Offseason Roster Thread

[BTS]

Non-tender deadline tomorrow. Surely Solarte is finally getting the boot.

[Carlos Danger]

Non-tender deadline tomorrow. Surely Solarte is finally getting the boot.

 

A boot time Eh!

[King]

The Mariners are going to bad for a long, long time. This is a team with almost no prospects and they are stripping it down at the MLB level too.

 

Yikes

[Spanky__99]

The Mariners are going to bad for a long, long time. This is a team with almost no prospects and they are stripping it down at the MLB level too.

 

Yikes

 

They got some nice pieces, now! lol

[BTS]

Heyman reporting that Jays are in on Keuchel.

[Grant77]

Heyman reporting that Jays are in on Keuchel.

 

Please no...

[baubau]

Heyman reporting that Jays are in on Keuchel.

 

Just the usual off season Jay's click bait news by Heyman. When was the last time he was right about Jay's news? I still remeber Donaldson calling him out.

[BTS]

Keuchel expected to get like 4/80. I think he'd be a great signing at that price.

[BTS]

BNS clowning on Heyman lol

[Dick_Pole]

Keuchel expected to get like 4/80. I think he'd be a great signing at that price.

 

That is a very reasonable contract to take on given the payroll flexibility and team needs. Even if he crashes and burns, what else would the Jays spend on between now and when the young guys start getting paid?

 

A good Keuchel during those four years could be the difference between an 87 versus 90 win season in 2020-22. A bad Keuchel is a waste of $20M annually which creates the inability to do a Liriano deal this year and as far as the other three years...well, you just hope some douche on this board in 2021 doesn't link back to December 2018 comments on how we thought signing Keuchel was a good idea.

[Grant77]

I think Happ will be a better pitcher than Keuchel at a shorter term and lower salary.

[BTS]

That is a very reasonable contract to take on given the payroll flexibility and team needs. Even if he crashes and burns, what else would the Jays spend on between now and when the young guys start getting paid?

 

A good Keuchel during those four years could be the difference between an 87 versus 90 win season in 2020-22. A bad Keuchel is a waste of $20M annually which creates the inability to do a Liriano deal this year and as far as the other three years...well, you just hope some douche on this board in 2021 doesn't link back to December 2018 comments on how we thought signing Keuchel was a good idea.

 

I just don't like the idea of punting the 2019 season before it starts. We've seen teams like Oakland and TB compete in the AL largely by ensuring that everyone on the 25-man is contributing wins and not playing at sub-replacement level. With Vlad coming in April and what has become quite a deep 40-man roster, there's no reason not to try to win as many game as possible without borrowing too much from the future. Keuchel at his projected salary would allow them to do that.

[Jimcanuck]

Jays would need to do a lot more than Keuchel to have a reasonable shot at WC2 IMO.

 

The other reason for signing him and making other moves would be (1) to avoid having the Vladitos and Bichettes coming into a 100 loss club, (2) make TO more attractive as a player destination.

 

Keuchel at 4/80 is not too bad, most likely any negative value in the 3rd and 4th years would be minor.

[Carlos Danger]

I just don't like the idea of punting the 2019 season before it starts. We've seen teams like Oakland and TB compete in the AL largely by ensuring that everyone on the 25-man is contributing wins and not playing at sub-replacement level. With Vlad coming in April and what has become quite a deep 40-man roster, there's no reason not to try to win as many game as possible without borrowing too much from the future. Keuchel at his projected salary would allow them to do that.

 

2018 Braves.. Perfect example. Everyone said their window to start competing was 2019.

 

If the FO has the attitude we wont win, how do you expect the players to believe they can win.

 

The FO can set the tone. I think AA did a really good job of that and was able to still balance the future with winning in 2018.

[BTS]

Jays would need to do a lot more than Keuchel to have a reasonable shot at WC2 IMO.

 

The other reason for signing him and making other moves would be (1) to avoid having the Vladitos and Bichettes coming into a 100 loss club, (2) make TO more attractive as a player destination.

 

Keuchel at 4/80 is not too bad, most likely any negative value in the 3rd and 4th years would be minor.

 

The Mariners just won 89 games. The Rays won 90 games and their best position players were Joey Wendle and Mallex Smith. The A's won 97 games and got above average seasons from 0 starting pitchers. Teams can have a lot more warts than we think and still make noise. Would anyone actually be surprised if the team won 88 games next year after signing, say, Keuchel and Happ? I wouldn't be at all surprised about that outcome.

[Terminator]

Keuchel at 4 for 80 million would not be a bad deal at all. 20 million AAV seems like a lot but it isn't what it used to be. I think it'd be a very solid Russell Martin-like deal where years 1 and 2 would provide some nice surplus value and the final year wouldn't be that big of a disaster.

 

The only question for me is the timing right. I'd almost prefer they wait a season before signing a deal like this.

[Ray]

I'm all aboard the "spend money or else it just stays in Rogers' bank account" train but I think 4/80M for Keuchel is basically almost Corbin money, and I'd way rather do that.

 

But I'm definitely the low guy on Keuchel. That guy is throwing with below average velocity and can't get strikes in the zone. He's relying completely on framing and O-Swing which is just death IMO.

 

Agreed. If you really want to give a starter $20M per year, I’d rather tack on an extra year and get Patrick Corbin. I’d also much rather have Happ back than Keuchel.

[z3r0s]

What do you all think about trying to Seager + Haniger or Segrua out of Seattle? MLBTR is talking about the M's basically giving Seager away or packaging him with one of the above to help move him.

 

Seager is a decent bounce back candidate given he put up 1.6 WAR last year while having his worst batting year by quite a bit. Projects for 2.6+ WAR next year, and is pretty recently a 4-ish WAR guy.

 

Contract is a little under 20M for the next 3 years. Pretty easy to see a situation where he gives some surplus value. And if you can get one of those other dudes for a better price, might be worth the gamble. Plus Seattle is really dumb

[jays4life19]

What do you all think about trying to Seager + Haniger or Segrua out of Seattle? MLBTR is talking about the M's basically giving Seager away or packaging him with one of the above to help move him.

 

Seager is a decent bounce back candidate given he put up 1.6 WAR last year while having his worst batting year by quite a bit. Projects for 2.6+ WAR next year, and is pretty recently a 4-ish WAR guy.

 

Contract is a little under 20M for the next 3 years. Pretty easy to see a situation where he gives some surplus value. And if you can get one of those other dudes for a better price, might be worth the gamble. Plus Seattle is really dumb

 

Where would Seager play here?

[BTS]

Where would Seager play here?

 

Third

[z3r0s]

Where would Seager play here?

 

3rd base of course...

 

If anyone is going into this season thinking we NEED to play Vladdy at 3B, I don't understand why. The best scouting reports on him say that he "might even be able to play a passable 3rd for a few seasons". Seager is a legit good defensive 3b.

[BTS]

3rd base of course...

 

If anyone is going into this season thinking we NEED to play Vladdy at 3B, I don't understand why. The best scouting reports on him say that he "might even be able to play a passable 3rd for a few seasons". Seager is a legit good defensive 3b.

 

I don’t get it either. There’s no reason to force his fat ass to 3rd given that he’ll almost certainly be a very bad defender.

[Boxcar]

What do you all think about trying to Seager + Haniger or Segrua out of Seattle? MLBTR is talking about the M's basically giving Seager away or packaging him with one of the above to help move him.

 

Seager is a decent bounce back candidate given he put up 1.6 WAR last year while having his worst batting year by quite a bit. Projects for 2.6+ WAR next year, and is pretty recently a 4-ish WAR guy.

 

Contract is a little under 20M for the next 3 years. Pretty easy to see a situation where he gives some surplus value. And if you can get one of those other dudes for a better price, might be worth the gamble. Plus Seattle is really dumb

 

Sign me up for a Seager/Segura combo

[Boxcar]

I don’t get it either. There’s no reason to force his fat ass to 3rd given that he’ll almost certainly be a very bad defender.

 

*Thicc ass

[jays4life19]

I feel like almost every report by a scout who goes to watch Vlad expects him to be bad at 3rd because of his size but they come away impressed. Almost every report i read from the AFL had good things to say about Vlad's work at 3B.

[Boxcar]

There's no reason to move Vlad off 3rd without giving him a year there. It's pathetic to think a 20 year old will be too fat to play the position.

 

But you also can't turn away a clear defensive upgrade if it falls in your lap.

[Jimcanuck]

The Mariners just won 89 games. The Rays won 90 games and their best position players were Joey Wendle and Mallex Smith. The A's won 97 games and got above average seasons from 0 starting pitchers. Teams can have a lot more warts than we think and still make noise. Would anyone actually be surprised if the team won 88 games next year after signing, say, Keuchel and Happ? I wouldn't be at all surprised about that outcome.

 

Jays spent 20 years with this kind of thinking, but that was before WC2 I guess.

[Boxcar]

Well there are a lot of defensive upgrades out there in that case. You could play Drury there and call it a defensive upgrade. I don't know why we would pay money to upgrade 3B defence and definitively give up the chance to accrue positional surplus value from Vlad in the future.

 

I think I would only do this if the M's gave us Haniger (even if we had to kick in prospects).

 

But taking Seager and giving up on Vlad at 3B seems like two negatives. Unless you think we can win a WS next year.

 

You're not giving up on Vlad at 3b. Just because you install Seager there doesn't mean 3b is blocked forever. Comparing Seager and Drury doesn't really seem fair at all.

[jaysblue]

Seager can still bounce back IMO and would be a great buy low. Plus hitting at the Rogers Centre versus Safeco Field will benefit him more.

 

It's unfortunate he can't go back to playing second base, but would welcome him as a 3B even with Vlad in the fold.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

There's no reason to move Vlad off 3rd without giving him a year there. It's pathetic to think a 20 year old will be too fat to play the position.

 

I disagree.

 

If we can move all star Smoak for something, then not only can we give Tellez a shot at 1B to start 2019 (he'll probably fail), but then the FO can justify keeping Vald down until even after June to play/work on 1B to avoid the super two thing.

 

And what if Tellez continues to crank it?

 

Man, I want Morales gone. Tellez and Hernandez could play DH until other roster moves become necessary.

 

And then we'd have Seager at 3B, which would be really nice.