GDT (2/4) | Blue Jays (38-35) vs. Orioles (23-52) | June 25 — 7:07 PM

[DigitalRock]

Half of these blown losses are due to Chatwood walking or hitting multiple batters. I don’t understand why they keep going to him?

 

They need to stop using him in high leverage

[Jays24]

They need to stop using him in high leverage

 

Agreed but who's left then?

[Scion]

Half of these blown losses are due to Chatwood walking or hitting multiple batters. I don’t understand why they keep going to him?

 

Because the other options suck too... How many times do people need to see a different guy fail before they realize the problem isn't just one or two guys.

[DigitalRock]

Agreed but who's left then?

 

True, not a lot of options, at this point it's on shatkins to get better pieces.

[Krylian]

He has been pretty good

 

Lots of pitches outside of the strike zone called a strike

[saskjayfan]

It was 5-2 with 1 out, lets not get ahead of ourselves. Execution was at fault, not Charlie. Maybe a switch in the 10th but...

 

It was 5 to 2 with one out and 2 RUNNERS ON BASE with the tying run coming to the plate. If he had brought in Payamps or Castro that would be one thing, but a lefty rookie to face 3 f***ing right handed batters. It was a f*** up by Charlie. I was yelling at my TV when Saucedo came in, not when he got lit up.

[Stangstag]

They need to stop using him in high leverage

 

To be fair, it wasn’t really high leverage when he was brought in. 4 run lead in the 8th...

[Spanky99]

Tough loss folks, again. Lets take the goo.... f*** that, lol.

[Spanky99]

Everyone knew our pitching was going to be our weak point this season. The fact our management didn't add more to their glaring weakness looks bad on them. Especially when we have plenty of salary room to make it happen.

 

Our management decided to save that salary space for the trade deadline but we might have lost too many games by that point...

 

They can't foresee what happened? You serious? lol

[Spanky99]

It was 5 to 2 with one out and 2 RUNNERS ON BASE with the tying run coming to the plate. If he had brought in Payamps or Castro that would be one thing, but a lefty rookie to face 3 f***ing right handed batters. It was a f*** up by Charlie. I was yelling at my TV when Saucedo came in, not when he got lit up.

 

Okay.

[TwistedLogic]

It was 5 to 2 with one out and 2 RUNNERS ON BASE with the tying run coming to the plate. If he had brought in Payamps or Castro that would be one thing, but a lefty rookie to face 3 f***ing right handed batters. It was a f*** up by Charlie. I was yelling at my TV when Saucedo came in, not when he got lit up.

 

Castro would have given up a game-tying bomb on one pitch.

 

Chatwood wasn't missing his spots by much and he was coming off two straight holds in close games. Should have left him in for at least another batter to see if he can get out of it.

[M.E.]

How can it be true that I heard that Thornton walking in a run I think is the 13th time this season already this team has walked in a run. Please tell me this is not true..................

[Effit]

Let’s hope we win the next two. This is a team we need to be wiping the floor with instead of giving away games.

[Jays24]

They can't foresee what happened? You serious? lol

 

Yes, we invested the most bullpen money into a player who failed his physical while cheaping out on the rest. Of course injuries have been a concern but the whole world knew our pitching was a mess to begin with. You get what you pay for and we're getting exactly that...

[Spanky99]

Yes, we invested the most bullpen money into a player who failed his physical while cheaping out on the rest. Of course injuries have been a concern but the whole world knew our pitching was a mess to begin with. You get what you pay for and we're getting exactly that...

 

From the pen? It's only Yates, that's done it's over. The rest is silly.

[max silver]

Holy f*** this team knows how to break your heart. If the team actually had any decent alternatives I would be banging the drum to move Chatwood to a lower leverage spot given the Jekyll and Hyde routine he's been performing lately. But realistically who does the team have available that's any better? Perhaps Patrick Murphy could be that guy eventually, but he's been a bit shaky to start his season. Castro looked really good for awhile but he's been getting lit up lately. Thornton's stuff has ticked up nicely but he's had his own share of recent troubles. Could Payamps maybe have earned a shot at a little higher leverage? He doesn't wow you or strike many batters out but the results have been consistently good.

 

I can only imagine how demoralizing it must be for the team to constantly see the bullpen pissing away leads late in games. The offence has been solid, the defence typically makes the plays it should, and the starters have been very reliable lately. But until this bullpen gets some more consistent arms it's going to be hard for this team to stay in the race. They desperately need for Borucki and Merryweather to make it back and immediately start contributing. Aside from the typical waiver wire garbage there looks to be no external help realistically available at the moment.

[Spanky99]

Who... tell us how you really feel?

[Stangstag]

Castro would have given up a game-tying bomb on one pitch.

 

Chatwood wasn't missing his spots by much and he was coming off two straight holds in close games. Should have left him in for at least another batter to see if he can get out of it.

 

Yeah probably. The RBI single up the middle easily could have been a double play. And he might have been able to induce another grounder to finish the inning

[Spanky99]

Castro would have given up a game-tying bomb on one pitch.

 

Chatwood wasn't missing his spots by much and he was coming off two straight holds in close games. Should have left him in for at least another batter to see if he can get out of it.

 

Or let em walk another? He was pulled responsibly, man.

[Spanky99]

Let’s hope we win the next two. This is a team we need to be wiping the floor with instead of giving away games.

 

Yes, this is adamant.

[Eat My Shatkins]

My god is our bullpen ever filled with a bunch of useless s*** bags.

 

5 walks? Walk in the winning run? The Orioles didn't even have to get a hit in the 10th to get the go ahead run for f*** sakes.

 

Just a complete abortion.

 

It was bad enough when these garbage relievers were tossing away games against the Rays and Red Sox, but now they're f***ing blowing it against the goddamn Orioles?

 

f***ing pathetic.

[Spanky99]

Injury Report

Eligible to return on Sat Jun 26 - Day-to-Day.

Latest News

 

Jun 25, 11:19 PM EDT EDT

Payamps' back has been "so-so," which has led the Blue Jays to not use him recently, Mitch Bannon of SI.com reports.

 

Analysis

Payamps hasn't pitched since June 17, and manager Charlie Montoyo revealed Friday that the right-hander's lack of usage is due to an injury. The issue apparently hasn't been serious enough to warrant a trip to the injured list, but it's not yet clear when he'll be able to return to the mound.

[5ToolPhenom]

This post is retarded

 

Vladdy gets a hit at a 34% clip, a bunt puts runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out with Teoscar and Springer up next in a position where a single wins the game. At worst, all Teo has to do is hit a fly ball or put the ball in play so the runner from 3rd can score to tie the game. Game's on the line and they only needed 2, but at least tying the game has to be the imperative there.

 

In a must win game, they gotta try to at least prolong the game and in a division with the Boxsox, Yanks and Rays, a lot of these games against the O's are going to be must wins if we're going to have a shot at returning to the playoffs.

 

But let's face it, I know most teams aren't going to have their big slugger bunt. I'm just saying that it wouldn't have been the worst idea and with the benefit of hindsight, it would've been better than what the alternative proved to be.

[5ToolPhenom]

 

Yeah I get it it's early, but if you want any chance of making the playoffs you have to sweep the series. You can't just f***ing give away games..

 

 

That's what I'm talking about man. Too many of these winnable games are being pissed away. At some point they gotta start treating these games as must wins. That means managing like it's the playoffs. I get that it's a long season and crappy losses are going to happen to every team, but my goodness, they're happening to the Jays far too often.

[5ToolPhenom]

True, not a lot of options, at this point it's on shatkins to get better pieces.

 

Don' they have an influx of talented starters in AAA? Why not bring em up and have em start in the pen? I know it's not ideal, but s***, they gotta do something.

[NHLPRO]

Pathetic Bull$#%@pen

[Governator]

Vladdy gets a hit at a 34% clip, a bunt puts runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out with Teoscar and Springer up next in a position where a single wins the game. At worst, all Teo has to do is hit a fly ball or put the ball in play so the runner from 3rd can score to tie the game. Game's on the line and they only needed 2, but at least tying the game has to be the imperative there.

 

In a must win game, they gotta try to at least prolong the game and in a division with the Boxsox, Yanks and Rays, a lot of these games against the O's are going to be must wins if we're going to have a shot at returning to the playoffs.

 

But let's face it, I know most teams aren't going to have their big slugger bunt. I'm just saying that it wouldn't have been the worst idea and with the benefit of hindsight, it would've been better than what the alternative proved to be.

 

Uhmmm...The odds of vlad knocking in a runner from 2nd is 42%, the best in mlb. The odds vlad can lay down a bunt is peanuts and an out. Don't make my head hurt this early.

[BigCecil]

f***... Kinda predictable, but man, we had the right guys up. Once Bo walked I was actually thinking about the possibility of having Vladdy bunt. I know it's unorthodox, but the O's had the bottom of their order up in the 11th. May as well play to at least tie.

 

I mean, If I were the manager, I probably wouldn't have bunted him because he's one of the hottest players in the league, but at some point, you gotta just play fundamental baseball. KBO has their best players bunt when the game is on the line and it calls for it and it works 8 times outta 10.

 

Dude, that is a DJBlueray old board flashback hot take. Vlad bunt? C'mon man. For so many reasons thats not worthy of being an option.

[Deadpool]

Vladdy gets a hit at a 34% clip, a bunt puts runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out with Teoscar and Springer up next in a position where a single wins the game. At worst, all Teo has to do is hit a fly ball or put the ball in play so the runner from 3rd can score to tie the game. Game's on the line and they only needed 2, but at least tying the game has to be the imperative there.

 

In a must win game, they gotta try to at least prolong the game and in a division with the Boxsox, Yanks and Rays, a lot of these games against the O's are going to be must wins if we're going to have a shot at returning to the playoffs.

 

But let's face it, I know most teams aren't going to have their big slugger bunt. I'm just saying that it wouldn't have been the worst idea and with the benefit of hindsight, it would've been better than what the alternative proved to be.

 

Dude, The odds that Vladdy gets a successful sac bunt down are lower than the odds that he drive in at least one run. Horrid idea.

[5ToolPhenom]

Dude, The odds that Vladdy gets a successful sac bunt down are lower than the odds that he drive in at least one run. Horrid idea.

 

I get it, a lot of these guys don't even practice bunting anymore so it wouldn't have been practical.

 

I just think that if a team is down a run in the bottom half of the last inning, runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out and 2 of your best hitters up next is almost a better situation than having a batter swing away with runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs. Too much can go wrong when swinging away when the imperative has to be scoring at least 1 run. Because remember, it's not like they're on the road and need to score as many as possible. With runners on 2nd and 3rd, a groundball that sneaks through the defense wins the game.

 

This is why I'd like to see EVERYONE practice the small ball fundamentals more, even the sluggers. The name of the game is manufacturing runs and it puts more pressure on the defense and pitchers when ANYTHING is on the table.

 

I'll stress again tho, I get it. It's Vladdy. It would be like having Frank Thomas bunt with the game on the line haha. I just wish we'd see more outside the box thinking sometimes . There's very little surprise factor in the MLB anymore, there's the by the book way of playing and no one dares break away from that no matter what the case is. A perfect example would be Kevin Cash pulling Blake Snell during the World Series when he was absolutely cruising, just because the book says to pull a pitcher before the 3rd time through the lineup. Utter madness.