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[Abomination]

The players rejected expanded playoffs and an extra 57 mil because they were worried the owners would have get almost triple that amount from TV revenues. Somewhere a wise man is thinking, you mean the owners would have more money to pay free agents next year? The players were just lead by a bunch of old stubborn pricks who already had their big free agent contracts. Bauer, Stro, Odorizzi, Paxton, betts and all the rest of the pending free agents must be a little bit pissed at this decision. Min salary guys could have potentially more than doubled their earnings if they made the playoffs. I'm sure they aren't happy either.

 

Maybe not Bauer so much for the big FA contract. He wants to go year-to-year anyway.

[BlueRocky]

Multiple Jays tested positive today

 

[saskjayfan]

Maybe not Bauer so much for the big FA contract. He wants to go year-to-year anyway.

 

wasn't aware of that, but it wouldn't surprise me. Bauer is a different duck.

[Terminator]

If it breaks down like this the Jays will play 47 of their 60 games against teams that finished 0.500 or better in 2019 and that project to finish over 0.500 in 2020.

 

That's brutal but anything could happen in 60 games. So while I think the tough schedule definitely hurts our WC chances, all these division games increase our odds for the division.

[Slade]

 

 

That's probably the safest bet for our players but not sure I want the government opening up to all these guys with higher risk of covid.

[saskjayfan]

I wasn't aware as a Canadian you can fly to the US and there isn't a mandatory quarantine period once you get there. There are only recommendations. I guess the Jays could play in Toronto if the government waived the mandatory quarantine period for people entering Canada. I highly doubt the government here will allow it.

[BlueRocky]

That's brutal but anything could happen in 60 games. So while I think the tough schedule definitely hurts our WC chances, all these division games increase our odds for the division.

 

It sucks as there’s no freebies, but in a way they very much get to decide their own fate with all these division games.

[TheHurl]

New issues as New York is putting restrictions on people who have been in high risk states

[Brownie19]

I have a question about liability and COVID.

 

Under 'normal' conditions, MLB and the teams have insurance to cover baseball related injuries and incidents. If someone gets seriously injured and they feel it was caused by the negligence of the league or team, they could sue. Take for instance, Justin Morneau and his concussion. If he felt as though the team didn't follow the proper concussion protocol, he could sue. If it was proven the team was negligent and didn't follow the proper protocol - would insurance still cover the cost of all the damages?

 

It's my understand you can't get insurance against COVID, so with the baseball season resuming, I would assume all players (and everyone involved) will have to sign a waiver form holding the league and the team harmless if someone was to get COVID. However, if someone where to get COVID and get really sick, or die and they believe it was because people weren't following the proper protocol - I would assume they will sue. If successful, would the league/teams end up paying out big gobs of money? Or will the waivers be rather ironclad?

[saskjayfan]

I have a question about liability and COVID.

 

Under 'normal' conditions, MLB and the teams have insurance to cover baseball related injuries and incidents. If someone gets seriously injured and they feel it was caused by the negligence of the league or team, they could sue. Take for instance, Justin Morneau and his concussion. If he felt as though the team didn't follow the proper concussion protocol, he could sue. If it was proven the team was negligent and didn't follow the proper protocol - would insurance still cover the cost of all the damages?

 

It's my understand you can't get insurance against COVID, so with the baseball season resuming, I would assume all players (and everyone involved) will have to sign a waiver form holding the league and the team harmless if someone was to get COVID. However, if someone where to get COVID and get really sick, or die and they believe it was because people weren't following the proper protocol - I would assume they will sue. If successful, would the league/teams end up paying out big gobs of money? Or will the waivers be rather ironclad?

 

The players had to agree to health and safety protocols related to safety. That was what caused the delay between the season being implemented by the owners and agreed to by the players. I'm guessing those agreements are ironclad. They will pay high risk individuals their full salary and those players do not have to play.

[Brownie19]

The players had to agree to health and safety protocols related to safety. That was what caused the delay between the season being implemented by the owners and agreed to by the players. I'm guessing those agreements are ironclad. They will pay high risk individuals their full salary and those players do not have to play.

 

What if certain people or teams don't the protocols? I wonder if there's some understand that people won't follow all the protocols to the letter of the law and that by signing the waiver, you accept that.

 

I'm curious about this as I don't think most employers are asking staff to sign waivers and such. They may have protocols in place, but if people don't follow them and someone gets sick and dies - is the business at risk for not enforcing the protocols?

 

I'm also curious from a minor sports perspective. They have insurance to cover injures during play, but if the organization, coaches, etc. don't follow protocol (think concussions) and someone is seriously hurt - are they still 100% covered by insurance even if they are negligent?

 

Now with COVID, there will be call kinds of protocols put in place, but we all know it will be challenging to strictly follow them. Will the waivers protect the organization and coaches in the even someone is seriously ill or killed (will they even be able to link it back to the sporting event)? or will that breakdown and they will become personally liable it can be proven they didn't enforce protocols "enough"?

 

 

Perhaps this belongs in the OT thread, but I'd love to hear opinions/thoughts.

[Jimcanuck]

What if certain people or teams don't the protocols? I wonder if there's some understand that people won't follow all the protocols to the letter of the law and that by signing the waiver, you accept that.

 

I'm curious about this as I don't think most employers are asking staff to sign waivers and such. They may have protocols in place, but if people don't follow them and someone gets sick and dies - is the business at risk for not enforcing the protocols?

 

I'm also curious from a minor sports perspective. They have insurance to cover injures during play, but if the organization, coaches, etc. don't follow protocol (think concussions) and someone is seriously hurt - are they still 100% covered by insurance even if they are negligent?

 

Now with COVID, there will be call kinds of protocols put in place, but we all know it will be challenging to strictly follow them. Will the waivers protect the organization and coaches in the even someone is seriously ill or killed (will they even be able to link it back to the sporting event)? or will that breakdown and they will become personally liable it can be proven they didn't enforce protocols "enough"?

 

 

Perhaps this belongs in the OT thread, but I'd love to hear opinions/thoughts.

 

Ontario law says each workplace shall have a competent supervisor responsible for occupational health and safety. The supervisor's responsibility includes having reasonable operating procedures, etc in place such that OH&S requirements are met and employees are protected, and to take action if those procedures are not followed.

 

If an individual employee does not follow the procedures and is harmed as a result, employer would likely be liable if the supervisor was aware or ought to have been aware the procedures were not being followed and took no action.

 

A waiver (a form of Contract) will not override the law of the land, which I expect is why most employers do not have them.

[Brownie19]

Ontario law says each workplace shall have a competent supervisor responsible for occupational health and safety. The supervisor's responsibility includes having reasonable operating procedures, etc in place such that OH&S requirements are met and employees are protected, and to take action if those procedures are not followed.

 

If an individual employee does not follow the procedures and is harmed as a result, employer would likely be liable if the supervisor was aware or ought to have been aware the procedures were not being followed and took no action.

 

A waiver (a form of Contract) will not override the law of the land, which I expect is why most employers do not have them.

 

Would a waiver then work for youth sports and protect the organization, executive, coaches, etc?

[Jimcanuck]

Would a waiver then work for youth sports and protect the organization, executive, coaches, etc?

 

Not necessarily. The waiver would provide no protection for negligence. I don't think the OH&S legislation would apply to amateur sports, but could depend on the circumstances. Professional sports would be a workplace with employer - employee relationships and OH&S applies.

 

Law of the Land > Contract

[DigitalRock]

NFL had to suspend start of pre-season, and the Hall of fame ceremony, players are getting infected..I could see the season not going ahead (Hope that's not the case), the US is having another surge right now, they are as bad as they were in April. Edited June 25, 2020 by DigitalRock

[TheHurl]

Would a waiver then work for youth sports and protect the organization, executive, coaches, etc?

 

Quick answer is yes if you are following the set out protocols for your sport. As Jimbo mentioned not following protocols could fall under negligence and open the org up to a suit. If you go on any PSO's site you will find that sports return to play policies. I read Baseball Manitoba's this morning they are quite detailed

[Brownie19]

Quick answer is yes if you are following the set out protocols for your sport. As Jimbo mentioned not following protocols could fall under negligence and open the org up to a suit. If you go on any PSO's site you will find that sports return to play policies. I read Baseball Manitoba's this morning they are quite detailed

 

Right - so obviously there is risk there as it will be difficult to ensure all parties involved strictly adhere to the protocols.

 

That said, there's always risk involved. We have concussion protocols and if someone gets seriously hurt, we could get sued (whether or not the organizations/coaches are following the protocol or not). Is the difference simply that for concussions (in this case), the organization would be covered through insurance? Are they covered by insurance even if they aren't following the applicable protocols?

[Jimcanuck]

Right - so obviously there is risk there as it will be difficult to ensure all parties involved strictly adhere to the protocols.

 

That said, there's always risk involved. We have concussion protocols and if someone gets seriously hurt, we could get sued (whether or not the organizations/coaches are following the protocol or not). Is the difference simply that for concussions (in this case), the organization would be covered through insurance? Are they covered by insurance even if they aren't following the applicable protocols?

 

Responded to your PM. Every insurance policy has a 'cover my ass' paragraph. It's there for a good reason, if it wasn't, people would have less incentive to follow whatever protocols are in place.

[Bobthe4th]

 

Why take any precautions when your imaginary friend can protect you? Ignorant twat. Pisses me off so much - all the people who have died must just have not preyed enough according to his logic.

[saskjayfan]

 

Why take any precautions when your imaginary friend can protect you? Ignorant twat. Pisses me off so much - all the people who have died must just have not preyed enough according to his logic.

 

At what point does the owner step in and say Dusty, you're going to sit this one out. We'll pay you. You can work from home watch the games, consult with us, help us in any way possible, but we'll see you next year.

[Brownie19]

At what point does the owner step in and say Dusty, you're going to sit this one out. We'll pay you. You can work from home watch the games, consult with us, help us in any way possible, but we'll see you next year.

 

He hired Dusty Baker - I don't think we can rely on him to make good decisions like that.

[BlueRocky]

At what point does the owner step in and say Dusty, you're going to sit this one out. We'll pay you. You can work from home watch the games, consult with us, help us in any way possible, but we'll see you next year.

 

“Dusty, you’re gonna write the lineup cards at home.”

[BlueRocky]

[saskjayfan]

 

Toronto please!

[glory]

Man, the Jays playing in the Trop as a road team is bad enough. Thank goodness they said no to that option.

[Jimcanuck]

Wonder why Buffalo is not an option, or if not Buffalo, Columbus or Syracuse Triple A stadiums.

 

Maybe $$.

[BlueRocky]

Wonder why Buffalo is not an option, or if not Buffalo, Columbus or Syracuse Triple A stadiums.

 

Maybe $$.

[Spanky__99]

Blue Jays expect decision 'very soon' on where they'll play

 

Jun 26, 2020 , By IAN HARRISON

 

TORONTO (AP) Less than a week before Major League baseball teams resume training on July 1, the Toronto Blue Jays still haven’t been able to tell their players where to show up.

 

“Sometime over the weekend, we’ll get them on their way and tell them where to report,” Blue Jays president Mark Shapiro said on a conference call Friday. “We are obviously working on an accelerated time frame and we need to make a decision very soon.”

 

After spending weeks working on a “dual scenario” for their spring training site in Dunedin, Florida, and Rogers Centre in Toronto, a recent spike in coronavirus cases in Florida prompted the Blue Jays to petition the Canadian government to let players cross the closed U.S.-Canada border to safely prepare for the upcoming season.

 

“As the condition in Florida got worse and the spike happened ... we raised the possibility of conducting our training in Toronto,” Shapiro said. “It just seemed like that was a safer alternative.”

 

Shapiro said the Blue Jays did not consider playing in nearby Buffalo, New York, home of their Triple-A affiliate. He also said a prospective plan to share Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg, Florida, with the Rays was scrapped about three weeks ago. That plan would have required the Blue Jays to finance and build an additional locker room at Tampa Bay’s home stadium.

 

Buffalo could still host a taxi squad of Blue Jays players, Shapiro said.

 

Already high, health and safety concerns will be elevated further if the request to play in Toronto is denied and the Blue Jays end up in Dunedin.

 

“We’ll do so with diligence and attention to detail and do our best to keep players out of harm’s way,” Shapiro said.

 

Wherever the Blue Jays end up this season, there likely won’t be anyone in the stands.

 

“We do not expect to have fans, regardless of location,” Shapiro said.

 

Shapiro would not disclose details on any cases of coronavirus at the team’s spring training facility in Dunedin. All major league spring training sites were closed last week following an outbreak at the Philadelphia Phillies’ site in Clearwater, Florida, not far from Dunedin. Last Friday, the Blue Jays said a pitcher on their 40-man roster displayed symptoms of the virus.

 

Shapiro said the Blue Jays will continue paying their minor league players, even though they’re not currently able to play games.

 

“We’re committing to paying minor league players at the same rate through September 7,” he said.

 

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More AP MLB: https://apnews.com/MLB and https://twitter.com/AP-Sports

[Spanky__99]

Man, the Jays playing in the Trop as a road team is bad enough. Thank goodness they said no to that option.

 

Rays wanted the Jays to build and pay for their own clubhouse, lol.

[glory]

For the MLB to have approximately the same positive % as the NBA, they'd have to have around 95 players, give or take, test positive (out of 1800). The NBA figure is actually a lot lower than I was expecting, so maybe there's some hope with the MLB number as well.