Russell Martin traded to dodgers.

[Boxcar]

Mr. Jigglypuff still coming through for me after all these years

[glory]

Martin is a free agent after the season. He will be 36 so his time in the game is limited. He probably wants to win. He might also want a contract next year coming off a season where he plays a decent amount, not sitting on the bench mentoring his replacement on a rebuilding team.

 

This was a favor to Martin, opening up a spot for Jansen to start everyday, freeing up a 40 man roster, saving some money, and getting some depth for the system all wrapped in one.

[Krylian]

Yes but there is a difference between a $60mil jackpot and a Honda lawnmower.

 

Just because you think he's a lawnmower, doesn't mean he is.

[Maico450]

Just because you think he's a lawnmower, doesn't mean he is.

 

When you need your grass cut, what do you look for?

[P2F]

When you need your grass cut, what do you look for?

 

This guy:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa551979

[Boxcar]

This guy:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa551979

 

That elicited an audible chuckle.

[Boxcar]

Just because you think he's a lawnmower, doesn't mean he is.

 

Well idk about you but I am looking forward to a 5% chance of Alcides Escobar in 5 years. If he's a lawnmower, he's one hell of a lawnmower.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

If he's a lottery ticket then literally every prospect in baseball under 21 is a lottery ticket.

 

But hey, don't let me get in the way of your excitement for a 10 dollar jackpot.

 

He signed for $2M. Not many fringe prospects sign for $2M that I know of. I think that makes him a lottery ticket type player. At least for me.

[Captain Adama]

He signed for $2M. Not many fringe prospects sign for $2M that I know of. I think that makes him a lottery ticket type player. At least for me.

 

This means nothing, plenty of international prospects have signed for 2+ million (especially in the last couple years) whom have turned out to be absolute dogshit very quickly.

 

Examples:

 

Kevin Maitan

Alfredo Rodriguez

Luis Almanzar

Jairo Beras

Jonatan Machado

 

This list could be much longer.

[glory]

Brito will probably not turn into anything, or he might improve and become an asset.

 

Either way the dude is a 19 year old SS with power and some defensive value (depending on which damn report you read). Even as a long shot he provides more value to the Jays right now than Martin.

[Boxcar]

Brito will probably not turn into anything, or he might improve and become an asset.

 

Either way the dude is a 19 year old SS with power and some defensive value (depending on which damn report you read). Even as a long shot he provides more value to the Jays right now than Martin.

 

I don't agree with this but I do think Hurl hit the nail on the head. This trade was for a) optics and small salary dump. Giving guys like Tulo and Martin a chance to find a home with elite teams in the twilight of their careers can only be a good look. They did it with Granderson as well last year. From that perspective, fine. From purely a Blue Jays point of view, I'd much rather just have Martin play out his last year while mentoring Jansen and playing a super utility role but I understand that making the team look pro-player is important too.

 

Brito and Sopko are just filler guys. Basically the next Joe Biagini and Ryan Goins.

[metafour]

I don't agree with this but I do think Hurl hit the nail on the head. This trade was for a) optics and small salary dump. Giving guys like Tulo and Martin a chance to find a home with elite teams in the twilight of their careers can only be a good look. They did it with Granderson as well last year. From that perspective, fine. From purely a Blue Jays point of view, I'd much rather just have Martin play out his last year while mentoring Jansen and playing a super utility role but I understand that making the team look pro-player is important too.

 

Brito and Sopko are just filler guys. Basically the next Joe Biagini and Ryan Goins.

 

Your stance is nonsensical. There is no quantifiable value to Martin "mentoring" anyone LMAO. Even if you want to play that game, you can have your choice of any number of scrub "veteran" catchers to play that role for the cost of next to nothing. Does anyone even have any proof that Martin possesses some magical "mentoring" quality that no one else does? Other than him being a likable Canadian lmao?

 

Guys like Brito and Sopko ARE probably nothing, but you need to understand that the entire "ceiling" guesstimate in baseball has more or less been proven to be pseudoscience. Jose Ramirez was a 45-50 ceiling prospect until he suddenly became an 80 grade player...whoops. Its a best guess, which means that you can never have too many guys to roll the dice on. In this case we traded a player we had little to no use for, saved a bit of money, and picked up two prospects (one of which whom is at least kind of intriguing). That is a no-brainer trade, it had nothing to do with "optics" lmao.

[Laika]

I don't agree with this but I do think Hurl hit the nail on the head. This trade was for a) optics and small salary dump. Giving guys like Tulo and Martin a chance to find a home with elite teams in the twilight of their careers can only be a good look. They did it with Granderson as well last year. From that perspective, fine. From purely a Blue Jays point of view, I'd much rather just have Martin play out his last year while mentoring Jansen and playing a super utility role but I understand that making the team look pro-player is important too.

 

Brito and Sopko are just filler guys. Basically the next Joe Biagini and Ryan Goins.

 

The next Biagini would be worth a heck of a lot more than Martin's mentorship to someone.

 

lmao

 

metafour hits the nail on the head and you are being an idiot

[Brownie19]

I don't agree with this but I do think Hurl hit the nail on the head. This trade was for a) optics and small salary dump. Giving guys like Tulo and Martin a chance to find a home with elite teams in the twilight of their careers can only be a good look. They did it with Granderson as well last year. From that perspective, fine. From purely a Blue Jays point of view, I'd much rather just have Martin play out his last year while mentoring Jansen and playing a super utility role but I understand that making the team look pro-player is important too.

 

Brito and Sopko are just filler guys. Basically the next Joe Biagini and Ryan Goins.

 

Based on what Big Cecil reported - you may be overestimating the value of Martin's mentor-ship...

[Boxcar]

Your stance is nonsensical. There is no quantifiable value to Martin "mentoring" anyone LMAO. Even if you want to play that game, you can have your choice of any number of scrub "veteran" catchers to play that role for the cost of next to nothing. Does anyone even have any proof that Martin possesses some magical "mentoring" quality that no one else does? Other than him being a likable Canadian lmao?

 

Guys like Brito and Sopko ARE probably nothing, but you need to understand that the entire "ceiling" guesstimate in baseball has more or less been proven to be pseudoscience. Jose Ramirez was a 45-50 ceiling prospect until he suddenly became an 80 grade player...whoops. Its a best guess, which means that you can never have too many guys to roll the dice on. In this case we traded a player we had little to no use for, saved a bit of money, and picked up two prospects (one of which whom is at least kind of intriguing). That is a no-brainer trade, it had nothing to do with "optics" lmao.

 

lmfao ok, lmao

 

I'll take our two new org guys and celebrate LMAO

 

OMG that trade was amazing lmfao!!!!111!

[Boxcar]

The next Biagini would be worth a heck of a lot more than Martin's mentorship to someone.

 

lmao

 

metafour hits the nail on the head and you are being an idiot

 

He could have thrown in a few more LMAOs and LMFAOs to drive his point home a bit further. Missed opportunity if you ask me.

 

Way to stick on the mentoring part while conveniently ignoring the fact that Martin isn't garbage and his versatility is valuable. Also, this may surprise you, but catchers don't play every day. Having Martin to fill in would be nice.

 

All in all, it's an inconsequential trade. I'd have preferred to keep Martin. You, Metafour and the snotty teens can go ahead and blow your collective loads over acquiring the next Joe Biagini. Wow, what a slam dunk no brainer!

[Laika]

Way to stick on the mentoring part while conveniently ignoring the fact that Martin isn't garbage and his versatility is valuable. Also, this may surprise you, but catchers don't play every day. Having Martin to fill in would be nice.

 

Martin has some appeal to the roster construction of a team trying to succeed in 2019, hence why the Dodgers want him. Toronto doesn’t fit that definition. Who cares if a 77 win team has a funny little C/3B/Manager who can play 70 games, manage ten, and be worth a win or so? It’s worth nothing to Toronto

[King]

lmfao ok, lmao

 

I'll take our two new org guys and celebrate LMAO

 

OMG that trade was amazing lmfao!!!!111!

take the L

[Boxcar]

take the L

 

The L for what? Preferring one side of an extremely marginal trade?

 

f***ing idiot

[Boxcar]

Martin has some appeal to the roster construction of a team trying to succeed in 2019, hence why the Dodgers want him. Toronto doesn’t fit that definition. Who cares if a 77 win team has a funny little C/3B/Manager who can play 70 games, manage ten, and be worth a win or so? It’s worth nothing to Toronto

 

You know what else is worth nothing? Two useless prospects. Hmmmmmmm...useless or also useless. Better make sure I pick the right one!

[Krylian]

Ronny Brito. AL MVP. 2025!!

[Spanky99]

lmfao ok, lmao

 

I'll take our two new org guys and celebrate LMAO

 

OMG that trade was amazing lmfao!!!!111!

 

Hahaha... T-Rekt dumn-dumn!

[King]

The L for what? Preferring one side of an extremely marginal trade?

 

f***ing idiot

[Boxcar]

Hahaha... T-Rekt dumn-dumn!

 

Spanky, you don't actually have to post for me to know your opinion. I can just look at the general direction of responses to know how you feel since I'm pretty sure you've never had an independent thought about literally anything.

[Boxcar]

 

This is why I hate kids

[Spanky99]

Spanky, you don't actually have to post for me to know your opinion. I can just look at the general direction of responses to know how you feel since I'm pretty sure you've never had an independent thought about literally anything.

 

[Olerud363]

The next Biagini would be worth a heck of a lot more than Martin's mentorship to someone.

 

lmao

 

metafour hits the nail on the head and you are being an idiot

 

Even the next Ryan Goins could have some value. Goins contributed 1 WAR to the 2015 team, if Brito became a replacement player, and held his own when needed to fill in on a contender that would be a fair return in exchange for 2019 Martin.

[Dr. Dinger]

This seems like an awful lot of outrage and combativeness for a 35 year old 1 WAR player on a one year deal in a rebuilding season. Can you all please try caring less?

[Krylian]

This seems like an awful lot of outrage and combativeness for a 35 year old 1 WAR player on a one year deal in a rebuilding season. Can you all please try caring less?

 

Being right is always more important than age and WAR I guess.

[Dr. Dinger]

Being right is always more important than age and WAR I guess.

 

This is like arguing about dark matter. We have absolutely no evidence to make declarative statements at this point in time.