General 2019 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Spanky99]

lol... I don't even!

[Ex Player]

Holy f*** dude, learn to seperate the two points I was trying to make. Point 1 was that the Blue Jays, as a franchise located in Toronto, has a history of attracting good free agents despite the inferiority complex some fellow Canadians want us all to have.

 

Point 2 was that all evidence points to Rogers not being cheap since the Beeston/AA era

And its a very poorly made point.

 

Jays indeed attracted the best free agents in the 1990's, but that was because the owner at the time was prepared to spend the $$$.

Rogers has been much less inclined to spend the money in the last 19 years, thats just a fact

 

Also, your baseball card is worth about a penny in mint condition. Go suck a lemon Ducey

Why so mad??? You cant handle it if someone has a different opinion than yours??

[BTS]

I disagree. We couldve had a contender going into 2016, 2017 and 2018 if we kept him.

Jays didnt build on their 2015 success because they are cheap

 

The Jays payroll in 2017 was over 170M. It would have been over 200M with Price. He started 11-games and was worth 1-2 wins. Toronto won 76 games.

 

It would have taken a payroll of like 300M to get the 2017 or 2018 teams to the playoffs, and David Price would have barely moved the needle.

[Captain Adama]

I disagree. We couldve had a contender going into 2016, 2017 and 2018 if we kept him.

Jays didnt build on their 2015 success because they are cheap

 

Lol not sure I agree with you there

[Ex Player]

The Jays payroll in 2017 was over 170M. It would have been over 200M with Price. He started 11-games and was worth 1-2 wins. Toronto won 76 games.

 

It would have taken a payroll of like 300M to get the 2017 or 2018 teams to the playoffs, and David Price would have barely moved the needle

Didnt Price also win the world series the next year with Sox, and wasnt he also one of the best pitchers throughout the playoffs?? (if not the best)

[Captain Adama]

Didnt Price also win the world series the next year with Sox, and wasnt he also one of the best pitchers throughout the playoffs?? (if not the best)

 

Lmao, do you actually think Price was the main reason that the Red Sox won the world series?

[BTS]

Didnt Price also win the world series the next year with Sox, and wasnt he also one of the best pitchers throughout the playoffs?? (if not the best)

 

1. Yes

2. No

 

I’m not sure of the relevance of either question though.

[Ex Player]

Lmao, do you actually think Price was the main reason that the Red Sox won the world series?

No, but it sure didnt hurt.

 

Anyways, look at the product the Jays have on the field right now?? We have a horrible team!

Do you see any high priced free agents Shaprio/Atkins signed over the last 4 years??

Do you think they will sign any in the next few years?? (assuming they still have a job)

[Ex Player]

By the way, Jays payroll is 22 out of 30: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

 

Does that look the spending of a big market team to you guys??

[Jimcanuck]

By the way, Jays payroll is 22 out of 30: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

 

Does that look the spending of a big market team to you guys??

 

It's too early to be spending big on free agents. The time for that is when the team has a good complement of cost controlled regulars.... headed there with Vlad, Jansen, Bichette, Pearson, etc

 

Jays front office decided a rebuild was needed. You can agree or disagree with that decision, most here agree with it.

[wilko]

Didnt Price also win the world series the next year with Sox, and wasnt he also one of the best pitchers throughout the playoffs?? (if not the best)

 

So David Price is the only reason the Red Sox won the World Series? Their payroll was $227 Million that year. Blue Jays was $150. You're comparing one, if not the biggest market teams to the Jay's.

[Deadpool]

So where's these facts? Rumours were Toronto offered more at the time, he selected the Bosox.

 

Honestly, I'm glad he didn't sign here, that's not a contract I would want. He's still a top pitcher, but the risks are WAY too extreme (and he's shown why in his BoSox tenure).

[Spanky99]

Honestly, I'm glad he didn't sign here, that's not a contract I would want. He's still a top pitcher, but the risks are WAY too extreme (and he's shown why in his BoSox tenure).

 

Yeah, I mentioned that earlier, plus we'd be stuck with an albatross of a contract.

[Deadpool]

I disagree. We couldve had a contender going into 2016, 2017 and 2018 if we kept him.

Jays didnt build on their 2015 success because they are cheap

 

David Price pitched in 16 games for the 2017 Red Sox. For $30M.

 

He averaged 1.9 fWAR / season from 2017 to 2018 for a total of $60M

 

That's not smart use of money.

[xposbrad]

It's too early to be spending big on free agents. The time for that is when the team has a good complement of cost controlled regulars.... headed there with Vlad, Jansen, Bichette, Pearson, etc

 

Jays front office decided a rebuild was needed. You can agree or disagree with that decision, most here agree with it.

 

Also, they need to see just how good they end up being. Jansen is still worth negative WAR this year and Vladdy is still getting adjusted and isn't putting up huge numbers like some other rookies so far this year. You never know how players perform in the majors regardless of how good they are in the minors. If the young guys don't end up being actually good, I think management might hold off on big spending and will keep trying to cycle in young guys until some hopefully break out. It might not even be the prospects getting all the attention, could be others.

[Deadpool]

By the way, Jays payroll is 22 out of 30: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

 

Does that look the spending of a big market team to you guys??

 

It's a rebuilding year, one of the best thing that the Jays have going for them right now is that they have very few commitments on the books so they can spend on decent FAs and make trades to get guys with bigger contracts.

 

Actually... Sorry, the BEST thing the Jays have going for them is their stocked as f*** farm system, the second best thing is how much payroll flexibility they have.

[Spanky99]

By the way, Jays payroll is 22 out of 30: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

 

Does that look the spending of a big market team to you guys??

 

They're rebuilding, it will be less next season with guys coming off the books.

[Orgfiller]

Didnt Price also win the world series the next year with Sox, and wasnt he also one of the best pitchers throughout the playoffs?? (if not the best)

 

David Price in the 2018 playoffs:

 

26 IP, 7.96 K/9, 4.15 BB/9, 10.4 K-BB%, 3.46 ERA/4.78 FIP/4.87 xFIP

 

Oh yeah, they totally couldn't have done it without him. David Price was definitely the reason why the Red Sox won the World Series in 2018, not like Joe Kelly who didn't give up a run in 11 innings with 13 strikeouts and no walks, or Nate Eovaldi who once pitched like 4 games in a row and had a 2.71 FIP, or Chris Sale and his 24 strikeouts over 15 innings.

 

But yeah, it was David Price. THE BEST PITCHER THROUGHOUT THE PLAYOFFS, who lead them to glory.

[wk680]

They're rebuilding, it will be less next season with guys coming off the books.

 

Yeah on that link the current Jays 25 man roster ($51 M) is only higher than 3 teams (Pirates, Orioles and Rays). And that is barely higher than the listed $48M of dead money

[Ex Player]

David Price in the 2018 playoffs:

 

26 IP, 7.96 K/9, 4.15 BB/9, 10.4 K-BB%, 3.46 ERA/4.78 FIP/4.87 xFIP

 

Oh yeah, they totally couldn't have done it without him. David Price was definitely the reason why the Red Sox won the World Series in 2018, not like Joe Kelly who didn't give up a run in 11 innings with 13 strikeouts and no walks, or Nate Eovaldi who once pitched like 4 games in a row and had a 2.71 FIP, or Chris Sale and his 24 strikeouts over 15 innings.

 

But yeah, it was David Price. THE BEST PITCHER THROUGHOUT THE PLAYOFFS, who lead them to glory

Those stats are misleading because it was one inning against NYC where he gave up 3 runs.

Throughout the rest of the playoffs his record was excellent: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/priceda01.shtml

 

3.38 ERA against Houston, and when it really counted he was Mr. Clutch, 2-0 against Dodgers with an ERA of 1.98.

If you dont think that was a major contributor in the BoSox win the WS then you are kidding yourself

[Ex Player]

It's a rebuilding year, one of the best thing that the Jays have going for them right now is that they have very few commitments on the books so they can spend on decent FAs and make trades to get guys with bigger contracts

I actually somewhat agree with you, maybe right now is not the time to spend large on FA's.

But I have serious doubts whether Shapiro will spend big when the time is right in the next few years (assuming the rebuild goes well)

[Ex Player]

So David Price is the only reason the Red Sox won the World Series? Their payroll was $227 Million that year. Blue Jays was $150. You're comparing one, if not the biggest market teams to the Jay's

Here is the sad part, the Blue Jays are a big market team, they have an entire country of 35 million people behind them.

They just arent spending like a big market team, at least not under Rogers over the last 19 years

[Captain Adama]

Those stats are misleading because it was one inning against NYC where he gave up 3 runs.

Throughout the rest of the playoffs his record was excellent: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/priceda01.shtml

 

3.38 ERA against Houston, and when it really counted he was Mr. Clutch, 2-0 against Dodgers with an ERA of 1.98.

If you dont think that was a major contributor in the BoSox win the WS then you are kidding yourself

 

Yeah if you take out his worse outing in the playoffs his ERA does look better! Blows my mind!

[mikepelfrey]

Here is the sad part, the Blue Jays are a big market team, they have an entire country of 35 million people behind them.

They just arent spending like a big market team, at least not under Rogers over the last 19 years

 

correct. this is what pisses me off about SOME delusional toronto fans. the Blue Jays have the biggest Market in all of baseball, by far.

 

in Hockey the fans act like they are the largest market when in fact the market is smaller than in baseball because in hockey there are 6 other franchises in canada.

 

in baseball the very first team to draw 4 million was Toronto, so why do Some Toronto fans always resort to the Poor mouth excuse?

[tbad]

Can someone pls light Gurriel's hair on fire?

[Brownie19]

Ducey - great job of taking my advice of reading and listening to those on this board...too stubborn I guess. This is pretty sad man.

[Todd]

These young kids on the jays are playing pretty good. With other prospects on the way the team has a very bright future.

One of the biggest issues that I see is pitching and the outfield. Every body says Alford is the closes to making the team.

But after seven years with the team he is a big bust. With the draft coming up the jays should center the first 12 rounds

on pitching and the outfield, as well as first base. The infield is deep as hell. After first base.

With Jordan Groshans, Kevin Smith if he can find his grove again, Orelvis Martinez, Miguel Hiraldo, Santiago Espinal,

Watch out for Cullen Large.

Don't get me wrong we have pitching like Nate Pearson, Eric Pardinho, Adam Klienstein, Josh Winckowski, kid to watch this year will be William Gaston but this team needs more.

Some people on here say trade prospects to get starting pitching, sign free agent pitchers. drafting them and developing them is so

much better. For this team in Canada drafting them is way better. Control is the way to go.

[John_Havok]

These young kids on the jays are playing pretty good. With other prospects on the way the team has a very bright future.

One of the biggest issues that I see is pitching and the outfield. Every body says Alford is the closes to making the team.

But after seven years with the team he is a big bust. With the draft coming up the jays should center the first 12 rounds

on pitching and the outfield, as well as first base. The infield is deep as hell. After first base.

With Jordan Groshans, Kevin Smith if he can find his grove again, Orelvis Martinez, Miguel Hiraldo, Santiago Espinal,

Watch out for Cullen Large.

Don't get me wrong we have pitching like Nate Pearson, Eric Pardinho, Adam Klienstein, Josh Winckowski, kid to watch this year will be William Gaston but this team needs more.

Some people on here say trade prospects to get starting pitching, sign free agent pitchers. drafting them and developing them is so

much better. For this team in Canada drafting them is way better. Control is the way to go.

 

Can I get a scouting report on Kleinstein? Never heard of him

[Krylian]

Can I get a scouting report on Kleinstein? Never heard of him

 

Seconded.

[Ex Player]

Ryan Tepera underwent elbow surgery on the elbow of his pitching arm