Fire Charlie Montoyo - The thread worked guys!

[TwistedLogic]

Discuss.

[philly30]

The impact of managers is highly overrated

[Jonn]

He can manage the rest of this weird ass season. But if this manager isn’t replaced in the off-season the finger gets pointed at Shatkins.

[Krylian]

The impact of managers is highly overrated

 

Managers can create a loss far more easily than they can a win.

[Stangstag]

He almost lost us the first game too by leaving Dolis in.

[TheHurl]

Not that I'm thinking they should tank (they definitely should tank), has MLB set the 2021 draft format?

[TheHurl]

The impact of managers is highly overrated

 

Almost nil...but this happens with every team even with smart fans.

[saskjayfan]

Almost nil...but this happens with every team even with smart fans.

 

not something you can calculate....so if it's not on fangraphs it's a myth. I just saw a manager s*** the bed.

[TheHurl]

not something you can calculate....so if it's not on fangraphs it's a myth. I just saw a manager s*** the bed.

 

So Kevin Cash won that game? NIL.

[Deadpool]

He doesn't appear to use his pitching staff very effectively, that's for sure. Got too quick a hook in some cases, which leaves him stuck in others. There was no need at all to use 8 pitchers today.

[Slade]

Can we really pin this one on Montoyo? The bullpen management was bad but Giles pitch well before getting hurt.

 

 

Oof. The pen just got a lot worse.

[BTS]

His elite closer s*** the bed today, and he had no good arms left in the pen for the 10th inning. I'm not a fan of Montoyo's, but this is a weird time for this thread.

[Deadpool]

His elite closer s*** the bed today, and he had no good arms left in the pen for the 10th inning. I'm not a fan of Montoyo's, but this is a weird time for this thread.

 

I'm more concerned with his pitcher use BEFORE Giles than I was with how he cobbled together the remainders afterwards...

[bones10]

Can we really pin this one on Montoyo? The bullpen management was bad but Giles pitch well before getting hurt.

 

 

Oof. The pen just got a lot worse.

 

I mean he literally let Giles throw, what, 8-10 more pitches than he should have?

[saskjayfan]

So Kevin Cash won that game? NIL.

 

Ken Giles leaves the game one or two batters earlier it's a jays win. Not NIL. Giles might end up having tommy john due to his incompetence. NOT NIL.

[BlueRocky]

They should’ve took out Giles during the first mound visit.

[Orgfiller]

I'm more concerned with his pitcher use BEFORE Giles than I was with how he cobbled together the remainders afterwards...

 

You realize the nice thing about only letting Romano throw 10 pitches is that he'll be available for the next game right? Could you imagine not even having him available if he goes out for a second inning?

[bones10]

You realize the nice thing about only letting Romano throw 10 pitches is that he'll be available for the next game right? Could you imagine not even having him available if he goes out for a second inning?

 

Will he though? Why wasn't Cole used instead of Yammaguchi today then

[saskjayfan]

His elite closer s*** the bed today, and he had no good arms left in the pen for the 10th inning. I'm not a fan of Montoyo's, but this is a weird time for this thread.

 

There's no way Gibby a former catcher leaves Giles in that long. His velocity was way off and he wasn't even close to the strike zone with his fastball.

[BlueRocky]

It’s a weird season. Now Verlander is injured.

Pitchers simply don’t ramp up in 2.5 weeks after sitting for 3 months, that’s not how it works.

[Rockhaus]

Why can’t these guys go back to back games? They only had 5 months to get ready! Asking seriously? What’s the deal?

[Deadpool]

You realize the nice thing about only letting Romano throw 10 pitches is that he'll be available for the next game right? Could you imagine not even having him available if he goes out for a second inning?

 

Not just him though... Hatch and Kay could both have gone longer, he artificially created a need to use 3 pitchers to bridge to Giles. He also used his 4 "highest leverage" pitchers in 2 out of 3 games. With a 4 run lead he didn't need Romano/Bass/Dolis as the guys right there.

 

I was okay with the Hatch to Kay move at the time, but I fully expected Kay to go 5+ innings when that move was made.

[Stangstag]

You realize the nice thing about only letting Romano throw 10 pitches is that he'll be available for the next game right? Could you imagine not even having him available if he goes out for a second inning?

 

I’d rather have secured the win today. These games against Tampa (and NY) are much more important

[Slade]

Not just him though... Hatch and Kay could both have gone longer, he artificially created a need to use 3 pitchers to bridge to Giles. He also used his 4 "highest leverage" pitchers in 2 out of 3 games. With a 4 run lead he didn't need Romano/Bass/Dolis as the guys right there.

 

I was okay with the Hatch to Kay move at the time, but I fully expected Kay to go 5+ innings when that move was made.

 

Yep 100% agree, there was no need to take Kay out to get those arms.

[JFD]

He can lead us to another top 5 pick first

[King]

 

Fire this man

[Captain Adama]

No s*** a closer is going to say he's fine. Jesus f*** man, you're a major league manager, you should know the symptoms when a pitcher is hurting.

[Jonn]

 

Fire this man

 

Wow that’s even worse response than I was expecting. I thought he was going to atleast take some accountability. Awful... just awful.

[Spanky99]

 

Fire this man

 

lol

[P2F]

No s*** a closer is going to say he's fine. Jesus f*** man, you're a major league manager, you should know the symptoms when a pitcher is hurting.

 

Yeah, I guess the low velocity, lack of command, and obvious signs of discomfort weren't enough to make that call. This is a staggering level of incompetence exhibited by Montoyo here.