General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2021)

[King]

I'd be OK with either. Random draw could be a little bit more fun as the brackets would be unpredictable. Seeding would lead to a more accurate result. Edited August 26, 2021 by King

[BTS]

Seeding in this case could bias the outcome. Random all the way.

[P2F]

Holy f***, I'm putting this right here.

 

[King]

Seeding in this case could bias the outcome. Random all the way.

 

How do you think it could be conducted? I was thinking a survey monkey for the field of 64 and 32 and then maybe poll threads for the round of 16 and beyond. Was thinking too many threads would clutter the board. My only worry about survey monkey is some nerd vote spamming and ruining the results.

[John_Havok]

Holy f***, I'm putting this right here.

 

 

.4 fWAR from last night's start. Damn nice outing

[BCZ]

Bring back Stro! I miss his warm and lovable personality.

 

He had me at cutting his dogs ears off.

[Laika]

How do you think it could be conducted? I was thinking a survey monkey for the field of 64 and 32 and then maybe poll threads for the round of 16 and beyond. Was thinking too many threads would clutter the board. My only worry about survey monkey is some nerd vote spamming and ruining the results.

 

I don't think the integrity of the process is something you should really care about lol

[King]

I don't think the integrity of the process is something you should really care about lol

Damn.

[Scion]

He had me at cutting his dogs ears off.

 

Apparently there is a functional reason for cropping certain dog breeds ears.

 

https://www.canecorso.org/ear-cropping.html

[bronson44]

Was wondering why Borucki wasn't pitching in Buffalo. This is a smart move I think.

 

[Deadpool]

How do you think it could be conducted? I was thinking a survey monkey for the field of 64 and 32 and then maybe poll threads for the round of 16 and beyond. Was thinking too many threads would clutter the board. My only worry about survey monkey is some nerd vote spamming and ruining the results.

 

If we could get everyone in the BJMB discord (I know it's mostly for trading discussions...) we could vote that way and it would be a 1 person 1 vote thing... But it would probably get less engagement on there...

[Eat My Shatkins]

Super hypothetical here for the off-season, but if the Jays were able to land a stud like Correa in free agency, do you possibly look to flip Bo for a true ace?

 

For example, how cheap is Cleveland? Any way they'd move Bieber? They are a bloody pitching factory anyways.

 

If yes, do you have to add to Bo to get Bieber? How much do you add to get both Bieber and J.Ram?

 

Not that I want a shake up of the young core, but replacing a 23 year old Bo with a 26 year old Correa and then using Bo to land an actual ace starting pitcher wouldn't be the worst thing in the world would it?

[Laika]

Super hypothetical here for the off-season, but if the Jays were able to land a stud like Correa in free agency, do you possibly look to flip Bo for a true ace?

 

For example, how cheap is Cleveland? Any way they'd move Bieber? They are a bloody pitching factory anyways.

 

If yes, do you have to add to Bo to get Bieber? How much do you add to get both Bieber and J.Ram?

 

Not that I want a shake up of the young core, but replacing a 23 year old Bo with a 26 year old Correa and then using Bo to land an actual ace starting pitcher wouldn't be the worst thing in the world would it?

 

Overthinking it. Just sign a P.

 

Correa is ugly anyway.

 

But to answer the question I suppose Bieber for Bo is fair. I'd rather keep Bo though.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Overthinking it. Just sign a P.

 

Correa is ugly anyway.

 

But to answer the question I suppose Bieber for Bo is fair. I'd rather keep Bo though.

 

Fair enough, but I don't think there is a legit "ace" type SP on the market in free agency. Not a guy like Bieber anyways.

 

But yeah, definitely over thinking it I guess.

 

I'm just hoping the Jays go hard after Correa, but difficult to get a premier SS to sign long term with the Jays when Bo is already taking that spot.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Jays need to go 24-12 to get 90 wins

 

For Boston to end up with 89 wins they need to go 17-17 (soon to be 16-17 as they are kicking the s*** out of the Twins)

For Oakland to end up with 89 wins they need to go 19-16

For Seattle to end up with 89 wins they need to go 20-15

[Daniel Labude]

 

Need more consistent production from these 2, but its funny how 1 gets all the attention

[WryNGinger]

Is there a concensus regarding what type of pitchers Walker is best able to tweak/guide there way to better results. Obviously it worked out really well with Ray. What other pitchers might he be able to fix next year?

[Eat My Shatkins]

Not sure about starters but Andrew Miller will be a free agent and has had a rough year. He's 36 now, but was a beast for years. I wouldn't mind if the Jays tried to salvage him for a season. Just don't sign him and then bank on him being a key cog for the bullpen. If he comes in and regains his form it would just be a bonus.

[Spanky99]

As I said, yer dumn. And I'm not speaking of your baseball acumen.

 

Jim, did you just ATTACK me?! Wow!

[Jays24]

Is there a concensus regarding what type of pitchers Walker is best able to tweak/guide there way to better results. Obviously it worked out really well with Ray. What other pitchers might he be able to fix next year?

 

So do we always give Walker credit when someone does well and ignore the ones that suck? Ray being good probably had more to do with 2020 just being a weird year and him playing for the one huge contract that can set him up for life.

 

People are professionals and just say the right thing to make everyone look good. The fact we never hear anything bad about him is a great thing though. I just believe it's more on the players turning their careers around than it is on Walker who has some magic touch.

[max silver]

So do we always give Walker credit when someone does well and ignore the ones that suck? Ray being good probably had more to do with 2020 just being a weird year and him playing for the one huge contract that can set him up for life.

 

People are professionals and just say the right thing to make everyone look good. The fact we never hear anything bad about him is a great thing though. I just believe it's more on the players turning their careers around than it is on Walker who has some magic touch.

 

You have to give Walker at least some credit for Ray's turnaround. He was a complete disaster in 2020 before going the Jays, and under Walker's tutelage he was able to turn things around to the point where he pitched well in the playoffs. Ray is having a career best season with a remarkable improvement in his ability to throw strikes, surely the pitching coach who he made this turnaround under deserves a lot of credit.

 

There are several factors which seem to have led to Ray's awful 2020 season. He attempted to change his mechanics to more of a short arm motion and that failed miserably. One other thing I noticed was that his spin rates spiked up in 2020 compared to other years. Could this be as a result of the new mechanics or was he utilizing some sort of grip enhancing substance that season?

[P2F]

So do we always give Walker credit when someone does well and ignore the ones that suck? Ray being good probably had more to do with 2020 just being a weird year and him playing for the one huge contract that can set him up for life.

 

People are professionals and just say the right thing to make everyone look good. The fact we never hear anything bad about him is a great thing though. I just believe it's more on the players turning their careers around than it is on Walker who has some magic touch.

 

Robbie Ray had a career 4.28 BB/9 going into this season. This season - Ray's first full season with the Jays - his walk rate is down to a career-best 2.25 BB/9 and he's enjoying the best season of his career. Swinging strikes, ERA, FIP, xFIP, SIERA are all at career bests this season, and he's also going to have his best season by WAR.

 

You're really not willing to give any credit to Walker for this?

[Jays24]

You have to give Walker at least some credit for Ray's turnaround. He was a complete disaster in 2020 before going the Jays, and under Walker's tutelage he was able to turn things around to the point where he pitched well in the playoffs. Ray is having a career best season with a remarkable improvement in his ability to throw strikes, surely the pitching coach who he made this turnaround under deserves a lot of credit.

 

There are several factors which seem to have led to Ray's awful 2020 season. He attempted to change his mechanics to more of a short arm motion and that failed miserably. One other thing I noticed was that his spin rates spiked up in 2020 compared to other years. Could this be as a result of the new mechanics or was he utilizing some sort of grip enhancing substance that season?

 

Should we give the hitting coach credit for Semien or just chalk that up to 2020 being an outlier season?

 

I understand your point and I'm sure Walker does do good work since you never hear a bad word about him. I'm just saying why don't we hear anything about him when our bullpen has been trash the entire year or when the likes of Anderson/Roark/Garcia s*** the bed.

 

Other than Manoah/Romano, who is the last Jays pitcher that we truly developed from the bottom to the top during Shapiro's tenure? Just playing devil's advocate here.

[Stangstag]

Jays need to go 24-12 to get 90 wins

 

For Boston to end up with 89 wins they need to go 17-17 (soon to be 16-17 as they are kicking the s*** out of the Twins)

For Oakland to end up with 89 wins they need to go 19-16

For Seattle to end up with 89 wins they need to go 20-15

 

RIP Jays 2021 season

[Jays24]

Robbie Ray had a career 4.28 BB/9 going into this season. This season - Ray's first full season with the Jays - his walk rate is down to a career-best 2.25 BB/9 and he's enjoying the best season of his career. Swinging strikes, ERA, FIP, xFIP, SIERA are all at career bests this season, and he's also going to have his best season by WAR.

 

You're really not willing to give any credit to Walker for this?

 

I am willing to give him credit just as long as you're willing to discredit him for when pitchers underperform as well. I've always been a strong believer that players are responsible for their performance and coaching at the MLB is more of just guiding and ego managing mostly.

[The Cats Ass]

I am willing to give him credit just as long as you're willing to discredit him for when pitchers underperform as well. I've always been a strong believer that players are responsible for their performance and coaching at the MLB is more of just guiding and ego managing mostly.

 

It's really situational. Sometimes the coaching staff does mess with a pitcher's approach and it has negative effects. Sometimes a pitcher goes to s*** on his own. Sometimes an pitcher improves on his own, sometimes it's because of the staff.

[RustyTrombone]

Season saved we picked up Jarrod Dyson

[Jays24]

Season saved we picked up Jarrod Dyson

 

It's great to actually have some real speed off the bench and I remember him being a good fielder. Not sure if that's the case anymore.

 

Wondering what happens with the bench once Springer comes back. Having 6 OFers on the roster seems unlikely.

[RustyTrombone]

It's great to actually have some real speed off the bench and I remember him being a good fielder. Not sure if that's the case anymore.

 

Wondering what happens with the bench once Springer comes back. Having 6 OFers on the roster seems unlikely.

 

I think hes just insurance incase Springer gets hurt again or cant play cf when he comes back. The teams starting to realize grichuk sucks mega donkey balls so wants to get as many options for cf rest of the way.

[The Cats Ass]

It's great to actually have some real speed off the bench and I remember him being a good fielder. Not sure if that's the case anymore.

 

Wondering what happens with the bench once Springer comes back. Having 6 OFers on the roster seems unlikely.

 

Stats say he's a plus plus fielder. Fangraphs has him ranked 21st for Defensive Runs Saved for all OFers. While having less innings played than a lot of the people ahead of him.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=of&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=10&type=1&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=13,d