8/13 Blue Jays @ Royals - Debut of Ten Straight Balls and Jansen 8:15 PM ET

[King]

I haven't been this excited for a Jays game in a while.

Prediction Contest Entries *note, still able to enter, I'll update before the list of entries prior to the start of the game

 

 

 

Back Story

 

June 28th, 2018

Nice for Harris and SRF to have some short term success, but not too optimistic long term on them.

 

SRF is super inconsistent, when I saw him vs Tampa in March he opened the game with 10 straight balls.

 

Inconsistent sure, but loads of swimg and miss. His walk rate so far in AAA isn't actually that bad, all things considered.

 

SRF also has probably the worse anger management of any pitcher I can recall of in the last 10 years. Worse then Ricky Romero

 

Multiple times in that game I saw him in Tampa he spazzes out after walking batters or leaving hanging sliders that turned into hrs.

 

Lots of pitchers do, even great ones like Scherzer, I wouldn't hold that against him. Maybe he's a perfectionist?

 

ITT: Tercet’s 1 game sample size scouting report. Not optimistic on the future of SRF

 

Nevermind the fact hes been meh for the last 5 seasons, 1/2 of a good season, give him the Matt Moore contract.

 

I assume you're talking about SRF, who was drafted in 2014 and is 22 in AAA but yes the 1/2 season of good performance is what people are going off of. Good job bro, it's a good thing you saw him once while he was still hungover from the offseason to give us such insightful info on why he won't succeed.

 

Someone just make an SRF bet with tercet already

 

July 20th, 2018

Suddenly we have pitching prospects, wtf.

 

Starting to assemble a lot of pitching depth in the upper minors for the first time in awhile: Borucki, SRF, Pannone, Harris, Zeuch, and Murphy could all start games in the majors next year.

 

Not to be too much of a Debbie Downer, but almost all of those guys are backend starters at best if they pan out at all. There's no one in that list that anyone should be getting their hopes up over. Maybe Pardinho is the next Berrios in 4 years if we get really lucky, and maybe Pearson is a high-end guy.

 

It's still nice to have the young depth. You never really know when one of these guys will just keep getting outs in the majors and give you Fister/Quintana kind of production for a few years.

 

Pearson, SRF, and Pardinho are all top end guys imo

 

I disagree. You're heavily sleeping on Foley. He's got loads of swing and miss stuff. His walk rate looks decent this year as well.

 

No, cmon your better then this.

 

SRF is overrated. Pearson has pitched 21 innings in the minors chill.

 

SRF fastball command is terrible, you will all see soon enough. When I saw him in March vs Yankees AA team at the Yankees MILB complex in Tampa he opened the game with 10 straight balls. He gave up 3 or 4 hrs, and he goes super-saiyan every time he walks someone or gives up a home run on hanging sliders.

 

Sure he can get some minor league hitters to chase his slider, but he will get destroyedddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd in the majors now by just walking everyone.

 

Do you not see why its dumn to discredit everything SRF has done this year because he threw 10 straight balls in early March?

 

Sample size, no one is adjusting their expectations just because you say he threw 10 straight balls one time.

 

What are you even reacting to? He didn't say a good word about any of them...

 

Nothing has really changed with him, he is still walking too many hitters, the odds are overwhelming that this won't carry over in the majors versus major league hitters. I don't see why you guys think he has drastically changed?

 

Nothing has really changed with SRF, sure his "ERA" is lower, but he is just getting by right now with crappy fastball command and a slider that works vs minor leauge hitters.

 

The list of pitchers that BTS listed are over-hyped.

 

Reid-Foley aside, I don't think many people here see those guys as more than what they are: potential back of rotation starters who could maybe spend a few years eating some innings for the minimum without embarrassing themselves. It's objectively a good thing to have a bunch of potentially useful young arms in the AA and AAA rotations. We haven't had that for awhile.

 

League average BB/9 in the international league is 3.3. SRF is at 3.1 as a 22 year old. Also, he's striking out 28% of all batters faced. He may very well walk the house when he gets to the majors but suggesting it because he threw 10 straight balls in early March is moronic.

 

No its warning flag that no one should ignore, how often can you say you've seen a pitcher throw 10 straight balls to open a game?

 

Look he is a pitcher that has some strengths and weaknesses. One of his major weaknesses is his control/command.

 

I saw him several times in March, chatted with him briefly too at the milb complex in Dunedin along with Charlie Wilson(who ive known for 20 years).

 

Put your blue jays hat away for a minute,think rationally please and stop f***in scouting the stats line.

 

His command may presently be bad but that doesn't mean it can't improve. He's f***ing 22, you imbecile. The ability to miss bats is the most important thing and SRF has shown he can miss bats at the upper levels of the minors.

 

I can't recall anyone hyping anyone on that list other than SRF as having more than back end starter potential. That's not really hype at all, maybe the odd person with a pet prospect.

 

Nothing about posting a list of pitchers with solid upper minor league stats and suggesting we are starting to build some DEPTH should cause you to react with "c'mon man you're better than this".

 

You do realize MLB teams will often need 10+ starters over the course of a season, and that obviously they're not all going to be world beaters? The point was that we're at least building some depth of our own at the position and shouldn't have to spend money on crappy free agent gas cans to fill out the 5-10 spots on the depth chart.

 

Yes he could improve, but just assuming he would go from terrible milb command to average mlb command just because he is "young" is where I disagree with you.

 

But, time will tell!

 

Yes I understand how it all works. I just think that BTS is on crack hoping that guys like Zeuch, Harris and Pannone will become back-end starters. I agree with most of the stuff he has said over the last 10~ years, but I just disagree with him here and his opinion of Hech back in 2010/11.

 

But look I thought Randy Ruiz, Travis Snider, Brad Mills, JPA would be good players, use that against me gogogo.

 

If you want to get technical, SRF is vastly underrated lmao

 

Pearson may very well come down to health. If he stays healthy he will be a beast imo

 

Didn't Sanchez not throw a strike one year in the minors (Some posters made it seem that way), then he led the AL in ERA when he was what 23/24...yes Minors stats and a 1 10 pitch segment is a warning flag lol

 

This is a ridiculous statement. I mean, you almost could literally not find a smaller sample size.

 

Every true genius level scout knows that any player who throws 10 straight balls should instantly retire. They also know that no young player has ever improved, that’s why no team ever hires coaches, and no one over the age of 20 has ever had a good career without dominating as a teenager first.

 

You're right. All he's done is strikeout more and walk less hitters in 19 starts between AA/AAA in this year than he did in all of 2017 at AA.

 

This happened in March. I bet you're the only person on earth who remembers it happened.

 

Yes it is a small sample but how often in baseball history have you seen a pitcher open a game with 10 straight balls?

 

SRF has a major weakness, which is an inability to constantly throw quality strikes.

 

Have any of you guys actually seen him pitch before? Doesn't seem like it lol

 

Stop scouting the stats line lol

 

I'm sure it's happened many times, but nobody remembers s*** like that, because it's totally f***ing irrelevant.

 

Dallas f***ing Braden threw a perfect game. I don't care what happened. A small sample size is a small sample size.

 

lol fanboyism is strong with you

 

10 pitches is not anything on which you can base anything. That's not fanboyism at all, that's just the reality of how all of this works.

 

He did something that albeit it fluky I agree, it proves more to the fact he has shown an inability to throw strikes throughout his milb career.

 

I am saying be REALISTIC and stop f***ing thinking he is the second coming of syndergaard or your ideal dreamy power pitcher.

 

His major flaw won't magically disappear overnight.

 

Nobody said anything about him being Syndergaard, don't be daft. He's got potential to be more than a mid-rotation starter, he's young and he's got good stuff, and his numbers this year (at the highest level before the majors in his early 20s) indicate that he may have figured out something, maybe even since March!

 

You're still pounding the drum of SRF opening a game with 10 straight balls that you watched him pitch=he sucks.

 

That line of reasoning is ******** and it's time to tuck that away.

 

Your scouting report consists of one spring training game lol

 

Your sample size = 10 pitches on one game.

 

My sample size = 10.64 K/9, 3.55 BB/9, 3.27 FIP in 104 IP between AA & AAA.

 

Hell, his AAA is actually even better in isolation.

 

In 59.2 IP; 10.71 K/9, 3.17 BB/9, 3.17 FIP

 

So he's actually improved his walk rate against tougher competition.

 

I highly doubt it considering how bad he looked in March when I saw him.

 

He is a poor mans Joba Chamberlain imo, fastball that has no clue where it going, and a slider that crappy hitters will chase. Versus good hitters he will look silly since they won't chase his slider as much and let him walk the world.

 

But like every fan base your prospect will never fail, and your not allowed to talk bad about them.

 

He is a 22 year old lottery ticket that would walk more guys then he strikesouts if he was given a chance in the majors this year.

 

Naw he still looked terrible in that game I saw him besides the first inning.

 

But look his AAA numbers mean diddly squat because he can get crappy hitters to chase his slider.

 

If he was given mlb starts he would probably walk 6-7 / 9 with more walks then strikeouts.

 

Maybe he could improve in the future but right now he is not anywhere near ready.

 

You guys are getting trolled so hard.

 

Naw it's pretty much the exact same people calling me out for saying Teoscar wouldn't regress, lol.

 

Now the question is whether they are trolling me or just this stubborn/stupid/fanboyism?

 

You’re a legitimate f***ing lunatic. SRF may prove to be nothing more than a reliever but your 10 pitch sample size is not in any way an indicator of what his future holds.

 

You’re chastizing people for stat scouting yet you’re using a 10 pitch eye-test as your barometer.

 

Crawl back into your hole.

 

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That's impressive lurking (or a nicely delayed alt-account).

 

Couldn’t handle tercet’s madness any longer.

 

Did you guys see Chapman threw 10 consecutive balls today?

 

Chapman suffering from SRF syndrome. His career might be over.

 

pwned gg no re

 

But the fact all are very high on SRF is lol

 

I'll try to see SRF again sometime in August in person before the season is over, but can't tmrw bc of soccer and softball.

 

I'm sure the report will be very convincing

 

July 22, 2018

SRF is a stud....7Ks 1BB 2 hits no runs through 6 today.

 

Doesn’t matter. He threw 10 balls in a row that one time, so his career is basically over.

 

Doesn't matter. He started a game off with 10 straight balls before. Hes nothing /green

 

If he can't start, it would be fun to turn SRF into Josh Hader lite

 

we should probably expose him to the rule 5 next year. I can't imagine there would be any takers.

 

Using advanced milb to mlb translator, which accounts for the number of balls out of the zone that mlb hitters would not have swung at his line was pathetic. 2 innings pitched, several walks.

 

innings pitched 2

walks 7

hits 4

earned runs 5

 

I like this idea a lot, this should be the norm for failed starters in the future who've shown big strikeout numbers. Hopefully he can stick as a starter of course.

 

Quick. Someone dig up some of his tweets when he was 17.

 

Doesn't he have those pimp tweets?

 

I guess it's time to slap the sexist labels on him.

 

his account has been disabled

 

Smart move

 

Your guys levels of SRF fanboyism is quite funny lol.

 

Does anyone have access to The Athletic? This Foley article from John Lott seems interesting:

 

https://theathletic.com/437166/2018/07/19/for-blue-jays-prospect-sean-reid-foley-a-pep-talk-by-teammate-ryan-borucki-helped-him-turn-the-corner/

 

Ill post a bit of it which is I find quite ironic given I saw the complete opposite in at the 10 ball game that in which SRF went super-saiyian several times while on the mound in anger. After 2 homeruns he gave up on gimme middle-middle sliders and after some of the walks.

 

"His Buffalo manager, Bobby Meacham, had heard about Reid-Foley’s past problems in dealing with the frustrations of failure. Meacham says he has seen none of that, even after those early rocky starts.

 

“Sean’s been calm,” he said. “He’s been steady. I didn’t have him before so I don’t know what he was like. I heard the stories that he’d get a little bit out of whack in just the way he went about his business, so to speak. I have not seen that here. I’ve seen a guy that’s really focused and likes his routine and sticks with it.”"

 

Sounds like a player that's been trying to improve his mental side of the game.

 

It's almost as if you shouldn't base your opinion of a player, much less a prospect, off of a random early March appearance.

 

But unfortunately he still has very bad command/control which is why he is not anywhere near mlb ready now.

 

Sure, but he has still terrible command/control since, so nothing has really changed.

 

Here is a quick clip from Sunday's start

 

 

He missed location on a fastball that was supposed to be down + away, but ended up being middle way off the plate which would have been a ball but somehow still got a strikeout on a swinging strike.

 

He does stiff like this way too often, that won't add up to success in the majors.

 

Here is another clip of him from last week as well.

 

 

5 pitch strikeout, 4 fastballs 1 slider.

1st pitch fastball he misses location horribly. - Bad (1-0)

2nd pitch away fastball that gets fouled off, intended location. - Good (1-1)

3rd pitch away fastball that just misses, intended location. Good in my books (2-1)

4th pitch up and away fastball, missed location badly which was supposed to be down and away, missed his location, but got a swinging strike, so lets be nice and say it's ok. (2-2)

5th pitch slider that he hangs for up and away for borderline strike, missed location. (2-3)

 

So he got a strikeout, but it wasn't pretty and I would say this at-bat is a clear example of why scouting his stats line is incorrect.

 

Look nothing has changed from him since March, he still has bad command/control that he won't get away with in the majors.

 

I agree he needs to improve command of his pitches to be succesful at the next level.

 

Help convince all the fan-boyz/prospectiers that he is a work in progress and needs some fine tuning to be ok at the major league level.

 

How could you possibly have read this thread and come away thinking "everyone here believes that if SRF were in the majors right now, he'd be the ace of the staff right away!"

 

f***, you're either dense or intentionally misinterpreting literally everyone so you can feel superior in some bizarre way.

 

EVERY f***ING PROSPECT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS AND NEEDS SOME FINE TUNING TO BE OKAY AT THE MAJOR LEAGUE LEVEL. Like 95% of people that post on this board are smart enough baseball people to know how prospects work, which is why it's only a few people here who want Vladdy in the MLB right now.

 

Teoscar "the Mirage" Hernandez.

 

Sean "10 Balls" Reid-Foley.

 

If nothing else, the nicknames are money.

 

You're so dumn it hurts

 

Nobody with a brain is claiming he's ready today. Rather, people have taken issue with the high horse you rode in here on claiming that he's not ready because you saw him throw 10 balls consecutively in March and talked with him in Dunedin

 

A) nobody trusts your ability to evaluate talent

you saw him in March during ST

C) you've laughably cited YouTube clips to confirm your bias

 

 

That man has 10 balls.

 

Our old friend Conner Greene has a 8.3 BB/9 as a RELIEVER in Triple A.

 

I bet he hasn't thrown 10 balls in a row though.

 

August 8th, 2018

Another post why SRF isn't ready.

 

A clip of his strikeouts last night showing his poor command/control. This stuff works in the minors, but not in the majors.

 

 

How is this showing his poor command/control? If you look at where Jansen was set up, he almost always hit his spots....

 

Wut

 

 

Huh?

 

You're just burying yourself with these posts. Outside of the last K (on his rising 4FB no less) he hit his spots.

Edited August 14, 2018 by King

[P2F]

This is fantastic.

[Dick_Pole]

I can't wait to collect my $100. So when he throws a no-hitter, but strikes out a lousy 8 and throws 88 pitches, do I win or does Deadpool?

[Krylian]

Over/under: 1.5

 

Number of pitches SRF throws before Dick_pole is out of this contest.

[Krylian]

I can't wait to collect my $100. So when he throws a no-hitter, but strikes out a lousy 8 and throws 88 pitches, do I win or does Deadpool?

 

No one. I'm assuming it has to be a perfect prediction.

[King]

No one. I'm assuming it has to be a perfect prediction.

 

As per tercets post, it will be whoever gets the most individual categories right. Tiebreaker is pitches thrown

[bones10]

Tercet is my favorite Dragon Ball Z villian.

[Orgfiller]

I can see the walks but the people predicting 4 and 5 ER are perhaps missing missing the fact that the Royals have the second worst offense in baseball. Reid-Foley could be awful and still have a relatively decent outing by casual fan stats, this is like a AAAA game for him.

[Sammy225]

Best GDT in a long while lol

[WryNGinger]

This is awesome king

[tercet]

ty king

 

You missed a bunch of posts though I think from earlier.

[King]

ty king

 

You missed a bunch of posts though I think from earlier.

 

Possibly, but I didnt feel like sifting all your Teoscar posts from May.

[43211234]

I didn't include a HR number as my 0 runs prediction would have made it redundant.

 

Put me down for 0 HR!

[43211234]

I'm also predicting a JPA-esque debut for Jansen.

 

3-4, 1B, 2B, HR, BB, K

[Daniel Labude]

Prediction for Jansen:

 

2-4 HR, 1B, 1K, 1 R, 1RBI

[jaysguy44]

Jansen prediction.

 

1-3 1B, BB

[Slade]

Updating SRF with 92 pitches.

 

Jansen 1-3 2B and BB

[Jonn]

I will set the over/under of ground ball base hits for Alcedies Escobar at 3 this series.

[Spanky99]

I can see the walks but the people predicting 4 and 5 ER are perhaps missing missing the fact that the Royals have the second worst offense in baseball. Reid-Foley could be awful and still have a relatively decent outing by casual fan stats, this is like a AAAA game for him.

 

We're void from the contest, I'm broken... :' (

[43211234]

I will set the over/under of ground ball base hits for Alcedies Escobar at 3 this series.

 

Easiest over of my life.

[King]

[Orgfiller]

Who's f***ing hyped?

[Captain Adama]

Who's f***ing hyped?

 

I'm more excited for Jansen TBH.

 

But yeah, pretty excited.

[Orgfiller]

I'm more excited for Jansen TBH.

 

But yeah, pretty excited.

 

Me too man.

[Daniel Labude]

With how the first 2 months or so went...would have anyone guessed Travis would have a better AVG than Pillar lol

[L54]

Who's f***ing hyped?

 

I am. Probably the most excited I’ve been for the Jays since opening day

[King]

Brad Keller Suxxx

[Orgfiller]

Devon crushed that, wow. He's really trending up, the season-ending injury is imminent.

[Inklink]

LMAO who yelled "YAAAAAAAH" on the broadcast??

[Inklink]

Devon crushed that, wow. He's really trending up, the season-ending injury is imminent.

 

He did look awkward after breaking the bat on the previous swing.