Rule 5 Draft thread...

[Carlos Danger]

Why can't he fall back on starting next season in the minors?

 

Rule 5... If not on MLB roster we have to return.

[Abomination]

Why can't he fall back on starting next season in the minors?

 

He can, but realistically it probably does set him back since he could be on an innings limit then (plus will likely have less development of secondary stuff for a year). It's not a huge deal though, really no worse than an injury in that respect.

[Carlos Danger]

Why can't he fall back on starting next season in the minors?

 

I am confused, are you talking about next season as in 2020, or 2019?

[TheHurl]

"By the day I turned 18 in 1945, I had already stormed the beaches of Normandy, killed 2 Nazis with my bare hands

 

- Some old guy- (might have been TheHurl, not sure).

 

I was on the Axis Power side.

[Spanky99]

I am confused, are you talking about next season as in 2020, or 2019?

 

'20

[Spanky99]

He can, but realistically it probably does set him back since he could be on an innings limit then (plus will likely have less development of secondary stuff for a year). It's not a huge deal though, really no worse than an injury in that respect.

 

Or not, he's really young.

[Spanky99]

Rule 5... If not on MLB roster we have to return.

 

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/06/you-dont-say.gif

[Carlos Danger]

'20

 

Cool.

[Bobthe4th]

Yeah, I don't understand why people think development will stall if he's on the MLB team. Spending a season throwing low-leverage innings against the best hitters in the world, will also being taught by MLB pitchers and the organization's best coaches isn't exactly catastrophic for development.

 

And he at least has an off-speed pitch and control of an upper 90's fastball. It's not exactly a given that he'd get knocked around the park every time he pitches.

 

Because there’s a good chance he’ll get destroyed every time he pitches which in the past has f***ed up much older and more experienced pitchers.

[Brownie19]

Because there’s a good chance he’ll get destroyed every time he pitches which in the past has f***ed up much older and more experienced pitchers.

 

IMO - that a common, yet big assumption. It's the type of thing that dinosaur commentators have been saying on TV for decades. Could it be true? It could, but you don't know that. The more experienced pitchers who we assume were mentally f***ed up because they were 'rushed' to the majors - they might have just sucked at baseball...

[Bobthe4th]

IMO - that a common, yet big assumption. It's the type of thing that dinosaur commentators have been saying on TV for decades. Could it be true? It could, but you don't know that. The more experienced pitchers who we assume were mentally f***ed up because they were 'rushed' to the majors - they might have just sucked at baseball...

 

Well of course everyone is different, but it's just common sense that a 18 year getting promoted super early and then doing badly could be negatively affected mentally.

 

TBF we're already seeing a shift in mentality for elite hitting prospects needing less development time.

[wamco]

Move is only defended as the jays did it. Otherwise, the piss poor asset management around the rule V draft would be villified

[Grant77]

Move is only defended as the jays did it. Otherwise, the piss poor asset management around the rule V draft would be villified

 

Taking a chance on a pitcher for 50k isn't what I would call piss poor asset management.

[Laika]

Taking a chance on a pitcher for 50k isn't what I would call piss poor asset management.

 

He's talking about not protecting Romano and Bergen, but selecting this baby

[Bobthe4th]

Taking a chance on a pitcher for 50k isn't what I would call piss poor asset management.

 

Assume he means not protecting Romano / Bergen.

[Grant77]

Assume he means not protecting Romano / Bergen.

 

That could have been resolved by releasing Tulo earlier or designating a player like Davis, Drake, or Pompey. I don't think the Luciano selection signifies poor asset management in and of itself.

 

Also, if both players are returned then I would argue that it was very good asset management. We'll have to see what happens.

[Bobthe4th]

That could have been resolved by releasing Tulo earlier or designating a player like Davis, Drake, or Pompey. I don't think the Luciano selection signifies poor asset management in and of itself.

 

Also, if both players are returned then I would argue that it was very good asset management. We'll have to see what happens.

 

Yeah absolutely, and losing either isn’t the end of the world either.

[metafour]

Move is only defended as the jays did it. Otherwise, the piss poor asset management around the rule V draft would be villified

 

The dozens of people who are employed by this organization to see these prospects on a daily basis didn't feel that the two we lost were significant enough assets to protect. Whether or not they were right or wrong is to be determined, but don't be one of those morons who thinks he knows more about obscure prospects in the organization (that you've likely never seen for any significant portion of time) than the team itself. Newsflash: you don't, and neither does MLB.com, BA, or John Sickels. I can guarantee you that they didn't make a mistake and "forget" to protect Romano or Bergen; they didn't make the necessary moves beforehand because they didn't feel it was worthwhile to place them on the 40-man roster.

[glory]

Yeah not sure why people are so upset at not protecting Romano and Bergen. This front office hoards prospects like crazy. You think they would have let two go if they felt they were worth keeping around? They just took a 18 year old in the Rule 5 with the intention of keeping him on the 25 man roster all year just so they could try to develop him the following year if all goes well. They were in a pennant race and still found a way to add McGuire and Ramirez at the trade deadline just to add depth to the system. Look maybe they end up being wrong about Romano and Bergen, anything can happen, but to suggest it was bad asset management is a very dubious claim. They probably just don't see much in those guys, or didn't mind taking the risk of losing them versus some of the players they ended up protecting. At the end of the day it's two relievers. Not going to hurt the rebuild.

[Ray]

That could have been resolved by releasing Tulo earlier or designating a player like Davis, Drake, or Pompey. I don't think the Luciano selection signifies poor asset management in and of itself.

 

Also, if both players are returned then I would argue that it was very good asset management. We'll have to see what happens.

 

Agreed. If we added Bergen and Romano to the 40-man and had to take them off it, then they'd be gone for good if a team claimed them. At least this way there's, a chance of getting them back.

[Terminator]

The Romano's and Bergen's of the world exist everywhere and all the time. Old for their level AA pitchers that could become decent relievers. Big whoop.

 

I like that the Jays are trying to exploit the system (Elvis' contract situation is the only reason a guy like him was exposed) by taking an actual 18 year old prospect with upside. Elvis could become a #3 starting pitcher. Romano wasn't even a very effective #3 SP in AA at age 25.

[glory]

Agreed. If we added Bergen and Romano to the 40-man and had to take them off it, then they'd be gone for good if a team claimed them. At least this way there's, a chance of getting them back.

 

Yeah that's the other thing. You can't have too many prospects on the 40 man because you need to fill a 25 man roster. So adding Bergen and Romano, and then having to remove them because you signed a few FA's, or because you had to replace the talent that were taken off to add Bergen/Romano in the first place just creates more problems.

 

What Shatkins needs to do is more Cashman type of trades. Take some excess fringe 40 man roster types and trade them for something. International space, equally fringey talent who don't need protection, etc. Makes life a bit easier.

[Ray]

What Shatkins needs to do is more Cashman type of trades. Take some excess fringe 40 man roster types and trade them for something. International space, equally fringey talent who don't need protection, etc. Makes life a bit easier.

 

I'm extremely excited to see what trades this front office will pull off when we are actually competitive.

[wamco]

The dozens of people who are employed by this organization to see these prospects on a daily basis didn't feel that the two we lost were significant enough assets to protect. Whether or not they were right or wrong is to be determined, but don't be one of those morons who thinks he knows more about obscure prospects in the organization (that you've likely never seen for any significant portion of time) than the team itself. Newsflash: you don't, and neither does MLB.com, BA, or John Sickels. I can guarantee you that they didn't make a mistake and "forget" to protect Romano or Bergen; they didn't make the necessary moves beforehand because they didn't feel it was worthwhile to place them on the 40-man roster.

 

Doesn’t take a moron to see that tulo and solarte shouldn’t have been protected over the 2 we lost. That’s awful asset management.

[Captain Adama]

Doesn’t take a moron to see that tulo and solarte shouldn’t have been protected over the 2 we lost. That’s awful asset management.

 

You mean losing Romano and Bergen?

 

You have a really loose definition of "asset."

[Krylian]

You mean losing Romano and Bergen?

 

You have a really loose definition of "asset."

 

Please stop quoting wamco. Life is so much better when I don't see his posts.

[King]

 

stroman doesn't approve

[Brownie19]

 

stroman doesn't approve

 

His response was "No one realizes what this guy does for the younger players working their way up. Appreciate you man @MStrooo6"

[Spanky99]

Atkins on Elvis Luciano...

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/ross-atkins-gives-glowing-review-jays-rule-5-draft-pick/

[wamco]

You mean losing Romano and Bergen?

 

You have a really loose definition of "asset."

 

Defend protecting tulo and solarte over them