Aaron Sanchez contract extension

[Dr. Dinger]

I wouldn’t even give Sanchez the Albies extension TBH.

[Spanky99]

With that kind of anger I'm tempted to believe the rumours I've heard about your past transgressions.

 

lol... well played.

[Spanky99]

He just gets mad when he gets caught in a conversation he's clueless about. Which is why he's mad pretty much all the time.

 

Boxcar08 the cool cat! You're pathetic. Don't bother in the PM's anymore, I know the person you are!

[L54]

Extend Stroman. Let Sanchez run out his time in Toronto or trade him. Not interested in guaranteeing him anything.

[BlueRocky]

I wouldn't extend him at all right now.

 

Right now, no I wouldn’t either.

The speculation was based on what if he could repeat 2016 in 2019 & his finger issues are behind him.

 

If Ross has an opportunity to extend him @ winter, under those circumstances, should it be considered? Because if the org has no intentions to extend him, Sanchez should be trade bait.

 

The poll is out of context. It should be “Would you give Aaron Sanchez 5/$60M if he stays healthy and performs like 2016.”

 

What else could you buy in FA with $12 million per that isn’t age 30++? Find me a no. 2-3 starter willing to sign that contract that isn’t named Madison Bumgarner and is willing to come to Toronto.

 

If 2016 Sanchez is what you’re getting at age 26, 5/$60M might be worth considering as it covers his age 31/32 season. But like I stated before, this is a long shot and he’ll likely go free agency instead.

Edited April 21, 2019 by BlueRocky

[glory]

Yeah, try to extend Stroman. Sanchez is trade bait. AA had a man crush on him so trade him to the Braves.

[Bobthe4th]

The correct answer is that it's too early to tell if Sanchez is over his injuries that have ruined his last two years, so it's too risky to give him a long term contract right now. Put up this poll again in a few months (unless of course he gets injured) and it'll be a fairer question.

 

Much more interesting to me right now is should Smoak be offered an extension, and for those that would say yes, what would it look like?

[jmomcc]

If Sanchez has a good season where he shows himself to be healthy and at like 90% of his best year, then you aren’t getting him for 5/60.

 

This is the kind of deal he might sign right now but not after a successful year imo.

[BTS]

The correct answer is that it's too early to tell if Sanchez is over his injuries that have ruined his last two years, so it's too risky to give him a long term contract right now. Put up this poll again in a few months (unless of course he gets injured) and it'll be a fairer question.

 

Much more interesting to me right now is should Smoak be offered an extension, and for those that would say yes, what would it look like?

 

Seems like something like:

 

2020: 8M

2021: 8M team option with 2M buyout

 

would be about Smoak's market value.

 

I'd give it to him.

[jmomcc]

The correct answer is that it's too early to tell if Sanchez is over his injuries that have ruined his last two years, so it's too risky to give him a long term contract right now. Put up this poll again in a few months (unless of course he gets injured) and it'll be a fairer question.

 

Much more interesting to me right now is should Smoak be offered an extension, and for those that would say yes, what would it look like?

 

I think you just try to trade smoak.

[Bobthe4th]

Seems like something like:

 

2020: 8M

2021: 8M team option with 2M buyout

 

would be about Smoak's market value.

 

I'd give it to him.

 

I think you just try to trade smoak.

 

Either of these would be great IMO. Not sure that Smoak would accept that deal though, he might as well test the market as a free agent to get a 3+ year deal if he's only giving up a $10m guarantee.

[BlueRocky]

I would do 2/16M for Smoak with a buyout / team option.

But he could get better in the open market, maybe 2 or 3 years guaranteed.

 

But do we really need Smoak in 2020-2021?

We’re not short on guys that can man first base: Vlad, Tellez, McKinney, Biggio, Gurriel, maybe even Drury? Teoscar?

[Jimcanuck]

It's a gamble, just like a contract with every other pitcher. Sanchez not longer has the fastball velocity he had in 2016, he'll need to rely on pitch mix and better command as time goes by. Tough call, but Jays can afford to take the gamble.

[BTS]

I don't think there will be a 3-year guarantee out there for Smoak. Maybe two years. Dude will be 33 and plays 1B.

[BlueRocky]

It's a gamble, just like a contract with every other pitcher. Sanchez not longer has the fastball velocity he had in 2016, he'll need to rely on pitch mix and better command as time goes by. Tough call, but Jays can afford to take the gamble.

 

They can definitely afford it.

We have almost no long term payroll commitments aside from Grichuk and Gurriel. And asssuming Rogers will bump payroll when we are good again that’s a lot of dough to work with.

[TheHurl]

Lers say Sanchez pitches to projections this year. Then repeats 2016 in 2020...what does he make in Free Agency?

[BTS]

Lers say Sanchez pitches to projections this year. Then repeats 2016 in 2020...what does he make in Free Agency?

 

Probably something like the Eovaldi and Mikolas contracts (4/68).

[Bobthe4th]

I don't think there will be a 3-year guarantee out there for Smoak. Maybe two years. Dude will be 33 and plays 1B.

 

Quite possible, but I think we'd need to guarantee the second year to make it worth his while to sign an extension right now. You'd think he would be able to get 1 + an option year as a free agent even with the market for 1B being so low.

[TheHurl]

Probably something like the Eovaldi and Mikolas contracts (4/68).

 

Then pay him $6m next year and if he does repeat 2016 in 2020.. offer him 4 years $68m and you have 2 more years of data on him. In no way do you pay him 5 years right now. The reward is no where near sweet enough unless he's something like 3 years $25m with 2 $10M options. And I would be uneasy about that, as should he/Boras be.

[Jonn]

I would have zero interest in resigning Aaron Sanchez. Just don't trust him long term. The injury concerns are one thing but he just doesn't throw enough strikes and he doesn't strike anybody out. Not to forget to mention he just doesn't throw as hard as he use to. Hes more in the 93-94 range than he is in the 96-97 range now. I think if puts together a strong first half you look to move him to a team that is willing to overpay for pitching. His agent is also Boras so expecting to get a reasonable deal done is probably ruled out if he has a half decent season. Locking him up for 5 years would be scary. I would be very hesitant to even go 3 years. I don't really see him as apart of the long term plans here. Edited April 21, 2019 by Jonn

[BlueRocky]

If we can extend Stroman now, what’s the number?

[jmomcc]

Probably something like the Eovaldi and Mikolas contracts (4/68).

 

I kind of think this is light. Sanchez would have strung two good years together right before the contract in this scenario. I donÂ’t think Eovaldi at least had.

 

IÂ’d guess maybe, 4/75 - 85 in that ballpark.

 

The one advantage of doing 5/60 right now, is that you could frontload some of that unto this year and next year.

 

2019 - 15

2020 - 15

2021- 23 -10

 

IÂ’m not sure if I would do it but I see the attraction. Making the last year an option would make it more palatable.

[Daniel Labude]

If you can get a pitcher better than Syndergaard for a cheap to decent price and same age...absolutley you do it

[Carlos Danger]

The Blue Jays business model does not seem to give out extension when a player is at their peak.. I agree with this.. When they gave it Smoak the first time, he was in a little bit of a rut.. Grichuk, pretty neutral... I agreey you should sign guys who you think have upside/potential at a point they are struggling a bit to get better value.

 

Smoak is doing great, as is Stroman, stats, wise... I think the window to sign was off season.. The value will be higher in trade vs what you would have to pay in contract if you tried to do it today.

[Boxcar]

I kind of think this is light. Sanchez would have strung two good years together right before the contract in this scenario. I donÂ’t think Eovaldi at least had.

 

IÂ’d guess maybe, 4/75 - 85 in that ballpark.

 

The one advantage of doing 5/60 right now, is that you could frontload some of that unto this year and next year.

 

2019 - 15

2020 - 15

2021- 23 -10

 

IÂ’m not sure if I would do it but I see the attraction. Making the last year an option would make it more palatable.

 

What? He's projected to be terrible this year. In this scenario, he'd have 3 consecutive terrible seasons followed by one good season.

[TheHurl]

I kind of think this is light. Sanchez would have strung two good years together right before the contract in this scenario. I donÂ’t think Eovaldi at least had.

 

IÂ’d guess maybe, 4/75 - 85 in that ballpark.

 

The one advantage of doing 5/60 right now, is that you could frontload some of that unto this year and next year.

 

2019 - 15

2020 - 15

2021- 23 -10

 

IÂ’m not sure if I would do it but I see the attraction. Making the last year an option would make it more palatable.

 

He would not have strung together two good seasons in the scenario. His projections are 130 innings of 4.50 ERA/FIP with an under 2.0 k/BB ratio

[jmomcc]

What? He's projected to be terrible this year. In this scenario, he'd have 3 consecutive terrible seasons followed by one good season.

 

Oh, I assumed his projections were average at very worst. My bad.

[jmomcc]

Ok, so looking closer at Eovaldi and Sanchez.

 

Assuming Sanchez replicates his 2016 season, wouldn’t that make him more attractive?

 

He would have one bad year and one good year. Eovaldi had one lost year and one good year. They would be around the same age at signing.

 

I’ll be honest though, I don’t know much about the nitty gritty of underlying pitcher stats. It’s possible that Eovaldi is more attractive but to me Sanchez’s 2016 seems quite a bit better than Eovaldi’s 2018. What am I missing here?

[Deadpool]

Ok, so looking closer at Eovaldi and Sanchez.

 

Assuming Sanchez replicates his 2016 season, wouldn’t that make him more attractive?

 

He would have one bad year and one good year. Eovaldi had one lost year and one good year. They would be around the same age at signing.

 

I’ll be honest though, I don’t know much about the nitty gritty of underlying pitcher stats. It’s possible that Eovaldi is more attractive but to me Sanchez’s 2016 seems quite a bit better than Eovaldi’s 2018. What am I missing here?

 

I don't think he necessarily has it in him to match his 2016 season, my numbers were based on my (probably optimistic) belief that he can settle in as a 2.0 WAR starter.

[jmomcc]

I don't think he necessarily has it in him to match his 2016 season, my numbers were based on my (probably optimistic) belief that he can settle in as a 2.0 WAR starter.

 

I was just working under the scenario we were talking about tbh. I don’t have a ton of confidence that he would ever replicate that season.