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lol... yeah, Vlad unloaded a missile.

 

That was easy 400' if the garbage wall didn't get in the way.

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You guys think tercet still lurks ?

 

I'm pretty sure he is always lurking ...into Women's windows trying to get a peek at what he has been missing all his life.

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Oh it's a developmental year. No point in trying to win, then.

 

Puig is almost a 2 win upgrade on Hernandez lol, not sure how that's marginal.

 

There's a lot wrong in here but I think that will suffice.

 

I guess I just don't agree with the projections for Teoscar vs. Puig. Initially I missed the fact that the fangraphs depth chart projections for Puig were only for 86 games vs 125 for Teoscar, my bad there. To my eye Teoscar showed real improvements both in the field and with the bat last year, and I just don't see why he should project so low for 2020. I guess the projection systems don't think his improvements were sustainable. I saw a player in 2019 that was getting better, I just don't see why he projects to get worse going forward. When I look at Puig's numbers I see a lot of red flags that suggest he's going backwards in a lot of key categories, his plate discipline numbers are declining, and his walk and k-rates are also getting worse over time, not just a one year dip but something that's been happening over several seasons. His BABIP wasn't overly low, and WOBA and xWOBA are within a few points of each other, so to my (admittedly untrained) eye this suggest that his bat going forward very well could be only league average. Maybe he outperforms his 1.2 WAR in 2019, but I wouldn't be willing to bet money on that. With the off the field and on the field issues that have plagued Puig I guess I just don't think the upside outweighs the drawbacks.

 

This seems to be an unpopular opinion but it just looks like to me that Teoscar and Puig are very likely to put up similar value on the field. But one guy hasn't even hit arbitration yet and gets paid peanuts, and the other guy is a free agent that will get paid real dollars. One guy seems to be liked by his teammates (although the sunflower seed thing would be annoying as f***) and hasn't caused any issues that we know of, and the other guy wore out his welcome with the Dodgers.

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I guess I just don't agree with the projections for Teoscar vs. Puig. Initially I missed the fact that the fangraphs depth chart projections for Puig were only for 86 games vs 125 for Teoscar, my bad there. To my eye Teoscar showed real improvements both in the field and with the bat last year, and I just don't see why he should project so low for 2020. I guess the projection systems don't think his improvements were sustainable. I saw a player in 2019 that was getting better, I just don't see why he projects to get worse going forward. When I look at Puig's numbers I see a lot of red flags that suggest he's going backwards in a lot of key categories, his plate discipline numbers are declining, and his walk and k-rates are also getting worse over time, not just a one year dip but something that's been happening over several seasons. His BABIP wasn't overly low, and WOBA and xWOBA are within a few points of each other, so to my (admittedly untrained) eye this suggest that his bat going forward very well could be only league average. Maybe he outperforms his 1.2 WAR in 2019, but I wouldn't be willing to bet money on that. With the off the field and on the field issues that have plagued Puig I guess I just don't think the upside outweighs the drawbacks.

 

This seems to be an unpopular opinion but it just looks like to me that Teoscar and Puig are very likely to put up similar value on the field. But one guy hasn't even hit arbitration yet and gets paid peanuts, and the other guy is a free agent that will get paid real dollars. One guy seems to be liked by his teammates (although the sunflower seed thing would be annoying as f***) and hasn't caused any issues that we know of, and the other guy wore out his welcome with the Dodgers.

 

This argument is moot because we can accommodate both Puig and Teo in the lineup. Puig in RF, Teo at DH (primarily). Signing Puig boots Alford and/or Tellez off the team.

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This argument is moot because we can accommodate both Puig and Teo in the lineup. Puig in RF, Teo at DH (primarily). Signing Puig boots Alford and/or Tellez off the team.

 

Alford is not a big league ball player (regardless of his athleticism). Puig and Tellez are a toss up as far as who brings what to your team. If Puig is a bad clubhouse influence why would you want him around young, impressionable players.

 

Better off bringing in guys like Panik.

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Alford is not a big league ball player (regardless of his athleticism). Puig and Tellez are a toss up as far as who brings what to your team. If Puig is a bad clubhouse influence why would you want him around young, impressionable players.

 

Better off bringing in guys like Panik.

 

What does Tellez bring that Puig doesn't?

 

Tellez can't run or play defense and projects (somehow) as a league average hitter. There's certainly a chance he blossoms and deserves the at bats, but there's a much strong possibility that Puig is far superior. Plus - it just lets us stash Tellez in AAA....he can force his way onto our roster in a number of ways if he breaks out (takes over at DH from Teo, Shaw doesn't rebound, injuries, etc.).

 

And why are we better off bringing in another version of Goins exactly?

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This argument is moot because we can accommodate both Puig and Teo in the lineup. Puig in RF, Teo at DH (primarily). Signing Puig boots Alford and/or Tellez off the team.

 

I just don't think the Jays are interested in lower end outfield upgrades this off-season. They've already passed on inexpensive guys like Pillar and Calhoun who would have upgraded the overall roster, but without the baggage that Puig brings. Rightly or wrongly they look committed to figuring out which guys in their glut of AAA and AAAA outfielders has a chance to turn into something. Could certainly be that none of Alford/Fisher/McKinney/Davis ever amount to even 4th outfielders though.

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I just don't think the Jays are interested in lower end outfield upgrades this off-season. They've already passed on inexpensive guys like Pillar and Calhoun who would have upgraded the overall roster, but without the baggage that Puig brings. Rightly or wrongly they look committed to figuring out which guys in their glut of AAA and AAAA outfielders has a chance to turn into something. Could certainly be that none of Alford/Fisher/McKinney/Davis ever amount to even 4th outfielders though.

 

Ah, the problem here seems to be that you believe Puig is much worse than he actually is.

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