Fire Charlie Montoyo - The thread worked guys!

[Terminator]

[JFD]

 

[The Little General]

Gotta chuck Chuck and his gang now. Keep Pete though. Chuck thoroughly outmanaged last night…seems like he forgot about pinch hitter and Goldschmidt on deck. Daycare dugout gotta tone it down..…Teo hitting 0.150 and having a ball!! Time to grow up boys. Firing Chuck and crew might shock the daycare into reality.

[The Cats Ass]

Fire Montoyo promote Schneider. We're a quarter way through the year, and Montoyo is still making multiple terrible decisions a game. Why pinch hit Tapia for Zimmer instead of Jansen.

 

Bring on John Schneider. He's been groomed enough. Already won championships managing the Vancouver Canadians (2011), Dunedin Blue Jays (2017) and NH Fishercats (2018).

[Stangstag]

 

Well there it is folks. Buck Showalter 2.0

 

Also, Romano was brought in for a save situation in that Houston game. So Charlie can’t even remember what’s happening with his own team.

[The Iceman]

This game was lost IMO when they pulled merryweather after a 7 pitch inning.

 

If you are down a guy or 2 in the pen manage with your brain and not the speadsheet.

[Stangstag]

This game was lost IMO when they pulled merryweather after a 7 pitch inning.

 

If you are down a guy or 2 in the pen manage with your brain and not the speadsheet.

 

Merryweather sucks and almost lost them the game in the 9th

[wilko]

Merryweather sucks and almost lost them the game in the 9th

 

Don't worry he's almost at 14IP. He'll be on the IL soon.

[EZe]

What's it going to take to can this guy??

 

 

I believe this will happen once Vladdy requests a manager change and he will eventually.

Just unfortunate to spin our wheels in the meantime. It’s proof of Atkins beta mindset. Won’t make the right decision himself.

[wilko]

I believe this will happen once Vladdy requests a manager change and he will eventually.

Just unfortunate to spin our wheels in the meantime. It’s proof of Atkins beta mindset. Won’t make the right decision himself.

 

Are you saying Atkins is a cuck?

[Omar]

Jordan Romano right now..

 

[Deadpool]

 

I sincerely hope none of our members do this, but if you do... f***ING STOP THAT s*** RIGHT THE f*** NOW HOLY s***.

[Krusty]

 

I sincerely hope none of our members do this, but if you do... f***ING STOP THAT s*** RIGHT THE f*** NOW HOLY s***.

 

f***ing pathetic to whoever is doing this I agree. I've never understood when it comes to sports where supposed 'fans' get carried away with attacking or going after players, coaches, etc. We all want the team to succeed but when you do this you just come across as a f***ing loser and dickbag. Its a sport not life. And I guarantee you none of them would say it to their faces, love the anonymity of the internet.

[Stangstag]

f***ing pathetic to whoever is doing this I agree. I've never understood when it comes to sports where supposed 'fans' get carried away with attacking or going after players, coaches, etc. We all want the team to succeed but when you do this you just come across as a f***ing loser and dickbag. Its a sport not life. And I guarantee you none of them would say it to their faces, love the anonymity of the internet.

 

People that go after the wife/kids/relatives are mentally unhinged. Idk why anyone would ever do that.

 

Also death threats are crazy. Its a f***ing sport relax people.

 

We complain about Charlie and i’d be happy if he was fired, but I don’t wish anything bad on the guy. I just think he’s out of his depth in his current role.

[max silver]

People that go after the wife/kids/relatives are mentally unhinged. Idk why anyone would ever do that.

 

Also death threats are crazy. Its a f***ing sport relax people.

 

We complain about Charlie and i’d be happy if he was fired, but I don’t wish anything bad on the guy. I just think he’s out of his depth in his current role.

 

This is just an indication of how toxic the internet has become over time where it's become more and more common for the crazy fringe of society to terrorize innocent victims without the fear of repercussions.

[JFD]

Montoyo can work at MrBeasts new chocolate factory after the Jays fire him. Edited May 31, 2022 by JFD

[Terminator]

I think I'm jumping off the fire Charlie bandwagon and am firmly back on the extend Charlie train. The dude just knows what levers to pull and when. 7 wins in a row and it feels like we might never lose again.

[Stangstag]

I think I'm jumping off the fire Charlie bandwagon and am firmly back on the extend Charlie train. The dude just knows what levers to pull and when. 7 wins in a row and it feels like we might never lose again.

 

Huh

 

Pulling Stripling for Phelps after a ground ball single that barely got through almost backfired spectacularly. Strip was f***in cruising.

 

Almost lost that Sunday Angels game because he used Borucki instead of Strip and left him in way too long.

 

Almost broke Romano (or did he break him?)

[InsideThePark]

2 game of both Kirk and Jansen being in there back to back and 7 wins might do that to you.

 

Just wait until Jansen plays 3 of the next 6 games and Kirk only plays 4 of them while Tapia plays 5, Biggio 4 and Zimmer 2 and the tune will change. Or maybe we'll win all 6 and it won't matter.

[Stangstag]

2 game of both Kirk and Jansen being in there back to back and 7 wins might do that to you.

 

Just wait until Jansen plays 3 of the next 6 games and Kirk only plays 4 of them while Tapia plays 5, Biggio 4 and Zimmer 2 and the tune will change. Or maybe we'll win all 6 and it won't matter.

 

Gotta wonder how many wins were left on the table by not playing Kirk at DH more often.

 

Think back to the games with Heineman catching and Collins DHing, or Collins catching with Kirk on the bench.

 

Frustrating but at least Kirk is hot right now so he’s harder to bench.

[Olerud363]

Huh

 

Pulling Stripling for Phelps after a ground ball single that barely got through almost backfired spectacularly. Strip was f***in cruising.

 

Almost lost that Sunday Angels game because he used Borucki instead of Strip and left him in way too long.

 

Almost broke Romano (or did he break him?)

 

Stripling was on 2 days rest and Phelps is about as good a reliever... no one would or should pitch Stripling much farther in that situation.

 

The other game he put Borucki in in the 3rd inning... he had 6 innings to cover and had to do it somehow, Stripling pitched the night before (albeit only 3 pitches) and probably still wasn't going to go much more than 2 innings.

[Laika]

Gotta wonder how many wins were left on the table by not playing Kirk at DH more often.

 

Think back to the games with Heineman catching and Collins DHing, or Collins catching with Kirk on the bench.

 

Frustrating but at least Kirk is hot right now so he’s harder to bench.

 

Probably none? Jansen was hurt for most of that period, Kirk was swinging a pool noodle. Heineman was miraculously mediocre for his few games. And didn't Collins kind of win Toronto a game or two with beeeeg klutch hits?

[HERPDERP]

I was surprised someone was able to unfurl that banner - look at the banner to the right where Jansen's homer landed

https://mlb-cuts-diamond.mlb.com/FORGE/2022/2022-06/01/a5c925ad-038bbefb-b46e92d4-csvm-diamondx64-asset_1280x720_59_4000K.mp4

[max silver]

Probably none? Jansen was hurt for most of that period, Kirk was swinging a pool noodle. Heineman was miraculously mediocre for his few games. And didn't Collins kind of win Toronto a game or two with beeeeg klutch hits?

 

Exactly this. Kirk didn't really heat up with the bat until the last two weeks or so. For the first two weeks of May he only produced a 99 WRC+. As Kirk has heated up Jansen has cooled off a bit, so the net effect of having both in the lineup would have been mitigated a bit. Since May 15 Kirk has been on fire with a 225 WRC+, where Jansen has produced a still good but much lower 116 WRC+. Other guys that have found themselves in the lineup, either as a direct result of being DH that day, or because Springer sees a lot of time at DH have recently been performing nicely as well. Springer has produced a 153 WRC+, and the backup outfielders who tend to play when he is DH have done well also, with Tapia having a 127 WRC+ and Zimmer with a 146 WRC+.

[Omar]

I was surprised someone was able to unfurl that banner - look at the banner to the right where Jansen's homer landed

https://mlb-cuts-diamond.mlb.com/FORGE/2022/2022-06/01/a5c925ad-038bbefb-b46e92d4-csvm-diamondx64-asset_1280x720_59_4000K.mp4

 

Schneider 4 Skipper;)

[Stangstag]

Exactly this. Kirk didn't really heat up with the bat until the last two weeks or so. For the first two weeks of May he only produced a 99 WRC+. As Kirk has heated up Jansen has cooled off a bit, so the net effect of having both in the lineup would have been mitigated a bit. Since May 15 Kirk has been on fire with a 225 WRC+, where Jansen has produced a still good but much lower 116 WRC+. Other guys that have found themselves in the lineup, either as a direct result of being DH that day, or because Springer sees a lot of time at DH have recently been performing nicely as well. Springer has produced a 153 WRC+, and the backup outfielders who tend to play when he is DH have done well also, with Tapia having a 127 WRC+ and Zimmer with a 146 WRC+.

 

Yeah my point is that if Kirk had more at bats earlier he probably gets locked in/heats up sooner. If you disagree that’s fine.

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Yeah my point is that if Kirk had more at bats earlier he probably gets locked in/heats up sooner. If you disagree that’s fine.

 

This is kind of a chicken and egg scenario, do you give a player more plate appearances despite not producing very well, or do you start to reward a player with more playing time as a result of producing more at the plate? Kirk only received 62 plate appearances in April but it's kind of hard to make the claim that he deserved more playing time as he produced all of a 71 WRC+. He really wasn't squaring up baseballs with any type of frequency, and the bulk of his value offensively was derived from his exemplary K/BB numbers. As Kirk has started making harder contact in May conversely he's started to receive far more regular playing time, and now is fully deserving of this. For May he received 82 plate appearances, and as he's really heated up during the last few weeks he's started to see more pinch hit appearances and some DH time as well.

[Terminator]

Huh

 

Pulling Stripling for Phelps after a ground ball single that barely got through almost backfired spectacularly. Strip was f***in cruising.

 

Almost lost that Sunday Angels game because he used Borucki instead of Strip and left him in way too long.

 

Almost broke Romano (or did he break him?)

 

Almost, almost, almost....yet Mr. Montoyo got done by making the right decisions each time. Dude is playing 4D chess out there and you can't see it because you're playing checkers.

[keggy]

This is kind of a chicken and egg scenario, do you give a player more plate appearances despite not producing very well, or do you start to reward a player with more playing time as a result of producing more at the plate? Kirk only received 62 plate appearances in April but it's kind of hard to make the claim that he deserved more playing time as he produced all of a 71 WRC+. He really wasn't squaring up baseballs with any type of frequency, and the bulk of his value offensively was derived from his exemplary K/BB numbers. As Kirk has started making harder contact in May conversely he's started to receive far more regular playing time, and now is fully deserving of this. For May he received 82 plate appearances, and as he's really heated up during the last few weeks he's started to see more pinch hit appearances and some DH time as well.

 

Kirk deserves more PAs regardless of his hot streak.

 

Kirk has proven hitting talent which is reflected in his professional stats, scouting tools, and preseason projections. All of this information was available prior to a handful of April appearances, where Tapia and his .050 ISO was consistently given more PAs.

 

Obviously the front office has a very different valuation method for Kirk and Tapia, but quite frankly they're wrong.

[Terminator]

Kirk is 5'4'' and 310 pounds and he catches. I think some off days are probably a good idea for him.