Betts to the Dodgers

[Carlos Danger]

If I were the Red Sox I would say F$% Graterol and the Twins and just ask the Dodgers for Josiah Gray.. You have to wait a little longer but I think better in long run and don't need the Twins.. I would have asked for him in the first pace and kept the Twinkies out of it.

[Beans]

If I were the Red Sox I would say F$% Graterol and the Twins and just ask the Dodgers for Josiah Gray.. You have to wait a little longer but I think better in long run and don't need the Twins.. I would have asked for him in the first pace and kept the Twinkies out of it.

More than anything, they really just need to get under the luxury tax this year.

[Carlos Danger]

More than anything, they really just need to get under the luxury tax this year.

 

Same deal, just a SP and CF from Dodgers... No third Team for Red Sox.

[Beans]

Same deal, just a SP and CF from Dodgers... No third Team for Red Sox.

 

Oh, well, then yea. That might do it.

 

Imagine they can't work out a deal until next week, after the release of the commissioner's ruling on their 2018 cheating. It's expected to be a light punishment (because MLB couldn't find much evidence), but that would be the worst PR week possible for Boston

[FrozenRopes]

Not going to get Gray (I don't think) but the left handed Ortiz could be in play.

If I were the Red Sox I would say F$% Graterol and the Twins and just ask the Dodgers for Josiah Gray.. You have to wait a little longer but I think better in long run and don't need the Twins.. I would have asked for him in the first pace and kept the Twinkies out of it.

[Jimcanuck]

Latest, the last line supports the idea Boston used Graterol to get out of the original deal:

 

10:11AM: The Twins are indeed still involved in talks, though that doesn’t necessarily mean a three-team trade is happening, as Jon Heyman and The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal explain (both links to Twitter). The Twins “are working hard to satisfy [the] Dodgers and the Dodgers are working hard to satisfy [the] Red Sox, ” Rosenthal writes, but negotiations could result in two separate trades. One deal between the Dodgers and Red Sox would send Verdugo and prospects to Boston and Betts and Price to L.A., and another swap between the Dodgers and Twins would see Maeda go to Minnesota and Graterol possibly end up in Los Angeles. As Heyman notes, “non-Boston docs seem to have no big issue with Graterol [medicals],” so the Dodgers might be satisfied in accepting the young righty in exchange for Maeda.

[Pendleton]

I wonder if there's any chance we could stick our nose in and get Maeda at a discount price by eating some of Price's contract or something.

[Grant77]

Gotta feel for Graterol, who is being used as a pawn so Boston can back out of a trade that they already agreed to. It seems that multiple other teams have no issue with his health.

[glory]

Raiding the Rays front office probably sounded better in theory.

[Ray]

So the Dodgers basically swapped Verdugo for Betts, gave up a good IF prospect in Jeter Downs who would’ve been blocked anyways by Lux and Seager, got a not bad pitcher in Price for a reasonable salary, and got a Top 100 guy in Brusdar back for Maeda? Sounds like a total win for the Dodgers.

[BTS]

Trade is done. Lol at people thinking Bloom was surprised at the negative reaction and wanted to back out.

[Jimcanuck]

So the Dodgers basically swapped Verdugo for Betts, gave up a good IF prospect in Jeter Downs who would’ve been blocked anyways by Lux and Seager, got a not bad pitcher in Price for a reasonable salary, and got a Top 100 guy in Brusdar back for Maeda? Sounds like a total win for the Dodgers.

 

Conditional on medical reviews.

[Orgfiller]

 

The Twins got taken to the cleaners IMO. It already looked bad in my eyes that they were giving up Graterol for Maeda, but this really solidifies it. Why on earth did they need to add a pick on top of it?

[Pendleton]

 

The Twins got taken to the cleaners IMO. It already looked bad in my eyes that they were giving up Graterol for Maeda, but this really solidifies it. Why on earth did they need to add a pick on top of it?

 

I didn't realize Maeda had such a weird contract. He can provide a lot of surplus value at 3M per year.

[Carlos Danger]

I think Bloom did even better to get Downs instead of Graterol.

 

Yes, he did, very much so... He has to be #1 in their system now, way ahead of Casas and IMO worth more than Verdugo..

[Laika]

 

The Twins got taken to the cleaners IMO. It already looked bad in my eyes that they were giving up Graterol for Maeda, but this really solidifies it. Why on earth did they need to add a pick on top of it?

 

Apparently it's Graterol + the pick + an older platoon prospect for Maeda and $10M. The money probably means the Twins did slightly better than the original trade as I can't imagine the pick is worth more than $5M.

[glory]

So unless I'm missing something:

 

Dodgers: Betts, Price, Graterol, Raley, 67th pick in 2020 draft, $48m from Red Sox

Red Sox: Verdugo, Downs, Wong

Twins: Maeda, $10m from Dodgers, low level prospect

 

I also like the deal better for the Red Sox than the original since Graterol is likely a RP, but that actually works out for the Dodgers since they could use a potential high leverage RP (assuming Graterol is actually healthy) and Downs is redundant for them.

 

Dodgers made out really well here.

[Laika]

I still think the Red Sox f***ed up

 

David Price at half of his contract is probably what he would cost as a free agent. There should have been no absolute need to attach Betts to him, and possibly dampen the return for Betts in the process.

 

Mookie is not your normal star player - he's a total package superstar and likely the 2nd best player in baseball. I think this return for him lacks a certain type of upside. This isn't even obviously more than Goldschmidt fetched.

[Boxcar]

Yes, he did, very much so... He has to be #1 in their system now, way ahead of Casas and IMO worth more than Verdugo..

 

Worth more than Verdugo? How?

[TheHurl]

Yes, he did, very much so... He has to be #1 in their system now, way ahead of Casas and IMO worth more than Verdugo..

 

A little too much of a fantasy take IMO. And an overrating at that.

[Carlos Danger]

Worth more than Verdugo? How?

 

I value Downs upside higher than Verdugo and as franchise SS. If there were no money considerations involved, and the Red Sox could find any partner to trade Betts with for a young/prospect CF I think there are about 5, I might have chosen in front of Verdugo.. The Dodgers were the only team willing to take the salaries, not in their division and with decent prospects..

[TheHurl]

I value Downs upside higher than Verdugo and as franchise SS. If there were no money considerations involved, and the Red Sox could find any partner to trade Betts with for a young/prospect CF I think there are about 5, I might have chosen in front of Verdugo.. The Dodgers were the only team willing to take the salaries, not in their division and with decent prospects..

 

How do you value Lux then? If Jeter is a Franchise SS, Lux must be future HOF'er

[Carlos Danger]

How do you value Lux then? If Jeter is a Franchise SS, Lux must be future HOF'er

 

Your boy Friedman and Co have some serious depth. Blue Jays had a guy at 2b that was blocking another 2b who was traded for a rental. Both should probably be in the HOF.

 

I think the Yasiel Puig trade will go down as one of the best trades in recent memory.. (For the Dodgers).

 

I stand by my opinion that the Red Sox did better with this iteration than the first one with the Twinkies. We can bookmark this post and revisit in a few years and see where we are at with Downs, Verdugo and Graterol. My money is on Downs...

[Grant77]

Your boy Friedman and Co have some serious depth. Blue Jays had a guy at 2b that was blocking another 2b who was traded for a rental. Both should probably be in the HOF.

 

I think the Yasiel Puig trade will go down as one of the best trades in recent memory.. (For the Dodgers).

 

I stand by my opinion that the Red Sox did better with this iteration than the first one with the Twinkies. We can bookmark this post and revisit in a few years and see where we are at with Downs, Verdugo and Graterol. My money is on Downs...

 

That isn't the statement that he took issue with. It's your statement that Downs is worth more than Verdugo.

[Carlos Danger]

That isn't the statement that he took issue with. It's your statement that Downs is worth more than Verdugo.

 

Ok, let me caveat my statement. He will be worth more, it is a piece that while at this exact moment of time is not as valuable at the ML level, in terms of overall ROI in the deal, I think Downs is worth more.

[Boxcar]

I value Downs upside higher than Verdugo and as franchise SS. If there were no money considerations involved, and the Red Sox could find any partner to trade Betts with for a young/prospect CF I think there are about 5, I might have chosen in front of Verdugo.. The Dodgers were the only team willing to take the salaries, not in their division and with decent prospects..

 

So you think that Downs is 100% certain to be a 3+ WAR player annually? I wouldn't take that bet, but to each their own

[Ryu In My House]

I still think the Red Sox f***ed up

 

David Price at half of his contract is probably what he would cost as a free agent. There should have been no absolute need to attach Betts to him, and possibly dampen the return for Betts in the process.

 

Mookie is not your normal star player - he's a total package superstar and likely the 2nd best player in baseball. I think this return for him lacks a certain type of upside. This isn't even obviously more than Goldschmidt fetched.

 

I agree about Price...they must have really wanted him gone, because for me he was still worth $15-18M/year for sure. Plus, on the right team (which may be every team but the Red Sox), he's a great teammate.

 

I think superstars like Betts in their walk year will not be getting as much as in years (decades) past. I think that was a fair return on Betts.

[Jonn]

Joc Pederson trade to the Angels fell through. Considering the awkwardness of his arbitration hearing (that he lost), and them trying to trade him. That relationship has got to be awkward as hell. And now the Dodgers have to move him. Atkins please be all over that. Joc would be perfect for this lineup.

[Laika]

Joc Pederson trade to the Angels fell through. Considering the awkwardness of his arbitration hearing (that he lost), and them trying to trade him. That relationship has got to be awkward as hell. And now the Dodgers have to move him. Atkins please be all over that. Joc would be perfect for this lineup.

 

Only one year of control though. I can't see it making sense for Toronto to pay futures for him.

 

I'd be interested in Ross Stripling - three years of control there. He was going to the Angels in that.

[BTS]

I'd be surprised if Pederson is even really on the team's radar. He's a free agent after the season, and they've been unwilling to move prospects for short term help.