Offseason Roster Thread 2019-2020

[Krylian]

Signing Edwin would be just a meh move for me. Doesn't move the needle. It's just a warm body that may be able to give you a reasonable production...but could also turn into Kendry (negative contribution outside the batters box).

[glory]

It wouldn't shock me if Edwin declined in 2020, maybe not as badly as 2017 Jose but decline nonetheless. The key is what the alternatives are. Eric Thames is 33 and won't move the needle either. Shaw would be a decent gamble to take as he can cover many positions (1b/3b/2b) and prior to 2019 was a 120 wRC+ bat for two straight years. He also comes with an additional year of control (arbitration). He'd probably be my first choice over what's out there in free agency, but as we know, players actually have to want to play in Toronto, and he's also coming off a horrendous season so the Jays would have to feel he can bounce back. Other than that there isn't much out there. Maybe we can work out a trade for Dom Smith, but that would mean losing assets in the process (Shatkins seems hesitant to do that).

[Jimcanuck]

It wouldn't shock me if Edwin declined in 2020, maybe not as badly as 2017 Jose but decline nonetheless. The key is what the alternatives are. Eric Thames is 33 and won't move the needle either. Shaw would be a decent gamble to take as he can cover many positions (1b/3b/2b) and prior to 2019 was a 120 wRC+ bat for two straight years. He also comes with an additional year of control (arbitration). He'd probably be my first choice over what's out there in free agency, but as we know, players actually have to want to play in Toronto, and he's also coming off a horrendous season so the Jays would have to feel he can bounce back. Other than that there isn't much out there. Maybe we can work out a trade for Dom Smith, but that would mean losing assets in the process (Shatkins seems hesitant to do that).

 

I suspect Jake Lamb could be had for very little. Was a non-tender candidate. 29 yrs old. A bounceback candidate after the injuries the past few years.

 

But yes Dominic Smith would be ideal. Crime Dog 2.0

[xposbrad]

Signing Edwin would be just a meh move for me. Doesn't move the needle. It's just a warm body that may be able to give you a reasonable production...but could also turn into Kendry (negative contribution outside the batters box).

 

I rather use that spot on anyone under 28 to see if they can breakout and be here mid-long term. Jays most probably aren't even .500 next year, so now is the time to see who fits. Otherwise, you still need to fill that position again the following year.

[saskjayfan]

I rather use that spot on anyone under 28 to see if they can breakout and be here mid-long term. Jays most probably aren't even .500 next year, so now is the time to see who fits. Otherwise, you still need to fill that position again the following year.

 

Edwin's 2 and half years younger than Nelson Cruz. There's still time for old Eddie! I understand your sentiment, but it would be more helpful if you suggested a couple names rather than an idea.

[Slade]

I rather use that spot on anyone under 28 to see if they can breakout and be here mid-long term. Jays most probably aren't even .500 next year, so now is the time to see who fits. Otherwise, you still need to fill that position again the following year.

 

I wouldn't mind if they gave the position to Biggio and gone after a 2B in trade. I'm with you that we need younger players, Edwin doesn't really serve any kind of purpose in these rebuilding years other than a placeholder.

[Jimcanuck]

I rather use that spot on anyone under 28 to see if they can breakout and be here mid-long term. Jays most probably aren't even .500 next year, so now is the time to see who fits. Otherwise, you still need to fill that position again the following year.

 

Castellanos is 27, still unsigned, and would be fine at 1B

 

All he takes is money, no assets

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Castellanos is 27, still unsigned, and would be fine at 1B

 

All he takes is money, no assets

 

Why do you think he would be fine at 1B?

[Jimcanuck]

Why do you think he would be fine at 1B?

 

3B usually can transition to 1B without problem

 

He's 6'4" a nice big target

[Jonn]

Maybe a 1B platoon, EE takes on lefties and Tellez vs righties? I like that. Edwin can DH the rest of the time, and when EE plays 1B, Tellez can sit (or DH if he's hot) and allows others like Vlad to get some DH time.

 

I like it.

 

Edwin has still been very, very solid the last three years and Steamer projects around 1.6 WAR.

 

And, he's Edwin.

 

In sum, a definite upgrade at 1B/DH spot.

 

I would rather they brought in Thames as well and told Rowdy to kick rocks personally.

[Jimcanuck]

Why do you think he would be fine at 1B?

 

If its about the bat, he has averaged 120 wRC+ the past 4 years, and is entering his peak. That bat plays at 1B

[Ray]

I'm surprised there's been so little talk of Corey Dickerson this offseason.

 

Career 117 wRC+ and 11.5 WAR. I had zero idea he's been that productive. Career .866 OPS vs righties. Should come really cheap as well.

[Ray]

What would be a reasonable starting point for Dom Smith?

 

Does Giles for Smith 1-for-1 get it done? Would the Mets have to add more, would we have to add more etc?

[Daniel Labude]

What would be a reasonable starting point for Dom Smith?

 

Does Giles for Smith 1-for-1 get it done? Would the Mets have to add more, would we have to add more etc?

 

Pass

[saskjayfan]

So who's in on Ryu. The white sox are presumably out. The twins are still there. The Angels, but with the bad luck they've had with injury prone pitchers they might not be willing to go the distance. The Dodgers are there, but I'm not so sure they will be willing to go 4 years. The Jays have reportedly made an offer and the perceived price seems to be dropping. Might the Jays actually have a shot at him?

[Grant77]

So who's in on Ryu. The white sox are presumably out. The twins are still there. The Angels, but with the bad luck they've had with injury prone pitchers they might not be willing to go the distance. The Dodgers are there, but I'm not so sure they will be willing to go 4 years. The Jays have reportedly made an offer and the perceived price seems to be dropping. Might the Jays actually have a shot at him?

 

It seems obvious by now that he was by far the team's top target. If they like him then I'll be perfectly happy to pay him 4/80 or whatever. It would be better than that Keuchel contract.

[saskjayfan]

It seems obvious by now that he was by far the team's top target. If they like him then I'll be perfectly happy to pay him 4/80 or whatever. It would be better than that Keuchel contract.

 

If they landed Ryu and signed Eddie this off season would go from a D to a B and I would start cutting this management some slack and offer some praise for the strong finish.

[Daniel Labude]

If they landed Ryu and signed Eddie this off season would go from a D to a B and I would start cutting this management some slack and offer some praise for the strong finish.

 

It would be a pretty decent offseason to get both imo

[glory]

So who's in on Ryu. The white sox are presumably out. The twins are still there. The Angels, but with the bad luck they've had with injury prone pitchers they might not be willing to go the distance. The Dodgers are there, but I'm not so sure they will be willing to go 4 years. The Jays have reportedly made an offer and the perceived price seems to be dropping. Might the Jays actually have a shot at him?

 

My guess is the Jays made a legit competitive offer but Ryu doesn’t want to sign with Toronto so Boras is trying to get others to offer a better deal. Heyman keeps mentioning the Jays interest in Ryu, and he’s a Boras puppet. There’s definitely some smoke there. I don’t think the Jays will sign him but they likely did make a good offer for him, if that means anything.

[Grant77]

My guess is the Jays made a legit competitive offer but Ryu doesn’t want to sign with Toronto so Boras is trying to get others to offer a better deal. Heyman keeps mentioning the Jays interest in Ryu, and he’s a Boras puppet. There’s definitely some smoke there. I don’t think the Jays will sign him but they likely did make a good offer for him, if that means anything.

 

If you hire Scott Boras as your agent then you are all about the money. If we pay Ryu then he will come, no excuses. The Blue Jays offer a great opportunity for him to be the ace of a staff and lead a young team into playoff contention.

[TheHurl]

An agents job is to get a player where they want to play. Jays currently have the best offer and then Boras is trying to get a competitive one from the teams trying to add by trade

[Grant77]

An agents job is to get a player where they want to play. Jays currently have the best offer and then Boras is trying to get a competitive one from the teams trying to add by trade

 

It could also be that the Jays don't have the best offer, but he wants to play here. It's all speculation at this point, but he will very likely pitch for us if we pay him. Boras clients usually take the money.

[TheHurl]

I have no idea if Shapiro is a Shabbos Goy or not (the goy pronunciation of his name makes me think he is) but Chanukah started today. Friedman usually makes his deals prior to and doesn't work the during the festival of lights

[TheHurl]

It could also be that the Jays don't have the best offer, but he wants to play here. It's all speculation at this point, but he will very likely pitch for us if we pay him. Boras clients usually take the money.

 

The Jays have the highest offer

[Deadpool]

The Jays have the highest offer

 

Source? Or just something you've heard/sussed out?

[Ray]

It could also be that the Jays don't have the best offer, but he wants to play here. It's all speculation at this point, but he will very likely pitch for us if we pay him. Boras clients usually take the money.

 

He’s not turning down an extra $20M to play in LA, that’s for sure. Guy is 33 and wants to get paid as much as he can.

 

This is all speculation, but I think the Jays have a 3 year/$65M deal on the table right now, maybe with a vesting option attached. That has to be considered fairly “competitive”. It might also be the highest offer he has on the table. I think the Dodgers have moved past Ryu and want to make a bigger splash (i.e Lindor). Ryu understandably probably wants to wait to see how that plays out before making a decision.

[Pendleton]

He’s not turning down an extra $20M to play in LA, that’s for sure. Guy is 33 and wants to get paid as much as he can.

 

This is all speculation, but I think the Jays have a 3 year/$65M deal on the table right now, maybe with a vesting option attached. That has to be considered fairly “competitive”. It might also be the highest offer he has on the table. I think the Dodgers have moved past Ryu and want to make a bigger splash (i.e Lindor). Ryu understandably probably wants to wait to see how that plays out before making a decision.

 

That could be the Jays offer, but this is a case where I'd see Boras pushing hard for the team option/buyout for year four rather than a vesting option, in order to net the biggest guarantee possible for a client with injury history. That's of course assuming there aren't any big four year guarantees on the table.

[TheHurl]

Source? Or just something you've heard/sussed out?

 

Boras on MLB radio. We have one official offer on the table.

[glory]

[Abomination]

You know, if we're willing to spend a bit without sacrificing prospect capital, signing Edwin and Ryu and trading for Price would give us a pretty decent looking team.