General 2020 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Carlos Danger]

I have been hoping that Martin is our CF answer. However, it got me thinking; have we given Jonathan Davis a sufficient chance, how many MLB ABs does he have?

[Stangstag]

He doesn't have a classic shortstop's arm and he knows it, leading him to rush plays deep in the hole or with fast runners. I think he's fine at SS but could be a great 2B.

 

Arm looks fine to me

[Krylian]

Rikelvin de Castro has the glove for short. Don't know how his bat will develop though.

[Orgfiller]

I have been hoping that Martin is our CF answer. However, it got me thinking; have we given Jonathan Davis a sufficient chance, how many MLB ABs does he have?

 

It's entirely possible, maybe even very likely, that Jonathan Davis can't hit RHP at all. He's probably a solid 4th OF/PR option that you can maybe get away with platooning, no more than that. There's a reason why he's 28 years old and has 150 MLB PAs.

[connorp]

I have been hoping that Martin is our CF answer. However, it got me thinking; have we given Jonathan Davis a sufficient chance, how many MLB ABs does he have?

 

Yikes

[Orgfiller]

Rikelvin de Castro has the glove for short. Don't know how his bat will develop though.

 

By the time Rivelkin de Castro is in the cards for an MLB job (assuming he even gets that far) Vlad, Bo and Biggio will be in their 30s.

[Krylian]

By the time Rivelkin de Castro is in the cards for an MLB job (assuming he even gets that far) Vlad, Bo and Biggio will be in their 30s.

 

I don't disagree. I'm just saying he's the only "true shortstop" that comes to mind in the Jays organization right now.

[Dokken]

I don't disagree. I'm just saying he's the only "true shortstop" that comes to mind in the Jays organization right now.

 

I am not sure what a "true shortstop" is. Can someone enlighten me here? Or is it like 'ETA', where it's all subjective?

 

Anyways if you want a SS and to contend, then there is Andrelton Simmons on the FA market this fall, so there's that....

[Krylian]

I am not sure what a "true shortstop" is. Can someone enlighten me here? Or is it like 'ETA', where it's all subjective?

 

Anyways if you want a SS and to contend, then there is Andrelton Simmons on the FA market this fall, so there's that....

 

Means that he's been baptised by the hand of god as a 'True Shortstop'. All others are imposters.

[Olerud363]

Bo would probably be a fantastic 3B.

 

A good organization won't move Bo off of short stop after 70 mlb games. They'd wait to see what happened over his first full season.

 

This doesn't seem to be a Russ Adams situation.

 

Bo passes the fangraphs test (fangraphs recognized the Russ Adams problem)

Bo passes the eye test (casuals recognized the Russ Adams problem)

Bo passes the old announcer test (old announcers recognized the Russ Adams problem)

 

I never heard of the Bo problem until yesterday. Good organization wouldn't make a decision based on 1 game.

 

I don't consume everything Blue Jays though. If this Bo problem was a thing before yesterday I'll take it more seriously.

[Laika]

A good organization won't move Bo off of short stop after 70 mlb games. They'd wait to see what happened over his first full season.

 

This doesn't seem to be a Russ Adams situation.

 

Bo passes the fangraphs test (fangraphs recognized the Russ Adams problem)

Bo passes the eye test (casuals recognized the Russ Adams problem)

Bo passes the old announcer test (old announcers recognized the Russ Adams problem)

 

I never heard of the Bo problem until yesterday. Good organization wouldn't make a decision based on 1 game.

 

I don't consume everything Blue Jays though. If this Bo problem was a thing before yesterday I'll take it more seriously.

 

Below average based on the newfangled statcast defensive metric.

 

I will also say that he is a fringe SS based on my personal eye test. I see average SS tools at best.

[Jimcanuck]

Below average based on the newfangled statcast defensive metric.

 

I will also say that he is a fringe SS based on my personal eye test. I see average SS tools at best.

 

Derek Jeter 2.0

[dineke]

If we can sign someone like andrelton Simmons go ahead and move Bo, he doesn't have Jeter clout yet.

[Olerud363]

Below average based on the newfangled statcast defensive metric.

 

I will also say that he is a fringe SS based on my personal eye test. I see average SS tools at best.

 

I guess it depends who else are options

 

If Groshans is obviously better sure but him at short and Bo at third

 

Just don't John McDonald it... like if Bo can be a 4 WAR guy even with average D, and we a 3 WAR guy for third don't decrease the team WAR by putting Bo at third and John McDonald (-0.4 WAR in 2006, 1 WAR in 2007) at short.

[Olerud363]

Derek Jeter 2.0

 

Project 2022 - Assign each player a 1998 Yankee and get high performance team to mold the player into the 1998 Yankee counterpart using advanced high performance strategies and tools.

 

Bo = Jeter

Vlad = Paul O'Neil

Kirk = Posado

Biggio = Chuck Knobloch

Gurriel = Bernie Williams (not really)

Teoscar = Darryl Strawberry

Rowdy = Tino?

 

Ryu = David Wells

Pearson = David Cone

Romano = Rivera

 

Got a lot of them covered.

[Olerud363]

Vlad = Paul O'Neil

 

I've come to realize Vlad looks like a fat right handed hitter but identifies as a tall left handed line drive doubles hitter in the mold of O'Neill or John Olerud (look at Vladdy stats vs young O'Neill/Olerud stats)

 

25ish doubles, 16 home runs, .260ish average -- is it young Olerud? Young O'Neill ? Or Young Vladdy??

 

When Vladdy accepts his identity as a tall left handed, skinny, sweet swinging white guy he'll reach his potential as a batting title and double title contender with 22 homers.

[dineke]

Vlad = Paul O'Neil

 

I've come to realize Vlad looks like a fat right handed hitter but identifies as a tall left handed line drive doubles hitter in the mold of O'Neill or John Olerud (look at Vladdy stats vs young O'Neill/Olerud stats)

 

25ish doubles, 16 home runs, .260ish average -- is it young Olerud? Young O'Neill ? Or Young Vladdy??

 

When Vladdy accepts his identity as a tall left handed, skinny, sweet swinging white guy he'll reach his potential as a batting title and double title contender with 22 homers.

 

He could hit like Olerud but he would probably still field like Prince Fielder and not be a borderline HoFer unfortunately.

[The Iceman]

Vlad is most likely going to spend like a week in the off-season trying to hit flyballs, learn to hit flyballs, and hit 40 bombs next year.

 

And I hope he spends the next 2 weeks learning to catch flyballs

[Dokken]

Means that he's been baptised by the hand of god as a 'True Shortstop'. All others are imposters.

 

Ah we have another amateur comedian here. Yeah f*** you too !

 

Also, it is God with a capital G, you stupid f***er!!

[Olerud363]

Vlad is most likely going to spend like a week in the off-season trying to hit flyballs, learn to hit flyballs, and hit 40 bombs next year.

 

I am sure he has already spent time trying to learn to hit flyballs.

 

Reading between the lines they fiddled with his swing a couple of times (late last year and late this year) and both times he slumped and got frustrated.

 

I think I heard he adjusted his hands much of September but went back to his old way the final week (and he got hot).

 

I think he could be fine even without becoming an flyball hitter.

 

Soto has a high ground ball rate too. I think the biggest difference between them are their swing rates.

 

Vlad has to let a few more pitches on the corner go by even if the call doesn't always go his way... wait for his pitch and avoid the -25 degree 90 mph choppers and keep with -5 to +25 110 mph bullets.

[Olerud363]

 

That's Dimitri

 

His borther was Delmon. He weighed 295. He hit .300 with 15 homers in a full season basically.

 

I think Vladdy is better than Dimitri so I see him at .325 with 25 homers, Paul O'Neil level.

 

As a side note when I was searching for the picture it seems Dimitri lost a lot weight eventually.

[Dokken]

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That's Dimitri

 

His borther was Delmon. He weighed 295. He hit .300 with 15 homers in a full season basically.

 

I think Vladdy is better than Dimitri so I see him at .325 with 25 homers, Paul O'Neil level.

 

As a side note when I was searching for the picture it seems Dimitri lost a lot weight eventually.

 

Wow I never even heard of him, that I recall (I guess because he played during the time I didn't really follow baseball much). Interesting that (from Wikipedia) "Delmon made his major league debut on August 29, 2006, exactly ten years after his older brother. "

[M.E.]

I am less upset with the playoff games than I am with them not taking the last game of the regular season seriously. It seems like a smart idea to avoid the Rays and force the Yankees in to that match up right away. I know the Indians would have been difficult too, however clearly not the Rays level.

[Ex Player]

We need 2 more starters. Ryu is nice, but he's not an Ace.

Nate Pearson can (and might be a #1). So we would need a #2 and after we'd be set.

 

Cheers!!!

[Ex Player]

Ryu now has a 4.54 post-season ERA.

Not exactly the kind of pitcher I wanna go into the playoffs with:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ryuhy01.shtml

[Spanky99]

[Olerud363]

We need 2 more starters. Ryu is nice, but he's not an Ace.

Nate Pearson can (and might be a #1). So we would need a #2 and after we'd be set.

 

Cheers!!!

 

It really sucks that there was no minor league season. How do we evaluate where Manoah and Woods-Richardson are??

[The Cats Ass]

It really sucks that there was no minor league season. How do we evaluate where Manoah and Woods-Richardson are??

 

Maybe spring training? Or we might have to wait and see where they are placed next season to start off. The coaching staff and org probably(should) have a good grasp on it though at the moment.

[Orgfiller]

Ryu now has a 4.54 post-season ERA.

Not exactly the kind of pitcher I wanna go into the playoffs with:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ryuhy01.shtml

 

Wait until you learn about Kershaw's postseason ERA! Not my ace!

[wilko]

Wait until you learn about Kershaw's postseason ERA! Not my ace!