BASEBALL IS BACk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Carlos Danger]

The only defence ever put forward of the owners is "they're the ones that take all the risk if something goes badly!" now something is going badly and they're trying to absolve themselves of that risk.

 

Seriously, *IF* baseball resumes, even without fans, there will be players who get Covid-19. WILL, not might. If I was a player, particularly one who already had millions in the bank, I'd be telling teams "thanks, but no thanks, I'll wait 'til next year."

 

I don't agree with this. If teams and personnel associated are screened and proper social distancing is put in place, why would a young "athlete" get COVID or if they did, suffer from it, unless they are someone like Trey Mancini..

 

Maybe it is because I work in an essential industry, and since day 1 we have had thousands of people going to work in factories/refineries in some cases and we have not had any deaths or grave illness of any of our employees globally so far. Yes, we had some initially who got COVID-19, but no fatalities or life altering sickness.

 

Why can our business and thousand of others continue, but baseball players cannot play baseball in an empty stadium with screened and limited personnel??

 

It is total BS and overstating, the risk to them IMO.

 

Play ball!!

[max silver]

The only defence ever put forward of the owners is "they're the ones that take all the risk if something goes badly!" now something is going badly and they're trying to absolve themselves of that risk.

 

Seriously, *IF* baseball resumes, even without fans, there will be players who get Covid-19. WILL, not might. If I was a player, particularly one who already had millions in the bank, I'd be telling teams "thanks, but no thanks, I'll wait 'til next year."

 

If the owners are legitimately better off financially not having a season vs paying players half their salaries with no fans in the seats, and the players don't feel like risking virus exposure is worth it for a further wage reduction, it's becoming difficult to see how the two sides are going to be able to compromise to allow any sort of season to proceed. But they seriously both need to grow up and stop negotiating through the media to garner public favor and get down to work on trying to rescue some sort of season if we are to have any hope of baseball in 2020.

[Dick_Pole]

If these dipshits don't get their house in order, forget about it, the MLB might never come back. It would set the precedent for cancelling the season in 2020 and there is no guarantee that the issues regarding health and fans won't still be a problem in 2021. Even if 90% of life otherwise has returned to normal. Then December 1, 2021 hits. Not everyone in charge of the MLB and PA can possibly be this stupid, can they?

 

Notice how I referred to the MLB, not baseball. I'm gearing for a return of the Federal League. Does Vince McMahon like baseball?

[glory]

If these dipshits don't get their house in order, forget about it, the MLB might never come back. It would set the precedent for cancelling the season in 2020 and there is no guarantee that the issues regarding health and fans won't still be a problem in 2021. Even if 90% of life otherwise has returned to normal. Then December 1, 2021 hits. Not everyone in charge of the MLB and PA can possibly be this stupid, can they?

 

Notice how I referred to the MLB, not baseball. I'm gearing for a return of the Federal League. Does Vince McMahon like baseball?

 

That's an interesting discussion. With the slow destruction of the minor leagues, and now MLB trying to kill itself, would a new baseball league run by people who actually know what they are doing actually work (be profitable) in North America? I don't know how it would work with TV rights, RSN, and stadiums, but dammit, having baseball without having to deal with Manfred, Clark, etc, would be damn appealing.

[Dick_Pole]

Mark Cuban and George Bush are two people who come to mind who might have enough sway to get it happening. Cuban on the business end, Bush more on the ambassador/political end.

 

Whatever people want to say about Vince McMahon, it took a load of balls to try to pull off what he did. Twice.

[connorp]

I don't agree with this. If teams and personnel associated are screened and proper social distancing is put in place, why would a young "athlete" get COVID or if they did, suffer from it, unless they are someone like Trey Mancini..

 

Maybe it is because I work in an essential industry, and since day 1 we have had thousands of people going to work in factories/refineries in some cases and we have not had any deaths or grave illness of any of our employees globally so far. Yes, we had some initially who got COVID-19, but no fatalities or life altering sickness.

 

Why can our business and thousand of others continue, but baseball players cannot play baseball in an empty stadium with screened and limited personnel??

 

It is total BS and overstating, the risk to them IMO.

 

Play ball!!

 

Agreed. While he’s right I’m sure some players will get it, just like the NBA, the professional athletes will recover in short order. Even non-essential businesses are opening back up now. It’s a laughable position really

[glory]

Mark Cuban and George Bush are two people who come to mind who might have enough sway to get it happening. Cuban on the business end, Bush more on the ambassador/political end.

 

Whatever people want to say about Vince McMahon, it took a load of balls to try to pull off what he did. Twice.

 

Cuban has an ax to grind with MLB too since they wouldn't let him buy a team many years ago. He hated Selig, and hates Manfred as well. This would be the ultimate payback.

 

MLB is a $10b a year industry and that's with a fanbase that has an average age of 57 and a league that has practically no social media presence or marketing. A league run by smart business people who also know how to use social media to generate engagement and present a product that visually might actually appeal to younger people without fully alienating the older demo could work if stadiums and TV rights were not an issue. Even if the league's talent is watered down compared to MLB, if you market something properly, it won't make much of a difference. Tim Anderson in a hypothetical Mark Cuban run league with social media and marketing ability could easily be a bigger star than Mike Trout is today. That's how bad MLB is.

 

Damn, I wish this was actually happening. It's much better than hoping Manfred and Clark respectively grow a brain, which will never happen. Someone send a tweet to Mark Cuban.

[Ehjays]

Cuban has an ax to grind with MLB too since they wouldn't let him buy a team many years ago. He hated Selig, and hates Manfred as well. This would be the ultimate payback.

 

MLB is a $10b a year industry and that's with a fanbase that has an average age of 57 and a league that has practically no social media presence or marketing. A league run by smart business people who also know how to use social media to generate engagement and present a product that visually might actually appeal to younger people without fully alienating the older demo could work if stadiums and TV rights were not an issue. Even if the league's talent is watered down compared to MLB, if you market something properly, it won't make much of a difference. Tim Anderson in a hypothetical Mark Cuban run league with social media and marketing ability could easily be a bigger star than Mike Trout is today. That's how bad MLB is.

 

Damn, I wish this was actually happening. It's much better than hoping Manfred and Clark respectively grow a brain, which will never happen. Someone send a tweet to Mark Cuban.

 

 

If the season hinges on these two growing a brain, the season will not get one game played.....Sadly, I don't believe in this group of owners or players coming to agreement....too much greed.

[KevinGregg]

Does Vince McMahon like baseball?

 

sign me up for the XLB

[Beans]

I think it would be pretty much impossible to start a new league. People make more out of the antitrust exemption than it is, but it would play a factor with cities that have teams/want new teams (because the antitrust exemption means they can't sue MLB).

 

I don't know how they'd get around that, as I don't think there are enough cities in the US that don't already have an MLB team (or want an MLB team in future, in case the XLB folds) that could support a new-league ball club.

 

Plus I rather like the traditions and history of Major League Baseball.

[connorp]

It’s obviously not what you guys are talking about but I would imagine an independent baseball league (beyond what they have now) would pop up if they drastically reduce the farm system

[bendera3]

It’s obviously not what you guys are talking about but I would imagine an independent baseball league (beyond what they have now) would pop up if they drastically reduce the farm system

 

I could also see independent leagues merging and expanding. The Frontier league and the Cam-Am league have already merged for the upcoming season. It wouldn't surprised me if the Atlantic and Frontier leagues joined them in an effort to make more of an "unofficial" minor league. The towns that would lose their minor league teams would have the facilities already in place and I could see expanding these leagues there.

 

**edited to correct mistake

Edited May 24, 2020 by bendera3

[connorp]

I could also see independent leagues merging and expanding. The American Association and the Cam-Am league have already merged for the upcoming season. It wouldn't surprised me if the Atlantic and Frontier leagues joined them in an effort to make more of an "unofficial" minor league. The towns that would lose their minor league teams would have the facilities already in place and I could see expanding these leagues there.

 

Yeah I live in a smaller city they has a really nice rookie ball stadium and a really solid following. I doubt they’d just want to roll over

[bendera3]

Yeah I live in a smaller city they has a really nice rookie ball stadium and a really solid following. I doubt they’d just want to roll over

 

That's the thing! A lot of smaller teams have a lot of community support and it could really reinvigorate some of these indy leagues. I come from an area that is about 30 minutes from the Reading Phillies and about 20 minutes to the independent Lancaster Barnstormers and both teams have a solid support system it seems. Some of the AA/AAA teams may fold but the lower level teams I feel could really fit into the expansion of these leagues.

[Boxcar]

Cuban has an ax to grind with MLB too since they wouldn't let him buy a team many years ago. He hated Selig, and hates Manfred as well. This would be the ultimate payback.

 

MLB is a $10b a year industry and that's with a fanbase that has an average age of 57 and a league that has practically no social media presence or marketing. A league run by smart business people who also know how to use social media to generate engagement and present a product that visually might actually appeal to younger people without fully alienating the older demo could work if stadiums and TV rights were not an issue. Even if the league's talent is watered down compared to MLB, if you market something properly, it won't make much of a difference. Tim Anderson in a hypothetical Mark Cuban run league with social media and marketing ability could easily be a bigger star than Mike Trout is today. That's how bad MLB is.

 

Damn, I wish this was actually happening. It's much better than hoping Manfred and Clark respectively grow a brain, which will never happen. Someone send a tweet to Mark Cuban.

 

Rob Manfred should go on Shark Tank

[Jonn]

rob manfred should just go away

 

ffy.

[glory]

 

The NBA looks like it will come back in late July if all goes well, so MLB better be ready by July 1. That 2-3 week window where they are the only sport in town is better than nothing.

[Maahfaace]

I could also see independent leagues merging and expanding. The American Association and the Cam-Am league have already merged for the upcoming season. It wouldn't surprised me if the Atlantic and Frontier leagues joined them in an effort to make more of an "unofficial" minor league. The towns that would lose their minor league teams would have the facilities already in place and I could see expanding these leagues there.

 

Retraction of teams in minor leagues or even entire leagues folding is a more likely outcome. Their whole model for income is supported by gate revenue, which is unlikely to return to normalcy for years because of this pandemic.

[King]

I could also see independent leagues merging and expanding. The American Association and the Cam-Am league have already merged for the upcoming season. It wouldn't surprised me if the Atlantic and Frontier leagues joined them in an effort to make more of an "unofficial" minor league. The towns that would lose their minor league teams would have the facilities already in place and I could see expanding these leagues there.

Link?

[bendera3]

Link?

 

My apologizes it was the Cam-Am and Frontier leagues that merged.

 

https://ballparkdigest.com/2019/10/16/can-am-league-frontier-league-merger-announced/

[glory]

 

At least the NBA is coming back.

[BTS]

NHL is coming back

NBA is coming back

NFL never went anywhere

 

MLB is going to lose their entire season.

[Spanky__99]

NHL is coming back

NBA is coming back

NFL never went anywhere

 

MLB is going to lose their entire season.

 

Suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Brownie19]

NHL is coming back

NBA is coming back

NFL never went anywhere

 

MLB is going to lose their entire season.

 

What are the NBA and NHL doing in terms of salaries? Do they have agreements in place for playing with no fans? I guess it might be easier for them seeing as they played most of the regular season already...

 

Has the NFL addressed what will happen if fans can't return for games in September?

[glory]

NHL is coming back

NBA is coming back

NFL never went anywhere

 

MLB is going to lose their entire season.

 

I think MLB will eventually cave and have a season, but if I could picture any league not coming back in 2020 when it was feasible to do so, it would be MLB. Tone deafness is the calling card for both Manfred and Clark.

 

If MLB does not have a 2020 season because of finances, then they are in for a shock when a lot of fans find something else to do now and moving forward. As I mentioned before the 2020-2021 NBA season is likely going to run head to head with MLB's 2021 season until September, which is when the NFL starts. If that becomes a long term change for the NBA, and MLB decides to cut bait on 2020 (alienating a s*** ton of people in the process), then it might be a hole they can never climb out of.

[Spanky__99]

I think MLB will eventually cave and have a season, but if I could picture any league not coming back in 2020 when it was feasible to do so, it would be MLB. Tone deafness is the calling card for both Manfred and Clark.

 

If MLB does not have a 2020 season because of finances, then they are in for a shock when a lot of fans find something else to do now and moving forward. As I mentioned before the 2020-2021 NBA season is likely going to run head to head with MLB's 2021 season until September, which is when the NFL starts. If that becomes a long term change for the NBA, and MLB decides to cut bait on 2020 (alienating a s*** ton of people in the process), then it might be a hole they can never climb out of.

 

I knew this post was coming for the 50th time.

[glory]

 

 

Yeah, that's going to have to be tweaked.

Edited May 26, 2020 by glory

[Barkerfan23]

covid is putting struggling businesses out of businesses

 

looks like it might do that for Baseball too. Good luck generating interest after going away for a year we all know how 1994 worked out and this time there won't be a steroid filled home run chase

[Abomination]

Well, let's see here. 1/3 of MLB revenue is ticket sales. MLB is proposing 80 games (I think). So percentage-wise, you should be looking at players receiving 1/3 of their normal, full-season salary. Players have already received some of their 2020 pay in the deal struck before. IMO, the only real issue is the higher scaling percentage for highly-paid players. Players in the lower end are probably getting paid more in the deal.

[Spanky__99]

 

 

Yeah, that's going to have to be tweaked.

 

lol