JuniorFelix54 Verified Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 This team would be 12 games over .500 if the bullpen wasn't such garbage. Unless they score 18 runs the bullpen comes in and blows just about any lead they have. What a bunch of scrubs! I knew pitching would be the downfall of this team but I assumed it would be starting pitching and that has done well enough to win plenty of games but the back end is a complete joke. Maybe this offseason they can find some more relievers to sign coming off major arm injuries, stupid stupid stupid
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Thought I heard we were only 4th worst. Revise your title and be accurate
Laika Community Moderator Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 On the season: By WAR - 19th By ERA - 10th By K rate - 14th By average velocity - 17th Since May 15th By WAR - 28th (minus 0.5!) By ERA - 24th By K rate - 13th By average velocity - 9th
JuniorFelix54 Verified Member Posted June 16, 2021 Author Posted June 16, 2021 On the season: By WAR - 19th By ERA - 10th By K rate - 14th By average velocity - 17th Since May 15th By WAR - 28th (minus 0.5!) By ERA - 24th By K rate - 13th By average velocity - 9th Do you watch the games? If you do then you see the bullpen blow game after game after game, stats are irrelevant. Where do they rank in losses and blown saves?
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Do you watch the games? If you do then you see the bullpen blow game after game after game, stats are irrelevant. Where do they rank in losses and blown saves? His post is pointing out how atrocious they've been since May 15
BuffaloWings Verified Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Its amazing that they dont luck into more wins given how often they go into the 7th inning with a lead. Its been historically bad the last few weeks. The two walks offs, and then what happened last night are unacceptable.
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Do you watch the games? If you do then you see the bullpen blow game after game after game, stats are irrelevant. Where do they rank in losses and blown saves? Do you watch the games? At the beginning of the season, the bullpen was excellent. Until all the injuries piled up... since then they’re been extremely bad. One of the worst. The K rate is still middle of the pack though, which makes me believe the bloated ERA is mainly due to walks and errors. That makes sense given what we’re witnessing every night.
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Its amazing that they dont luck into more wins given how often they go into the 7th inning with a lead. Its been historically bad the last few weeks. The two walks offs, and then what happened last night are unacceptable. I would guess their walk rate since May is probably bottom 3 worst in the league. Hard to do anything when you just keep walking guys. At least if you’re putting the ball in play some will turn into outs and you’ll find some luck. That’s literally impossible when Chatwood comes in and walks 4 straight.
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Do you watch the games? If you do then you see the bullpen blow game after game after game, stats are irrelevant. Where do they rank in losses and blown saves? Do you watch every team play? How else do you use the ole eye test to claim they are the worst in baseball? Maybe you could use the ole eye test to know there are plenty of avenues to voice or pile on your disgruntled view on the bullpens performance. A new thread for this is a bad as our bullpen.
Laika Community Moderator Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Do you watch the games? If you do then you see the bullpen blow game after game after game, stats are irrelevant. Where do they rank in losses and blown saves? Do you read?
InvincibleTiger Verified Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 And yet, still trotting the same guys out there. Status quo. Not even trying to bring in reinforcements from AAA.
43211234 Verified Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Mike Wilner's brain needs to be studied by the world's top neuroscientists. It's just plain bizarre that he still spins everything despite not working for Rogers anymore
bronson44 Verified Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Mike Wilner's brain needs to be studied by the world's top neuroscientists. It's just plain bizarre that he still spins everything despite not working for Rogers anymore He just likes to paint everyone as an overreacting casual so he can come off as the voice of reason.
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 He just likes to paint everyone as an overreacting casual so he can come off as the voice of reason. This is accurate, but I will say that more often then not, he uses facts and is generally correct. That said, in this case, I'll say I think he's a little off base.
Laika Community Moderator Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Bullpen reinforcements ARE on the way. Just a matter of time. Hatch and Murphy are currently rehabbing Bergen, Borucki, Cole, and Merryweather are on the IL but not out for the season (yet...) Pearson may become a pen option at some point But don't expect some random AAA guys like Hobie Harris or Bryan Baker to come up and make any difference.
Scion Verified Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 On the season: By WAR - 19th By ERA - 10th By K rate - 14th By average velocity - 17th Since May 15th By WAR - 28th (minus 0.5!) By ERA - 24th By K rate - 13th By average velocity - 9th I'm very surprised the numbers since May 15th aren't worse. I just assumed we would be last in both WAR and ERA because of how bad the bullpen has looked in that time.
JuniorFelix54 Verified Member Posted June 16, 2021 Author Posted June 16, 2021 I'm very surprised the numbers since May 15th aren't worse. I just assumed we would be last in both WAR and ERA because of how bad the bullpen has looked in that time. For the teams that are supposed to be playoff contenders I'm sure they are. The Pirates, Rockies, Orioles, etc. might be worse but it's irrelevant they are 50-60 win teams regardless. The Jays are going to miss the playoffs simply because what this bullpen has done over the past month. It's not realistic to think they will overcome 8-10 losses that should have been wins in that short time.
JuniorFelix54 Verified Member Posted June 16, 2021 Author Posted June 16, 2021 Bullpen reinforcements ARE on the way. Just a matter of time. Hatch and Murphy are currently rehabbing - WHO? Bergen, Borucki, Cole, and Merryweather are on the IL but not out for the season (yet...) MERRYWEATHER WAS THE ONE GUY THAT LOOKED LIKE HE COULD BE GREAT AND OF COURSE HE GETS HURT AFTER 3 GAMES, THOSE OTHER 3 AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE MUCH OF ANYTHING Pearson may become a pen option at some point - LMAO, THIS GUY SUCKS... I DON'T CARE WHAT HE DOES IN TRIPLE A OR IF HE THROWS 100 HE PITCHES LIKE CRAP EVERY TIME THEY BRING HIM UP But don't expect some random AAA guys like Hobie Harris or Bryan Baker to come up and make any difference. See above
Laika Community Moderator Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 See above Alright, so you're a f***ing moron. Moving on...
connorp Old-Timey Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 I'm very surprised the numbers since May 15th aren't worse. I just assumed we would be last in both WAR and ERA because of how bad the bullpen has looked in that time. It’d be interesting to see it broken down further into high-leverage situations
JuniorFelix54 Verified Member Posted June 16, 2021 Author Posted June 16, 2021 Alright, so you're a f***ing moron. Moving on... Is that how this site works, the moderators can toss out personal insults at will and face no repercussions while if a regular member does it I get a ban?
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 For the teams that are supposed to be playoff contenders I'm sure they are. The Pirates, Rockies, Orioles, etc. might be worse but it's irrelevant they are 50-60 win teams regardless. The Jays are going to miss the playoffs simply because what this bullpen has done over the past month. It's not realistic to think they will overcome 8-10 losses that should have been wins in that short time. I don't believe anyone from the Jays FO said this was supposed to be a playoff year. I always got the impression that this was sort of a "bring everything together" kinda year and next year would be the start of the push... I mean, nobody realistically saw Vladdy going from slightly-above-average (below expectations) to "BEST f***ING PLAYER IN BASEBALL HOLY s***!", most assumed he'd approach this level, but that it would happen gradually.
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Is that how this site works, the moderators can toss out personal insults at will and face no repercussions while if a regular member does it I get a ban? I can't recall anyone being banned for insults as tame as "you're a f***ing moron". I certainly haven't banned anyone for anything like that...
JuniorFelix54 Verified Member Posted June 16, 2021 Author Posted June 16, 2021 I don't believe anyone from the Jays FO said this was supposed to be a playoff year. I always got the impression that this was sort of a "bring everything together" kinda year and next year would be the start of the push... I mean, nobody realistically saw Vladdy going from slightly-above-average (below expectations) to "BEST f***ING PLAYER IN BASEBALL HOLY s***!", most assumed he'd approach this level, but that it would happen gradually. Well I doubt they cam out and said that it wasn't. I'm not suggesting they were expected to win the division but certainly a wildcard spot was a goal. When you're handing out 6 year, 150 mil. contracts it's not to be a .500 team
connorp Old-Timey Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Well I doubt they cam out and said that it wasn't. I'm not suggesting they were expected to win the division but certainly a wildcard spot was a goal. When you're handing out 6 year, 150 mil. contracts it's not to be a .500 team Yeah Jays made playoffs last year, young core, and they spent on Springer and signed notable one year deals. Pretty silly to say they weren’t thinking playoffs this year
connorp Old-Timey Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Welp... How many times to you welp in a day? Grow some balls!
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 How many times to you welp in a day? Grow some balls! English much, baldilocks? Eat a dick or two, minion.
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Yeah Jays made playoffs last year, young core, and they spent on Springer and signed notable one year deals. Pretty silly to say they weren’t thinking playoffs this year Made the expanded playoffs. Made a decision to not spend on pitching when it was the obvious need... They were probably thinking "maybe the wildcard", but they weren't planning a parade.
Laika Community Moderator Posted June 17, 2021 Posted June 17, 2021 Is that how this site works, the moderators can toss out personal insults at will and face no repercussions while if a regular member does it I get a ban? If someone posts a moronic baseball opinion then you can call them a moron. We have a long and proud history of this. And yes, the mods all get special treatment. Other than Deadpool. He's on thin ice.
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