Billy Mckinney top comparables

[Carlos Danger]

This. The days of s***** hitters like Ben Revere hitting lead off are gone (thankfully)

 

What part of Revere's offense was s***** for a lead off hitter when he was with the Blue Jays???

[Orgfiller]

What part of Revere's offense was s***** for a lead off hitter when he was with the Blue Jays???

 

The fact that he was an average hitter getting the most plate appearances in a stacked lineup.

[BTS]

What part of Revere's offense was s***** for a lead off hitter when he was with the Blue Jays???

 

The Blue Jays lost game 6 of the ALCS by 1 run. Ben Revere had 5 plate appearances. Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion had 4 each.

[Carlos Danger]

The fact that he was an average hitter getting the most plate appearances in a stacked lineup.

 

Average by what standard? .318 BA and a .357 OBP... and low Ks.. is bad?

 

What some people seem to forget is that before Bautistas HR in game 5 of the ALDS, Martin to his credit put the ball in play and was fast down the line. Then they had a speedster going down the line in Rivera who put the ball in play.. Then a speedster in to PR broke up possible double play at the plate.

 

In game 3 of the 2016 ALDS Martin put the ball in play, even thought it was a tailor made DP ball, and to his credit again hustled down the line rushing Odor.. allowing Donaldson to come home.

 

We lost a lot of one run games because our offense was one dimensional and when we were not hitting a HR, we had a hard time manufacturing a run. The percentages of a fast guy getting on with a single, stealing 2b, getting bunted over and coming into score on a sac fly are much higher than a guy hitting a HR or two guys hitting two doubles etc.. Especially when even the best hitters get out 7 out of 10 times and only the elite HR hitters will get a Hr in more than 30% of the games during a 162 game season (assuming 50 Hrs hit over different games).

 

What stats are you using to say Ben Revere was a bad hitter with the Blue Jays? OPS? EE and JB were horrible in the 2016 ACLS. In the 2015 ACLS we had all the HR hitters but KC was able to manufacture more runs and killed us with singles and doing the little things..

 

I believe you need a balanced attack and speed never slumps, putting the ball in play and low Ks has a lot of benefits that end up adding up.

[Spanky__99]

[John_Havok]

Average by what standard? .318 BA and a .357 OBP... and low Ks.. is bad?

 

What some people seem to forget is that before Bautistas HR in game 5 of the ALDS, Martin to his credit put the ball in play and was fast down the line. Then they had a speedster going down the line in Rivera who put the ball in play.. Then a speedster in to PR broke up possible double play at the plate.

 

In game 3 of the 2016 ALDS Martin put the ball in play, even thought it was a tailor made DP ball, and to his credit again hustled down the line rushing Odor.. allowing Donaldson to come home.

 

We lost a lot of one run games because our offense was one dimensional and when we were not hitting a HR, we had a hard time manufacturing a run. The percentages of a fast guy getting on with a single, stealing 2b, getting bunted over and coming into score on a sac fly are much higher than a guy hitting a HR or two guys hitting two doubles etc.. Especially when even the best hitters get out 7 out of 10 times and only the elite HR hitters will get a Hr in more than 30% of the games during a 162 game season (assuming 50 Hrs hit over different games).

 

What stats are you using to say Ben Revere was a bad hitter with the Blue Jays? OPS? EE and JB were horrible in the 2016 ACLS. In the 2015 ACLS we had all the HR hitters but KC was able to manufacture more runs and killed us with singles and doing the little things..

 

I believe you need a balanced attack and speed never slumps, putting the ball in play and low Ks has a lot of benefits that end up adding up.

 

Thanks Harold Reynolds.

[Captain Adama]

Average by what standard? .318 BA and a .357 OBP... and low Ks.. is bad?

 

What some people seem to forget is that before Bautistas HR in game 5 of the ALDS, Martin to his credit put the ball in play and was fast down the line. Then they had a speedster going down the line in Rivera who put the ball in play.. Then a speedster in to PR broke up possible double play at the plate.

 

In game 3 of the 2016 ALDS Martin put the ball in play, even thought it was a tailor made DP ball, and to his credit again hustled down the line rushing Odor.. allowing Donaldson to come home.

 

We lost a lot of one run games because our offense was one dimensional and when we were not hitting a HR, we had a hard time manufacturing a run. The percentages of a fast guy getting on with a single, stealing 2b, getting bunted over and coming into score on a sac fly are much higher than a guy hitting a HR or two guys hitting two doubles etc.. Especially when even the best hitters get out 7 out of 10 times and only the elite HR hitters will get a Hr in more than 30% of the games during a 162 game season (assuming 50 Hrs hit over different games).

 

What stats are you using to say Ben Revere was a bad hitter with the Blue Jays? OPS? EE and JB were horrible in the 2016 ACLS. In the 2015 ACLS we had all the HR hitters but KC was able to manufacture more runs and killed us with singles and doing the little things..

 

I believe you need a balanced attack and speed never slumps, putting the ball in play and low Ks has a lot of benefits that end up adding up.

 

This point here is such a ******** one and you should feel bad for making it.

[Orgfiller]

Saying that by far the best offense in the league lost a lot of games because they didn't hit enough singles and bunted over runners has got to be one of the worst narratives ever. Second in BB%, 5th lowest K% - another common argument is that the hitters were swinging to the fences all the time leading to too many strikeouts - 1st in ISO, 11th in SB which isn't even bad for a slugging team. 1st in runs scored by a landslide, but an inability to become slap hitters in the playoffs was ultimately our demise, what a moronic argument.

[Jimcanuck]

Average by what standard? .318 BA and a .357 OBP... and low Ks.. is bad?

 

What some people seem to forget is that before Bautistas HR in game 5 of the ALDS, Martin to his credit put the ball in play and was fast down the line. Then they had a speedster going down the line in Rivera who put the ball in play.. Then a speedster in to PR broke up possible double play at the plate.

 

In game 3 of the 2016 ALDS Martin put the ball in play, even thought it was a tailor made DP ball, and to his credit again hustled down the line rushing Odor.. allowing Donaldson to come home.

 

We lost a lot of one run games because our offense was one dimensional and when we were not hitting a HR, we had a hard time manufacturing a run. The percentages of a fast guy getting on with a single, stealing 2b, getting bunted over and coming into score on a sac fly are much higher than a guy hitting a HR or two guys hitting two doubles etc.. Especially when even the best hitters get out 7 out of 10 times and only the elite HR hitters will get a Hr in more than 30% of the games during a 162 game season (assuming 50 Hrs hit over different games).

 

What stats are you using to say Ben Revere was a bad hitter with the Blue Jays? OPS? EE and JB were horrible in the 2016 ACLS. In the 2015 ACLS we had all the HR hitters but KC was able to manufacture more runs and killed us with singles and doing the little things..

 

I believe you need a balanced attack and speed never slumps, putting the ball in play and low Ks has a lot of benefits that end up adding up.

 

There's like 50 things wrong with this post.

[Boxcar]

This point here is such a ******** one and you should feel bad for making it.

 

You probably shouldn't give him the idea that the rest was really any better.

[Olerud363]

Saying that by far the best offense in the league lost a lot of games because they didn't hit enough singles and bunted over runners has got to be one of the worst narratives ever. Second in BB%, 5th lowest K% - another common argument is that the hitters were swinging to the fences all the time leading to too many strikeouts - 1st in ISO, 11th in SB which isn't even bad for a slugging team. 1st in runs scored by a landslide, but an inability to become slap hitters in the playoffs was ultimately our demise, what a moronic argument.

 

Ben Revere almost ended the 2015 season three times, two times he was rescued by his team mates. The third time no one could bail him out. Ben Revere destroyed our hopes, our dreams, our destiny.

 

Aug 14th 2015 - https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR201508140.shtml

 

Ben Revere faced Andrew Miller in the bottom of the 9th with 1 out and a man on third. He struck out. Under most circumstances this devestating loss against the NY Yankees would of ended the season, but somehow the Jays rebounded and finished strong.

 

Oct 14th 2015 - Revere single handedly almost ended the run again, with none out and the based loaded he grounded out weekly. A devastating event, that devestated an entire country. The effect on the other hitters was obvious, as a stunned Donaldson subsequently hit a week popup that barely made it over Odor's head. Only Jose Bautista, in one of his last at bats as "Jose Bautista" salvaged the situation.

 

Oct 23rd, 2015 - With 1 out in the 9th, Revere had a chance to tie the game, or put the Jays ahead. He struck out, and that was that. The country defalated, his team mates defalated, and it was all over. Three times Revere failed catastrophically, two times other legends bailed him out, but alas 2015, which should of ended in a World Series win was over...

 

It was over for one reason...

 

Ben Revere.

[LGBJ29]

Average by what standard? .318 BA and a .357 OBP... and low Ks.. is bad?

 

What some people seem to forget is that before Bautistas HR in game 5 of the ALDS, Martin to his credit put the ball in play and was fast down the line. Then they had a speedster going down the line in Rivera who put the ball in play.. Then a speedster in to PR broke up possible double play at the plate.

 

In game 3 of the 2016 ALDS Martin put the ball in play, even thought it was a tailor made DP ball, and to his credit again hustled down the line rushing Odor.. allowing Donaldson to come home.

 

We lost a lot of one run games because our offense was one dimensional and when we were not hitting a HR, we had a hard time manufacturing a run. The percentages of a fast guy getting on with a single, stealing 2b, getting bunted over and coming into score on a sac fly are much higher than a guy hitting a HR or two guys hitting two doubles etc.. Especially when even the best hitters get out 7 out of 10 times and only the elite HR hitters will get a Hr in more than 30% of the games during a 162 game season (assuming 50 Hrs hit over different games).

 

What stats are you using to say Ben Revere was a bad hitter with the Blue Jays? OPS? EE and JB were horrible in the 2016 ACLS. In the 2015 ACLS we had all the HR hitters but KC was able to manufacture more runs and killed us with singles and doing the little things..

 

I believe you need a balanced attack and speed never slumps, putting the ball in play and low Ks has a lot of benefits that end up adding up.

 

Someone should make this entire thing their signature

[Sorrow]

I tried LGBJ29 but the max signautre can only be two lines. The inhumanity to allow such a great signature not to exist is heart breaking.

[Olerud363]

I tried LGBJ29 but the max signautre can only be two lines. The inhumanity to allow such a great signature not to exist is heart breaking.

 

Just to keep things on topic here is the Revere Mckinney correlation score

 

Speed Revere 12/10 - Mckinney 4/10 - correlation .33

Power Revere -1/10 - Mckinney 8/10 - correlation -.125

(Batting) Handedness - Revere LEFT Mckinney LEFT - correlation 1.0

Race - NOT APPLICABLE THIS IS NOT A RACIST THREAD

Intangibles - Revere 9/10 Mckinney UNKNOWN

 

Total correlation - I don't know, about .3 or so, they are both left handed, and we don't for sure Mckinney's intangibles.

 

Are they comparable - No, no I don't think so.

[Carlos Danger]

Ok:

 

1. Some of you guys obviously did not read the thread and are just jumping on the pile with totally unrelated BS. NEVER did I compare Revere and McKinney.

 

The premise that started this thing is that I said I believe McKinney is the first true lead off hitter since Ben Revere. A few key f***ing words here to keep in mind going forward. First Lead off hitter SINCE. NOT he is the same, NOT fnn McKinney is like Revere. Some of you need to go back to basic reading comprehension and get your heads out of the spread sheets.

 

Then there was some debate about Revere being a s*** lead off hitter, blah,blah, blah.. The FACT is, he was true lead-off hitter by the assessment of the majority of GMs, not internet trolls who self-admittedly live in their Mom's basement. When he was with the Blue Jays, he put up numbers that you were solid. We can debate solid, but suck on a big dick if you want to try and tell me that an over .319 BA, 354 .OBP one of the lowest K rates in the game, and speed does not qualify as a decent lead -off hitter.

 

2. One of the posters said we lost game 6 of the 2015 ALCS by 1 run, and said Revere had 5 ABs, EE and JB only 4.

 

The following posts were all in response to that. I never f***ing said that I want a team made up of slap hitting speedsters. Then a bunch of you throw ISO blah, blah blah at me.

 

The fact of the matter is f***ers, we lost! We did NOT win with our vaunted boner making offense we lost,. then we got beat like a red headed step child (Spanky is that you?) the next year in the ALCS.

 

I think you all must work for the Government where doing well and mediocrity is rewarded and ok. I work for the private sector and my employer demands results and success or I am fnn gone.

 

Go suck a big multi-colored cock filled with advance metrics during the season which meant s*** in the ACLS in both 2015 and even more so in 2016.

 

Yes, our pitchers did not get the job done. However, it was not Revere who made the last out with the tying run on 3b and the go-ahead on 3rd, it was the 2015 Mother f***ing VP JD.

 

Revere did make an out that inning with a K. However, % wise, going back to stats..

 

Martin singled to start the inning.. Good for him, I think he should be batting no lower than 7, but anyway.. They bring in a PR (SPEED)

 

Pompey steals 2b. (SPEED) Pompey steals 3rd (SPEED).

 

Pillar walks (small miracle occurred)

 

Navarro Ks, BAD Out, Ks kill!

 

Pillar steals 2b (SPEED)

 

Runners on 2nd and 3rd, no out, top 9, Jays down by 1.

 

Teams with runners on 2nd and 3rd 0 outs have averaged 1.45 runs

 

Then you have Revere at the plate. He only Kd 17 times in the whole season looking, he was a very low K contact guy, speedy and hard to double up.

 

Our chances there to tie the game at some point that inning are higher % wise then EE, JB or Donaldson getting a hit.. and I would add sac fly.

 

Percentage wise when you need one run with a Sac etc I would put Revere there time and time again even though in this case he ended up Kng. The percentages over time based on his K rate, contact rate and speed tell you there is a greater % of the Jays getting a run then other types of hitters.

 

I never said, nor do I believe we need a team full of Ben fnn Revere.. NO.. I stated we need a balance attack and the ability to score runs when our power is getting shut down which many times it does in the playoffs when you are facing Aces and long bullpens that are the best in the game. This example is more prevalent in the 2016 ALCS..

 

Thank you also for the comparison to Harold Reynolds. I have only ever heard that comparison before with an ex-girlfriend when we were naked (FYI-Ia m a white guy).

 

Like the first time, I am flattered. Harold Reynolds was the most in-tune analyst during the whole "7th" inning". He knew the ball was live before anyone else. He made accurate assessments of all that was going on and as a former MLB infielder for many years, understand the dynamics of pressure on the D, speed down the line, putting the ball in play that some of you nerds scoff at.

 

He has been a paid analyst for ESPN, FOX and MLB Network. So, I am proud to be compared to Harold and have no problem on being on the opposite side, not wrong side, opposite side of a bunch of guys who do this s*** for free from their Mom's basement.

 

I like everyone here, and enjoy the board, but some of you cant't see the forest through the trees with your spin of various "advance metrics" and cum gobbler cultism of everything in baseball old school is bad=wrong.

 

PS: OPS is a weighted stat that makes guys like Colby Rasmus look good.

PSS: How the f*** can you accurately project a teams wins or a player's WAR etc when you have no fnnn idea if he will catch his girlfriend hosting the visiting locker room gang bang, get a divorce, or a sick family member and head is in the clouds.. injuries, legal issues, whatever, too many variables to make an accurate statistical prediction with to many human variables.

 

Just wanted to get the two PSSs of my chest;)

 

Thanks for your applause...Don't forget to tip your waiter..

[KevinGregg]

We can debate solid, but suck on a big dick if you want to try and tell me that an over .319 BA, 354 .OBP one of the lowest K rates in the game, and speed does not qualify as a decent lead -off hitter.

Ben Revere was definitely not one of the 3 best hitters on that team. It's been extremely well established that leadoff should be one of the 3 best hitters. Maybe on a different team Revere should have led off, but not on that 2015 Jays team.

 

The fact of the matter is f***ers, we lost! We did NOT win with our vaunted boner making offense we lost,. then we got beat like a red headed step child (Spanky is that you?) the next year in the ALCS.

 

I think you all must work for the Government where doing well and mediocrity is rewarded and ok. I work for the private sector and my employer demands results and success or I am fnn gone.

 

2 straight ALCS appearances is great success. We had the best run differential in 2015. If you are so proud of your work in the private sector you must also understand the need to have proper metrics to evaluate success. You can't guarantee a world series win or even an appearance. This isn't the NBA. We need to use other metrics to evaluate baseball teams than number of championships. And there are a number of well established metrics that point to the 2015 Jays as being the best team in baseball. They were objectively very successful. The fact of the matter is, we WON more than just 2 other teams, 2 years in a row.

 

 

PSS: How the f*** can you accurately project a teams wins or a player's WAR etc when you have no fnnn idea if he will catch his girlfriend hosting the visiting locker room gang bang, get a divorce, or a sick family member and head is in the clouds.. injuries, legal issues, whatever, too many variables to make an accurate statistical prediction with to many human variables.

 

You think that Mike Trout and Ryan Goins both have the same chance to be the best player in the league next year? Of course you don't. Projections aren't about being right 100% of the time and accounting for every little detail. But if you are right more often than you are wrong then you end up like the Astros or Dodgers. If you don't even f***ing try you end up like the orioles.

[Brownie19]

Guys - don't feed the troll please.

[Spanky__99]

Guys - don't feed the troll please.

 

I'm cracking up at Spanky is that you part, lol. WTF... I'm so admired!

[jays4life19]

Guys - don't feed the troll please.

 

I dunno man this is pretty entertaining.

[Laika]

Ok:

 

1. I want to suck Ben Revere's big coloured cock!

 

^ that is all I could gather from your post

[Olerud363]

Ok:

 

1. Some of you guys obviously did not read the thread and are just jumping on the pile with totally unrelated BS. NEVER did I compare Revere and McKinney.

 

The premise that started this thing is that I said I believe McKinney is the first true lead off hitter since Ben Revere. A few key f***ing words here to keep in mind going forward. First Lead off hitter SINCE. NOT he is the same, NOT fnn McKinney is like Revere. Some of you need to go back to basic reading comprehension and get your heads out of the spread sheets.

 

Then there was some debate about Revere being a s*** lead off hitter, blah,blah, blah.. The FACT is, he was true lead-off hitter by the assessment of the majority of GMs, not internet trolls who self-admittedly live in their Mom's basement. When he was with the Blue Jays, he put up numbers that you were solid. We can debate solid, but suck on a big dick if you want to try and tell me that an over .319 BA, 354 .OBP one of the lowest K rates in the game, and speed does not qualify as a decent lead -off hitter.

 

2. One of the posters said we lost game 6 of the 2015 ALCS by 1 run, and said Revere had 5 ABs, EE and JB only 4.

 

The following posts were all in response to that. I never f***ing said that I want a team made up of slap hitting speedsters. Then a bunch of you throw ISO blah, blah blah at me.

 

The fact of the matter is f***ers, we lost! We did NOT win with our vaunted boner making offense we lost,. then we got beat like a red headed step child (Spanky is that you?) the next year in the ALCS.

 

I think you all must work for the Government where doing well and mediocrity is rewarded and ok. I work for the private sector and my employer demands results and success or I am fnn gone.

 

Go suck a big multi-colored cock filled with advance metrics during the season which meant s*** in the ACLS in both 2015 and even more so in 2016.

 

Yes, our pitchers did not get the job done. However, it was not Revere who made the last out with the tying run on 3b and the go-ahead on 3rd, it was the 2015 Mother f***ing VP JD.

 

Revere did make an out that inning with a K. However, % wise, going back to stats..

 

Martin singled to start the inning.. Good for him, I think he should be batting no lower than 7, but anyway.. They bring in a PR (SPEED)

 

Pompey steals 2b. (SPEED) Pompey steals 3rd (SPEED).

 

Pillar walks (small miracle occurred)

 

Navarro Ks, BAD Out, Ks kill!

 

Pillar steals 2b (SPEED)

 

Runners on 2nd and 3rd, no out, top 9, Jays down by 1.

 

Teams with runners on 2nd and 3rd 0 outs have averaged 1.45 runs

 

Then you have Revere at the plate. He only Kd 17 times in the whole season looking, he was a very low K contact guy, speedy and hard to double up.

 

Our chances there to tie the game at some point that inning are higher % wise then EE, JB or Donaldson getting a hit.. and I would add sac fly.

 

Percentage wise when you need one run with a Sac etc I would put Revere there time and time again even though in this case he ended up Kng. The percentages over time based on his K rate, contact rate and speed tell you there is a greater % of the Jays getting a run then other types of hitters.

 

I never said, nor do I believe we need a team full of Ben fnn Revere.. NO.. I stated we need a balance attack and the ability to score runs when our power is getting shut down which many times it does in the playoffs when you are facing Aces and long bullpens that are the best in the game. This example is more prevalent in the 2016 ALCS..

 

Thank you also for the comparison to Harold Reynolds. I have only ever heard that comparison before with an ex-girlfriend when we were naked (FYI-Ia m a white guy).

 

Like the first time, I am flattered. Harold Reynolds was the most in-tune analyst during the whole "7th" inning". He knew the ball was live before anyone else. He made accurate assessments of all that was going on and as a former MLB infielder for many years, understand the dynamics of pressure on the D, speed down the line, putting the ball in play that some of you nerds scoff at.

 

He has been a paid analyst for ESPN, FOX and MLB Network. So, I am proud to be compared to Harold and have no problem on being on the opposite side, not wrong side, opposite side of a bunch of guys who do this s*** for free from their Mom's basement.

 

I like everyone here, and enjoy the board, but some of you cant't see the forest through the trees with your spin of various "advance metrics" and cum gobbler cultism of everything in baseball old school is bad=wrong.

 

PS: OPS is a weighted stat that makes guys like Colby Rasmus look good.

PSS: How the f*** can you accurately project a teams wins or a player's WAR etc when you have no fnnn idea if he will catch his girlfriend hosting the visiting locker room gang bang, get a divorce, or a sick family member and head is in the clouds.. injuries, legal issues, whatever, too many variables to make an accurate statistical prediction with to many human variables.

 

Just wanted to get the two PSSs of my chest;)

 

Thanks for your applause...Don't forget to tip your waiter..

 

That's a lot to digest and maybe I am missing the point but how come Revere struck out when it counted the most?? How come he didn't slap a ball, and get the runs in??

 

Over the course of a long season the "little things" Revere does don't make much of an impact. The big things a slugger does make more of an impact. So your theory is that...

 

when times get tough...

when the chips are on the table...

when our backs are against the wall...

when the leaves turn and the air is crisp...

in these times you can't just count on a slugger....

 

However in the one instance when everything was on the line Revere struck out and didn't slap the ball, or beat out a grounder, or bunt, or do something amazing with his speed. He just stood there.

[Olerud363]

Ok:

 

1. Some of you guys obviously did not read the thread and are just jumping on the pile with totally unrelated BS. NEVER did I compare Revere and McKinney.

 

Also just so we are all cool. I haven't managed the time to read all this thread, even though I started it. I'll have to schedule some reading time to catch up on all this, and figure out what it all means.

 

For the record I did not see that you compared Revere to Mckinney and was not accusing you of such. I only posted a Mckinney/Revere comparison analysis, because that's the primary topic of the thread, trying to figure out who Mckinney is comparable to.

[John_Havok]

There's maybe 2 GMs in the league that would want a guy like Revere leading off these days. One of them is in Kansas City, at the bottom of the league is nearly every offensive category.

 

The other is Baltimore because literally every player not on their current roster who has played the game over the past 5 years is an upgrade on their dumpster fire of a current roster.

 

The slap hitting speedster (henceforth known as a slapster) with no power is an extinct model of a leadoff hitter. The slapster paradigm has been discarded by every GM in baseball except the aforementioned 2, neither of whom you want to model your lineup creation thought process after.

[BTS]

There's maybe 2 GMs in the league that would want a guy like Revere leading off these days. One of them is in Kansas City, at the bottom of the league is nearly every offensive category.

 

The other is Baltimore because literally every player not on their current roster who has played the game over the past 5 years is an upgrade on their dumpster fire of a roster

 

Fun Orioles fact: their net position player fWAR this year is 1.7. Manny Machado contributed 3.8 of that.

[Dick_Pole]

Ok:

 

1. Some of you guys obviously did not read the thread and are just jumping on the pile with totally unrelated BS. NEVER did I compare Revere and McKinney.

 

The premise that started this thing is that I said I believe McKinney is the first true lead off hitter since Ben Revere. A few key f***ing words here to keep in mind going forward. First Lead off hitter SINCE. NOT he is the same, NOT fnn McKinney is like Revere. Some of you need to go back to basic reading comprehension and get your heads out of the spread sheets.

 

Then there was some debate about Revere being a s*** lead off hitter, blah,blah, blah.. The FACT is, he was true lead-off hitter by the assessment of the majority of GMs, not internet trolls who self-admittedly live in their Mom's basement. When he was with the Blue Jays, he put up numbers that you were solid. We can debate solid, but suck on a big dick if you want to try and tell me that an over .319 BA, 354 .OBP one of the lowest K rates in the game, and speed does not qualify as a decent lead -off hitter.

 

2. One of the posters said we lost game 6 of the 2015 ALCS by 1 run, and said Revere had 5 ABs, EE and JB only 4.

 

The following posts were all in response to that. I never f***ing said that I want a team made up of slap hitting speedsters. Then a bunch of you throw ISO blah, blah blah at me.

 

The fact of the matter is f***ers, we lost! We did NOT win with our vaunted boner making offense we lost,. then we got beat like a red headed step child (Spanky is that you?) the next year in the ALCS.

 

I think you all must work for the Government where doing well and mediocrity is rewarded and ok. I work for the private sector and my employer demands results and success or I am fnn gone.

 

Go suck a big multi-colored cock filled with advance metrics during the season which meant s*** in the ACLS in both 2015 and even more so in 2016.

 

Yes, our pitchers did not get the job done. However, it was not Revere who made the last out with the tying run on 3b and the go-ahead on 3rd, it was the 2015 Mother f***ing VP JD.

 

Revere did make an out that inning with a K. However, % wise, going back to stats..

 

Martin singled to start the inning.. Good for him, I think he should be batting no lower than 7, but anyway.. They bring in a PR (SPEED)

 

Pompey steals 2b. (SPEED) Pompey steals 3rd (SPEED).

 

Pillar walks (small miracle occurred)

 

Navarro Ks, BAD Out, Ks kill!

 

Pillar steals 2b (SPEED)

 

Runners on 2nd and 3rd, no out, top 9, Jays down by 1.

 

Teams with runners on 2nd and 3rd 0 outs have averaged 1.45 runs

 

Then you have Revere at the plate. He only Kd 17 times in the whole season looking, he was a very low K contact guy, speedy and hard to double up.

 

Our chances there to tie the game at some point that inning are higher % wise then EE, JB or Donaldson getting a hit.. and I would add sac fly.

 

Percentage wise when you need one run with a Sac etc I would put Revere there time and time again even though in this case he ended up Kng. The percentages over time based on his K rate, contact rate and speed tell you there is a greater % of the Jays getting a run then other types of hitters.

 

I never said, nor do I believe we need a team full of Ben fnn Revere.. NO.. I stated we need a balance attack and the ability to score runs when our power is getting shut down which many times it does in the playoffs when you are facing Aces and long bullpens that are the best in the game. This example is more prevalent in the 2016 ALCS..

 

Thank you also for the comparison to Harold Reynolds. I have only ever heard that comparison before with an ex-girlfriend when we were naked (FYI-Ia m a white guy).

 

Like the first time, I am flattered. Harold Reynolds was the most in-tune analyst during the whole "7th" inning". He knew the ball was live before anyone else. He made accurate assessments of all that was going on and as a former MLB infielder for many years, understand the dynamics of pressure on the D, speed down the line, putting the ball in play that some of you nerds scoff at.

 

He has been a paid analyst for ESPN, FOX and MLB Network. So, I am proud to be compared to Harold and have no problem on being on the opposite side, not wrong side, opposite side of a bunch of guys who do this s*** for free from their Mom's basement.

 

I like everyone here, and enjoy the board, but some of you cant't see the forest through the trees with your spin of various "advance metrics" and cum gobbler cultism of everything in baseball old school is bad=wrong.

 

PS: OPS is a weighted stat that makes guys like Colby Rasmus look good.

PSS: How the f*** can you accurately project a teams wins or a player's WAR etc when you have no fnnn idea if he will catch his girlfriend hosting the visiting locker room gang bang, get a divorce, or a sick family member and head is in the clouds.. injuries, legal issues, whatever, too many variables to make an accurate statistical prediction with to many human variables.

 

Just wanted to get the two PSSs of my chest;)

 

Thanks for your applause...Don't forget to tip your waiter..

 

That's okay man, don't get upset. These closet racists would rather have prime Tulo hitting leadoff than Ben Revere. Just trying to keep these poor black men like Revere, Juan Pierre and Vince Coleman from maxing out their MLB earnings potential.

[John_Havok]

That's okay man, don't get upset. These closet racists would rather have prime Tulo hitting leadoff than Ben Revere. Just trying to keep these poor black men like Revere, Juan Pierre and Vince Coleman from maxing out their MLB earnings potential.

 

That's some quality posting right there

[Olerud363]

That's okay man, don't get upset. These closet racists would rather have prime Tulo hitting leadoff than Ben Revere. Just trying to keep these poor black men like Revere, Juan Pierre and Vince Coleman from maxing out their MLB earnings potential.

 

You know who would of made a really good leadoff man?? Lyle Overbay. He wasn't appreciated at the time, but had all the skills, good eye, line drive power, good on base percentage, that would of made an ideal lead off hitter.

[Dick_Pole]

You know who would of made a really good leadoff man?? Lyle Overbay. He wasn't appreciated at the time, but had all the skills, good eye, line drive power, good on base percentage, that would of made an ideal lead off hitter.

 

That would be in line with your M.O. being the racistist poster we have here, advocating for Olerud and hating Joe Carter, the greatest slugger and WS hero we ever had, and Cito, the only Jays manager with two WS titles under his belt. I bet you're one of these haters that thought Devo and his perfectly serviceable 108 OPS+ should have been jettisoned to #6 instead of Alomar when the team got Henderson in 1993. Just trying to devalue the black man's worth heading into his free agent years.

[Olerud363]

That would be in line with your M.O. being the racistist poster we have here, advocating for Olerud and hating Joe Carter, the greatest slugger and WS hero we ever had, and Cito, the only Jays manager with two WS titles under his belt. I bet you're one of these haters that thought Devo and his perfectly serviceable 108 OPS+ should have been jettisoned to #6 instead of Alomar when the team got Henderson in 1993. Just trying to devalue the black man's worth heading into his free agent years.

 

I think a lot of things could of been done better in the 90s. Cito did a great job but probably should of been fired after 91, and maybe been they could of brought Bobby Cox back. Devo was great, but yeah hitting him 6th or 7th would of suited his skills better. There was no need to get Henderson in 93. They should of just given Rob Butler a chance at lead off.

 

You can't complain about two world series wins, but no team is perfect and there were a few things that could of been done better.

[Spanky__99]