at 19 if they’re healthy, so the upside could be worth it. Just please stay away from Jud Fabian. Fun fact: Tyler Black was groomed by my buddies Rich and Rob Butler at their academy (LineDrive), he was playing 18U as a 15 year old and crushing it. That'd be pretty cool if he ended up a Blue Jay. I think they go with Allen, lots of love from the Mocks to Toronto. ETA: He's also Rod Black's son from TSN, haha! Edited July 9, 2021 by Spanky99
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 I wonder if Ben Chringron has decided who to take first overall yet...... Marcelo Mayer brosoff, book it.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 Yeah seems like a lot of Jay Allen to the Jays in the mocks posted here. I know next to nothing about amateur prospects so I don't know if that would be a good pick or not, but can't argue with the Jays drafting under the Atkins regime (last 3 first round picks being Groshans, Manoah, and Martin) so will trust them either way.
Scion Verified Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 I always chuckle when I read, "Just please don't take player X." No one knows the future, it wasn't that long ago that player X was Trea Turner. Just be happy with whomever the Jays select and hope for the best.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 Damn... the Reds have 3 picks in the top 35... 4 in the top 53. Their farm is going to get a massive bump.
Daniel Labude Jays Centre Contributor Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 I'm going to guess we take Allen or Fabian at 19
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 I always chuckle when I read, "Just please don't take player X." No one knows the future, it wasn't that long ago that player X was Trea Turner. Just be happy with whomever the Jays select and hope for the best. Same, it really is silly.
JaysAllMighty Old-Timey Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 So can we get lucky 2 years in a row with very top talent dropping to us?
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted July 9, 2021 Author Posted July 9, 2021 I always chuckle when I read, "Just please don't take player X." No one knows the future, it wasn't that long ago that player X was Trea Turner. Just be happy with whomever the Jays select and hope for the best. lol, remember when everyone was dumbfounded that the Astros reached for some Puerto Rican kid called Carlos Correa instead of picking Houston-native Mark Appel 1OA? The immediate consensus was that they purposely reached to get a below-slot player. Of course, they did sign Correa below slot, and used the savings to pick up Lance McCullers Jr. in the second round. But shortly after the pick, we immediately saw reports come out that the Astros actually considered Correa the best player available. Obviously they still made the mistake of taking Appel 1OA the next year, but what a f***ing call that turned out to be for them in 2012. They got 35 fWAR out of Correa and McCullers and Appel has yet to throw a major league inning.
BlueRocky Old-Timey Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 BA’s final mock has us taking Jordan Wicks. 19 Jordan Wicks Kansas State LHP Notes: Previously we’ve heard the Blue Jays tied to Florida preps like Andrew Painter and outfielder Jay Allen, but it also makes a lot of sense for Toronto to target one of several college arms who should be available. Bednar, Hoglund and McGreevy make sense, in addition to Wicks (who is the pick), and it wouldn’t be crazy for a guy like Ryan Cusick or Gavin Williams to fit this high either.
BlueRocky Old-Timey Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 Some really exciting arms available at our pick range if the target prep bat isn’t there
BlueRocky Old-Timey Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 Yeah seems like a lot of Jay Allen to the Jays in the mocks posted here. I know next to nothing about amateur prospects so I don't know if that would be a good pick or not, but can't argue with the Jays drafting under the Atkins regime (last 3 first round picks being Groshans, Manoah, and Martin) so will trust them either way. Allen is advertised to be an explosive athlete in the tier of Jordan Lawlar and Benny Montgomery, that’s pretty exciting. I just get cringes drafting multi-sport guys after the Alford debacle, this board spent years debating about his upside and how much better he would be after committing to baseball. Not looking forward to anymore of these lines of discussion.
metafour Verified Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 Allen is advertised to be an explosive athlete in the tier of Jordan Lawlar and Benny Montgomery, that’s pretty exciting. I just get cringes drafting multi-sport guys after the Alford debacle, this board spent years debating about his upside and how much better he would be after committing to baseball. Not looking forward to anymore of these lines of discussion. But in this case Allen would be playing baseball full-time. He's only a "multi-sport athlete" now - when/if he's drafted in the first round and signs, he's going to be a baseball player. Alford's situation was very unique/peculiar in that we paid him to barely play baseball up until he finally gave up football.
Ray Verified Member Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 I always chuckle when I read, "Just please don't take player X." No one knows the future, it wasn't that long ago that player X was Trea Turner. Just be happy with whomever the Jays select and hope for the best. The Jays drafting him would actually give me considerably more confidence in him developing. Our player development system has become quite good, especially for position players. I’m not saying he’s going to bust based on the minute amount I’ve watched or read. There are people who get paid to analyze this stuff, which I do not. It’s just that the vast majority of time, college players with a 30% K-rate and limited contact ability do not translate well to the majors. The power is real and he’s got tools. Just seems like those strikeout rates are a giant red flag. I’ve said it before, but ultimately, Ill be okay with whomever they end up drafting.
metafour Verified Member Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 New mock draft from Fangraphs. College players appear to be the hot late trendy connection with the Jays. As well as further indication that they prefer to save money at #19 if possible. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/mock-draft-3-0-the-morning-of/ 19. Toronto Blue Jays Pick: Jordan Wicks, LHP, Kansas State Most teams think the Blue Jays will try to cut an under-slot deal here. We might have gotten a bit too excited at news of a private workout with Jay Allen, as rumors around Toronto remain wildly varied, and like the Cardinals, they’ve also been looking closely at Trey Sweeney. Off the board in this scenario, Wicks is too good a pitcher to drop out of the teens. Because the Jays lack a second rounder, they can’t really mess around with tough-to-sign players here.
Laika Community Moderator Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 New mock draft from Fangraphs. College players appear to be the hot late trendy connection with the Jays. As well as further indication that they prefer to save money at #19 if possible. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/mock-draft-3-0-the-morning-of/ Underslot would be weird for Toronto too since they lack a 2nd and therefore lack flexibility. I do think we see a straight forward pick. Bonus = slot value.
metafour Verified Member Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 Underslot would be weird for Toronto too since they lack a 2nd and therefore lack flexibility. Really? I don't think it's weird at all and in fact it makes perfect sense to me. Going under-slot would mean being able to "buy" a bigger talent elsewhere (most likely immediately in the 3rd round) which would help offset the lack of a 2nd round pick. It makes sense to go under-slot at #19 in this particular draft because we're already picking in the range where consensus is non-existent, with lots of players in that range being similarly skilled depending on who you ask and what the preference is.
Daniel Labude Jays Centre Contributor Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 Really? I don't think it's weird at all and in fact it makes perfect sense to me. Going under-slot would mean being able to "buy" a bigger talent elsewhere (most likely immediately in the 3rd round) which would help offset the lack of a 2nd round pick. It makes sense to go under-slot at #19 in this particular draft because we're already picking in the range where consensus is non-existent, with lots of players in that range being similarly skilled depending on who you ask and what the preference is. Still a 3rd round pick. Going under slot makes no sense
Laika Community Moderator Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 Really? I don't think it's weird at all and in fact it makes perfect sense to me. Going under-slot would mean being able to "buy" a bigger talent elsewhere (most likely immediately in the 3rd round) which would help offset the lack of a 2nd round pick. It makes sense to go under-slot at #19 in this particular draft because we're already picking in the range where consensus is non-existent, with lots of players in that range being similarly skilled depending on who you ask and what the preference is. You typically see teams go underslot when they have a surplus of picks, i.e. flexibility in the draft. Toronto would really be forcing the issue if they went underslot with pick 1.
metafour Verified Member Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 Still a 3rd round pick. Going under slot makes no sense Players fall for signability in literally every round of the draft - saving just $~$350K gets us to right at around $1 million for the 3rd round pick, which is the slot value at the end of the 2nd round. That's enough to entice a legitimate HS pick to sign in the 3rd, not even taking into account further signing-bonus manipulation (ie: maybe they plan on punting in the 9th/10th rounds? Maybe they can save even more than $350K at #19?).
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 Players fall for signability in literally every round of the draft - saving just $~$350K gets us to right at around $1 million for the 3rd round pick, which is the slot value at the end of the 2nd round. That's enough to entice a legitimate HS pick to sign in the 3rd, not even taking into account further signing-bonus manipulation (ie: maybe they plan on punting in the 9th/10th rounds? Maybe they can save even more than $350K at #19?). It's a legitimate approach. If the Jays are taking a college pitcher in the 1st, which the last BA mock suggested, there will be several at #19 to pick from that would sign underslot.
metafour Verified Member Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 You typically see teams go underslot when they have a surplus of picks, i.e. flexibility in the draft. Toronto would really be forcing the issue if they went underslot with pick 1. You're missing the point - there aren't even 29 consensus first round talents in this draft. Unless you're sitting there with someone who LEGITIMATELY fell to #19, this scouting department is strong enough to find a player they like at #19 who also saves money. Kind of like when they "reached" and took Groshans while saving money, who in fact wasn't even a reach at all. They obviously have a wide net of players they like, which means that they can shop them against each other and see who offers the most bang for their buck. Someone like Jay Allen may go at the very end of the 1st round if he doesn't go at #19 (or he may go the very next pick) so there is incentive for some of these kids to cut an under slot deal. Note that by "under-slot" I don't mean that they're going to take a 2nd round talent or someone completely off the board at #19.
Laika Community Moderator Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 You're missing the point - there aren't even 29 consensus first round talents in this draft. Unless you're sitting there with someone who LEGITIMATELY fell to #19, this scouting department is strong enough to find a player they like at #19 who also saves money. Kind of like when they "reached" and took Groshans while saving money, who in fact wasn't even a reach at all. They obviously have a wide net of players they like, which means that they can shop them against each other and see who offers the most bang for their buck. Someone like Jay Allen may go at the very end of the 1st round if he doesn't go at #19 (or he may go the very next pick) so there is incentive for some of these kids to cut an under slot deal. Note that by "under-slot" I don't mean that they're going to take a 2nd round talent or someone completely off the board at #19. Okay, well that would make perfect sense. I won't dispute that.
Benito Verified Member Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 How many minutes between picks again? Always exciting when some of the expected higher rank guys drop and slides to Jays pick. But I also have high trust in this FO if they go off board a bit, and take underslot to save for 3rd round.
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