Around Baseball 2019

[BTS]

Alex Bregman is going to make close to half a billion dollars in his career. He's already closing in on his first 10M and hasn't hit arb yet.

[Bobthe4th]

That's nonsense. This system enriches Alex Bregman type players more than anyone. Not only does he get a huge signing bonus, he's going to be making boatloads of money very soon in arb and FA. It's the Kevin Pillars who should be complaining, if anything. The players who don't get big bonuses, the players whose skillsets don't get rewarded in arbitration, the players who get chewed up and spit out for their cheap productive years and then struggle to find big league jobs. Alex Bregman doesn't have a damn thing to complain about.

 

Nah, Alex Bergman is significantly underpaid to date. He’ll be fine if he doesn’t get injured before cashing in, but in a totally free market he’d be earning a lot more than the $7.5m total he’s got so far in his career. You’re right that players who don’t get a big signing bonus are in an even worse position, but you’re wrong that he has nothing to complain about.

 

Artificially keeping salaries so low only benefits the owners’ profits. It’s a stupid system, that hopefully will change in the next CBA. Ideally this will also reduce the inflated contracts for past it players, as the pressure to cash in will be less when they’ve been fairly compensated early in their careers.

[Laika]

The only people Alex Bregman should be mad at are the MLBPA members of generations before him.

[Terminator]

You guys are so mad at Alex Bregman

[Dr. Dinger]

Nah, Alex Bergman is significantly underpaid to date. He’ll be fine if he doesn’t get injured before cashing in, but in a totally free market he’d be earning a lot more than the $7.5m total he’s got so far in his career. You’re right that players who don’t get a big signing bonus are in an even worse position, but you’re wrong that he has nothing to complain about.

 

Artificially keeping salaries so low only benefits the owners’ profits. It’s a stupid system, that hopefully will change in the next CBA. Ideally this will also reduce the inflated contracts for past it players, as the pressure to cash in will be less when they’ve been fairly compensated early in their careers.

 

No offence but I think it's a f***ing retarded argument. If you want a totally free market, then you should outlaw everything other than 1 year deals. If Alex Bregman gets hurt and misses 162 games, how about we pay him $0 the following year? How about non-guaranteed contracts so Anaheim can rip up the abomination of a deal that Pujols signed? Players don't get paid what they DESERVE, that's never been the deal. Players get paid what they can NEGOTIATE at the moments in their careers where they are afforded the luxury to do so based on the agreement that their own union negotiated. Bregman's current production is already baked into the leverage he had when he signed his signing bonus. f*** Alex Bregman and f*** you, commie!

[Laika]

If you want a totally free market, then you should outlaw everything

 

That's the opposite of free!

[Dr. Dinger]

The only people Alex Bregman should be mad at are the MLBPA members of generations before him.

 

Reported for being a truthbomb.

[Dr. Dinger]

You guys are so mad at Alex Bregman

 

Because Alex Bregman is a rich ****.

[Dr. Dinger]

Do we want every player to get paid exactly what they're worth as soon as they're worth it? Or do we want 30 teams who are actually capable of theoretically competing? These two things are mutually exclusive. We as fans should absolutely not care about the supposed injustice of soon-to-be very rich men getting rich a little bit sooner.

[Bobthe4th]

No offence but I think it's a f***ing retarded argument. If you want a totally free market, then you should outlaw everything other than 1 year deals. If Alex Bregman gets hurt and misses 162 games, how about we pay him $0 the following year? How about non-guaranteed contracts so Anaheim can rip up the abomination of a deal that Pujols signed? Players don't get paid what they DESERVE, that's never been the deal. Players get paid what they can NEGOTIATE at the moments in their careers where they are afforded the luxury to do so based on the agreement that their own union negotiated. Bregman's current production is already baked into the leverage he had when he signed his signing bonus. f*** Alex Bregman and f*** you, commie!

 

Haha, chill man! I’m not suggesting a completely free market. However, I’m pointing out that a salary of $640k is comically low for one of the best players in the game, and it’s understandable that Bregman would be pissed off at a negligible raise (even though that’s the way the system works until the next CBA when it’ll likely be amended).

[Bobthe4th]

You guys are so mad at Alex Bregman

 

I think it’s just Dinger that’s literally having a breakdown, haha. Maybe Bregman refused to sign his glove one time?

[Dr. Dinger]

Haha, chill man! I’m not suggesting a completely free market. However, I’m pointing out that a salary of $640k is comically low for one of the best players in the game, and it’s understandable that Bregman would be pissed off at a negligible raise (even though that’s the way the system works until the next CBA when it’ll likely be amended).

 

He knew the deal! How the hell can he complain? He's going to be rich beyond his wildest dreams very soon. He can't wait another year to get what he always knew was coming? My god. Not to mention, $600K is plenty of money to live on, even if his signing bonus was garbage, which it wasn't. His signing bonus alone is more than you'll make in your career! This is a mind-boggling display of greed. Alex Bregman should pull his own dick out of his mouth and get a shred of self-awareness.

[glory]

The sad thing is, if you start arb earlier, which I think they should, then all we will see is a bunch of mediocre players get non tendered once they start to make real money. Like, if Pillar was a free agent, would he get 1/5 from someone? Maybe, but those types of players have no value in today's market. Imagine if Pillar was arb eligible after 2016. He would have easily been non tendered by now, and who knows what his salary would be. It would help the elite and really good talent, but may not do much for the others.

 

I'm curious to see how the league fixes this. Teams will always find a loophole.

[Bobthe4th]

He knew the deal! How the hell can he complain? He's going to be rich beyond his wildest dreams very soon. He can't wait another year to get what he always knew was coming? My god. Not to mention, $600K is plenty of money to live on, even if his signing bonus was garbage, which it wasn't. His signing bonus alone is more than you'll make in your career! This is a mind-boggling display of greed. Alex Bregman should pull his own dick out of his mouth and get a shred of self-awareness.

 

And that would be a relevant point if my job was one that thousands of people would pay to watch me do. As it is though, it’s a dumb and irrelevant point.

 

Why do you want the billionaire owners to keep all the money, haha?

[Dr. Dinger]

And that would be a relevant point if my job was one that thousands of people would pay to watch me do. As it is though, it’s a dumb and irrelevant point.

 

Why do you want the billionaire owners to keep all the money, haha?

 

Strawman.

[Terminator]

Dinger's furious takedown of MLB players complaining about their salaries is exactly the type of mindset MLB owners want the general fanbase to have. "MLB player complaining that they aren't rich enough" while the owners are invisible and behind the scenes taking in record revenues, sell their teams for exponentially higher than they paid for them and get taxpayers to build them new stadiums.

 

This is the wrong way to look at it. It's not an MLB player complaining about his salary compared to the general public. That would be douchey. It's millionaire players bitching about money with billionaire owners.

[Dr. Dinger]

Dinger's furious takedown of MLB players complaining about their salaries is exactly the type of mindset MLB owners want the general fanbase to have. "MLB player complaining that they aren't rich enough" while the owners are invisible and behind the scenes taking in record revenues, sell their teams for exponentially higher than they paid for them and get taxpayers to build them new stadiums.

 

This is the wrong way to look at it. It's not an MLB player complaining about his salary compared to the general public. That would be douchey. It's millionaire players bitching about money with billionaire owners.

 

You're a commie.

[Jimcanuck]

You're a commie.

 

Nah, just another hypocritical conservaturd.

[onwego]

Is there a site that can give me the entire MLB schedule, day by day, as you would see taking up about half a page in the Globe and Mail?

 

Every site seems to insist on putting it into teams or only 3-6 days at a time.

[connorp]

Dinger's furious takedown of MLB players complaining about their salaries is exactly the type of mindset MLB owners want the general fanbase to have. "MLB player complaining that they aren't rich enough" while the owners are invisible and behind the scenes taking in record revenues, sell their teams for exponentially higher than they paid for them and get taxpayers to build them new stadiums.

 

This is the wrong way to look at it. It's not an MLB player complaining about his salary compared to the general public. That would be douchey. It's millionaire players bitching about money with billionaire owners.

 

Yeah, that’s why I was surprised that the GM would have such a “tough luck” attitude towards it.

 

The line they should be sticking to is it helps keeps a competitive balance with the smaller-market teams and that it could dry up money for the veterans in the league if you’re so quick to give players a huge raise after their first year of production. At least say it like that and not just blatantly say “you have zero leverage and so we’re going to take advantage”

[connorp]

I think with the CBA in football and basketball, rookie scale contracts exist because it can mess up the market for vets when you grossly overpay for poop. So it’ll always kind of suck for those few guys that are legit stars out of the gate but for overal league health, rookie scale is the way to go

[Terminator]

You're a commie.

 

We need to seize the means of production from the owners!

[Abomination]

Nah, Alex Bergman is significantly underpaid to date. He’ll be fine if he doesn’t get injured before cashing in, but in a totally free market he’d be earning a lot more than the $7.5m total he’s got so far in his career. You’re right that players who don’t get a big signing bonus are in an even worse position, but you’re wrong that he has nothing to complain about.

 

Artificially keeping salaries so low only benefits the owners’ profits. It’s a stupid system, that hopefully will change in the next CBA. Ideally this will also reduce the inflated contracts for past it players, as the pressure to cash in will be less when they’ve been fairly compensated early in their careers.

 

Keeping salaries lower earlier in their careers inflates them later. If you play players more earlier, it'll only change the distribution of money, not likely the overall proportion.

[Deadpool]

We need to seize the means of production from the owners!

 

Seize the means of run production!

[Dr. Dinger]

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!

 

Baseball Marxism in full swing up in hyaw.

[Spanky99]

Is there a site that can give me the entire MLB schedule, day by day, as you would see taking up about half a page in the Globe and Mail?

 

Every site seems to insist on putting it into teams or only 3-6 days at a time.

 

MLB.com

[glory]

 

So I guess Stroman for Martes+ at the deadline? Atkins hasn't made a deal with the Astros in a couple of months. Bound to happen.

[connorp]

 

So I guess Stroman for Martes+ at the deadline? Atkins hasn't made a deal with the Astros in a couple of months. Bound to happen.

 

I don’t get why an athlete would risk an 80 game suspension for using clomid. Even Wright’s suspension is for a peptide. Neither is going to give any big advantage to say the least

[Candy Maldonado]

 

So I guess Stroman for Martes+ at the deadline? Atkins hasn't made a deal with the Astros in a couple of months. Bound to happen.

 

That's what you take after you do a roid cycle.

[connorp]

That's what you take after you do a roid cycle.

 

Yeah. My mind drew a blank there. I was thinking it was just clomid. Just a timing thing