How does this compare to 1987

[Olerud363]

This is perhaps irrational at this point. Let's assume Mariners win tonight it's still a 3 game lead with 9 to go...

 

Still it feels like 1987... let's compare

 

87 - 7 game losing streak.

87 - Did they turn it around? No. They couldn't. The season ended.

 

20 - 5 game losing streak.

20 - Did they turn it around? Unknown. 9 games left to find out.

 

Will they win another game? Unknown but perhaps unlikely. It feels like this is the curse of Charlie and the fake playoffs.

 

Will Seattle be happy to make the playoffs with 27 wins??

 

Ask them. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe Seattle wins the World Series. Or the Orioles. We will have to see.

[Olerud363]

Before this thread gets merged into 'Blue Jays 2020' or whatever, please consider this is a place for those who remember 87 to support the newbies who haven't gone through a collapse.

 

And of course it may be bat s*** crazy to think this is a collapse in progress. Like the Orioles are going make the playoffs 28-32?? I don't know. Is it possible for mods to pause the thread until which time they determine a collapse comparable to 1987 is happening, and then reactivate the thread, as comparisons of the two collapses will then be needed?

[Laika]

Before this thread gets merged into 'Blue Jays 2020' or whatever, please consider this is a place for those who remember 87 to support the newbies who haven't gone through a collapse.

 

And of course it may be bat s*** crazy to think this is a collapse in progress. Like the Orioles are going make the playoffs 28-32?? I don't know. Is it possible for mods to pause the thread until which time they determine a collapse comparable to 1987 is happening, and then reactivate the thread, as comparisons of the two collapses will then be needed?

 

I don’t think this thread needs any help going nowhere

[JFD]

I was 6 in 1987

[Stangstag]

I don’t think this thread needs any help going nowhere

 

Lol

[Jimcanuck]

Why the f*** bring up s*** that is best left buried and forgotten. My weekend is ruined.

[Olerud363]

I don’t think this thread needs any help going nowhere

 

It will be like the Vlad to Indy ball thread. Only Vlad keeps that thread alive.

 

The Blue Jays win tomorrow the thread won't gain traction.

[Olerud363]

At this point you have to think the Angels are the biggest threat. Looks like they might be the only ones to win tonight which would put them .5 behind the Mariners. Jays go 2-7, Angels need to go 6-2 I believe. How do they break they tie??

 

Does Trout sense the collapse? Does he smell opportunity?

[Olerud363]

It's like the X-Files

 

You can't spell Fisher without Fish

 

A Fish started the collapse

 

And opened the door for the Trout.

 

Scary.

[Dick_Pole]

Nothing at all like 1987. The sad 8th seed in an expanded playoff format in a year the Jays were expected to be fringe contenders is not nearly a big of a prize as division title heading straight to the ALCS. Also there is a much more recent example of 2016.

[connorp]

I was 8 and I think I just stated to like Jays. I’m trying to think of how many guys I can name without cheating.

 

C- Ernie W

1b- Rance Mulliniks? If that’s his name. Skinny white guy with glasses. Not sure if he was 1b actually

2b- Pat Tabler- that’s a wild guess

Ss- Tony F

3b- can’t remember

OF- Barfield, Bell of course, think Devon White was rookie 88’

 

SP- Stieb, Key,

RP- Henkie, Ward

 

Best I can do

[connorp]

I can’t believe I whiffed on Kelly Gruber in checking

[Olerud363]

Nothing at all like 1987. The sad 8th seed in an expanded playoff format in a year the Jays were expected to be fringe contenders is not nearly a big of a prize as division title heading straight to the ALCS. Also there is a much more recent example of 2016.

 

I can't believe how much I care about this playoff spot. It's completely irrational. In fact if you have to collapse every 30 years or so, the best time to collapse would be for a fake playoff spot with no fans. Minimizes revenue loss because of collapse.

 

The irrational part of me thinks if they collapse it will have long term effects on the franchise.

 

Saturday Morning October 1st 2016 sucked. Seemed it was an epic collapse and we were behind Orioles and Detroit and would only get 1 playoff spot from Donaldson/Bautista/EE.

 

Then they won 6 epic games in a row until Andrew Millar stopped them.

[connorp]

I rembered Moseby just not his name. I thought McGriff was rookie 88 and somehow I forgot Fielder

[Stangstag]

It's like the X-Files

 

You can't spell Fisher without Fish

 

A Fish started the collapse

 

And opened the door for the Trout.

 

Scary.

 

If the Jays missing the playoffs means the Angels somehow sneak in, I can live with it. Trout needs another chance in the postseason.

[Olerud363]

I rembered Moseby just not his name. I thought McGriff was rookie 88 and somehow I forgot Fielder

 

They platooned a bit. They had Mulliniks and Gruber at third I think, and McGriff and Fielder at DH.

 

McGriff and Cecil Fielder were a seriously awesome DH in 87.

[Dick_Pole]

That's a fun game to keep this thread on life support for a while

 

OF - Moseby, Bell, Barfield. That's the easy part. No idea who backed up

C - Whitt, Borders?

1B - Hmm guessing Upshaw I think McGriff came in '88

2B - Manny Lee, probably

SS - Fernandez

3B - Mulliniks/Iorg

DH - Cliff Johnson?

SP - Stieb/Clancy/Key/Doyle Alexander maybe/Jeff Musselman, the guy they traded for Mookie Wilson had one good year and I think this is it.

RP - Henke/Acker/Eichhorn. Pretty sure Ward came later

[connorp]

They platooned a bit. They had Mulliniks and Gruber at third I think, and McGriff and Fielder at DH.

 

McGriff and Cecil Fielder were a seriously awesome DH in 87.

 

Yeah now that I’m thinking about it I remember having McGriffs rookie card which was 1988 but that meant he usually played 87. I remember the 1987 Topps cards. Notable official rookie cards were Bonds and Big Mac (though Bonds had late 86’ edition)

[Olerud363]

That's a fun game to keep this thread on life support for a while

 

OF - Moseby, Bell, Barfield. That's the easy part. No idea who backed up

C - Whitt, Borders?

1B - Hmm guessing Upshaw I think McGriff came in '88

2B - Manny Lee, probably

SS - Fernandez

3B - Mulliniks/Iorg

DH - Cliff Johnson?

SP - Stieb/Clancy/Key/Doyle Alexander maybe/Jeff Musselman, the guy they traded for Mookie Wilson had one good year and I think this is it.

RP - Henke/Acker/Eichhorn. Pretty sure Ward came later

 

Really started following in 88, so my memory's from 87 are really from hearing them talk about it in '88. I remember Loyld Moseby was on the cover of Sports Illustrated October '88, except it probably sucked because the photo was taken a day or two before the 7 game losing streak started. They were probably eliminated when the issue came out.

 

Don't remember the issue on the stands in '87, but I bought a used copy a couple of years later.

[connorp]

That's a fun game to keep this thread on life support for a while

 

OF - Moseby, Bell, Barfield. That's the easy part. No idea who backed up

C - Whitt, Borders?

1B - Hmm guessing Upshaw I think McGriff came in '88

2B - Manny Lee, probably

SS - Fernandez

3B - Mulliniks/Iorg

DH - Cliff Johnson?

SP - Stieb/Clancy/Key/Doyle Alexander maybe/Jeff Musselman, the guy they traded for Mookie Wilson had one good year and I think this is it.

RP - Henke/Acker/Eichhorn. Pretty sure Ward came later

 

Yeah forgot Manny Lee. I was remembering what kind of player it was, light hitting dark guy but couldn’t remember name

[connorp]

I had no idea on SP other then Stieb and Key.. don’t even remember other guys after seeing them

[Olerud363]

In 87, it was one on one, Detroit was the enemy and they played head to head the final weekend.

 

In 2020 there are several enemies. Each unlikely to catch us, but if just one goes 6-2 we have to go 3-6. Can our beloved Blue Jays win 3 more games in their current configuration?

 

The contenders

 

Baltimore - well it would kind of suck if they get us -- is Orioles Hangout still operational?

Kansas City - similar to Baltimore, an annoying organization whos rebuild should be 2 years behind us atleast.

Detroit - WHAT IF HISTORY REPEATS AND IT IS DETROIT AGAIN JUST LIKE 87???

Seattle - Long playoff drought, if we collapse I'm OK with them getting in

Angels - same. It would be OK to see Trout in playoffs.

 

It is pretty amazing that 4/5 lose every night. On our side only 1/1 loses every night.

[Carlos Danger]

They platooned a bit. They had Mulliniks and Gruber at third I think, and McGriff and Fielder at DH.

 

McGriff and Cecil Fielder were a seriously awesome DH in 87.

 

I think it was Mulliniks and Iorg. Iorg was our last hope AB and got out.

[connorp]

Jimmy Key 5.6 WAR. Only struck out 5.5 per 9 but he was workhorse.

It’s ERA but 2.76 which I bet was really good considering that was one of the most infamous juiced ball years in history

[connorp]

Yeah ERa+ 164. Led league

[Deadpool]

This is perhaps irrational at this point. Let's assume Mariners win tonight it's still a 3 game lead with 9 to go...

 

Still it feels like 1987... let's compare

 

87 - 7 game losing streak.

87 - Did they turn it around? No. They couldn't. The season ended.

 

20 - 5 game losing streak.

20 - Did they turn it around? Unknown. 9 games left to find out.

 

Will they win another game? Unknown but perhaps unlikely. It feels like this is the curse of Charlie and the fake playoffs.

 

Will Seattle be happy to make the playoffs with 27 wins??

 

Ask them. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe Seattle wins the World Series. Or the Orioles. We will have to see.

 

In 1987 the Jays choked out of a playoff spot. In 2020 the Jays may choke out of "Everybody Gets a Trophy Day".

 

Not remotely comparable.

[saskjayfan]

I was 12 in 87. We had a very good Tigers team chasing us and we played them in the final games. This year we have a not so good Mariners team chasing us and there's no way we don't make the playoffs this year.

[Maine Jays]

We lost Tony an over-aggressive slide breaking up a double play. Then Ernie went down. Living in the states, I'd get up early every morning to watch the news before school for the score. Every time I'd be in a pissed off mood getting on the bus. That last weekend, the games were on national TV both saturday and sunday (10/3 and 10/4), so I was able to be tortured live. Key pitched a gem that last game but old Kirk hit that homer late and we lost 1-0. Doyle Alexander (who we had traded to the Braves the year prior for Duane Ward) killed us. Went like 10-0 after the trade deadline.

The worst part of all of it was knowing we could have beaten the Twins. The Cards I wasn't as certain, but I remember watching the Twins win in five, ripped that should have been us.

McGriff/Fielder were the DH, Gruber/Rance at 3B, Lee/Liriano at 2B. Plenty of platoons back then. Can't remember who platooned with Whitt. It wasn't Buck, who I believe retired in '86. Don't think Borders came up until '89, but I'm getting old.

[Olerud363]

In 1987 the Jays choked out of a playoff spot. In 2020 the Jays may choke out of "Everybody Gets a Trophy Day".

 

Not remotely comparable.

 

I agree. At the same time I can't believe how much I want to get the fake playoff spot, and how annoyed I am with these losses. It makes no sense. I guess getting the participation trophy feels like a required step on the road to the awesome 2021-2025 team... and not getting the fake playoff spot, would end the season on a down note with all kinds of questions.

[Olerud363]

I was 12 in 87. We had a very good Tigers team chasing us and we played them in the final games. This year we have a not so good Mariners team chasing us and there's no way we don't make the playoffs this year.

 

I think the Angels are the real threat. Trout, Rendon, Dylan Bundy, Ohtani. Ohtani hasn't hit but what if he does next week??

 

We play the Orioles in the final games. They just have to gain 1.5 for the final 3 to be relevant.

 

With 5 hungry (or not so hungry) teams chasing us there are many scenarios for disaster, unless we win 3 more games.

 

Can this team win 3 more games?