Blue Jays Sign Danny Espinosa

[Captain Adama]

To minor league deal.

 

He'll stay in AAA most likely but if Diaz and/or Solarte gets injured. He can come up in a pinch. Can't hit, but good defensively with some pop.

[Laika]

Nice

[Angrioter]

That mean Tulo is out for long period of time... I hate Tulo

[AledmysDiaz]

That mean Tulo is out for long period of time... I hate Tulo

 

An entire off-season didn't heal his injury

 

Long period here may mean he is done period. At least ay being a shortstop

[Horses Fart]

The day after Tulo was acquired he said. "I get the chance to play for a contender, and maybe this will revive my career a little bit.". Bahahahahahahaha. I guess he was WRONG.

[glory]

An entire off-season didn't heal his injury

 

Long period here may mean he is done period. At least ay being a shortstop

 

He has said he'd retire before he moves off short. Which would actually help the Jays, so I hope he stays true to that.

[BlueRocky]

Bisons are pretty loaded this year

[Terminator]

He used to be a good player but fell off a cliff last year. Nice minor league depth.

[Pendleton]

Should be a good add for Buffalo

[polar bear]

An entire off-season didn't heal his injury

 

Long period here may mean he is done period. At least ay being a shortstop

 

Where else would you want to play him ? and don't forget he can't hit either.Hopefully done period.

[Jonn]

Danny E can really glove and has hit homeruns in the past I like this move... much more intriguing than Gift Ngoepe

[o2cui2i]

have to wonder what it would cost the team to talk Tulo into retirement.

[Spanky99]

have to wonder what it would cost the team to talk Tulo into retirement.

 

He's too young, no way that happens.

[AledmysDiaz]

have to wonder what it would cost the team to talk Tulo into retirement.

 

If you are Tulo there is no reason you would leave even a penny.

[Ultimate]

If you are Tulo there is no reason you would leave even a penny.

 

I don't know. IF he could get 90% of his money and not have to worry about going to spring training, travelling around with the team and rehabbing his various injuries then maybe its something he'd consider.

[JaysAllMighty]

I don't know. IF he could get 90% of his money and not have to worry about going to spring training, travelling around with the team and rehabbing his various injuries then maybe its something he'd consider.

 

Whatever in your mind works, meanwhile in the real world....

[Shart]

At this point in their careers, Espinosa is an upgrade on Tulo.

[Expos81]

Anyone else find this scenario a little confusing ?

 

Here are the sequence of events leading up to this:

 

The Jays decide not to resign Darwin Barney or Ryan Goins in the winter and both players walk.

 

Management make the following moves to shore up the middle infield due to injury concerns with Tulo and Travis:

 

1) 11/17/17 - Jays make trade with Pirates for Gift Ngoepe.

2) 12/1/17 - Jays makes trade with Cardinals for Aledmys Diaz.

3) 1/6/18 - Jays make trade with Padres for Yangervis Solarte.

 

Current Middle Infield Status:

Travis appears to have recovered and will be the starting 2nd baseman to open the season.

 

Aledmys Diaz will start the season at Shortstop in Tulo's absence.

 

Solarte is described as a "floater" who spells people when they need a day off.

 

They sign Espinosa. OK ... seems like a reasonable thing but I guess what I'm scratching my head at is , is there really a discernible difference between Danny Espinosa and Ryan Goins ? Their gloves are comparable (Goins played a full 41% of his career defensive innings at Shortstop and is more than serviceable. Early days but Espinosa has made 4 errors in a short period of time so far ) . The career slash line is as follows:

 

BA OBP OPS WAR

Ryan Goins .228 .275 .611 3.3

Danny Espinosa .221 .297 .675 7.6

 

The WAR variance is misleading though. The 'trend' (past couple of seasons) are almost the same.

 

The only real difference is that Espinosa has in the past displayed real power and Goins has not.

 

I have no issue with Danny Espinosa. None at all . I also have no real affinity for Ryan Goins. My confusion is that they did not foresee that they would need an extra infielder (they had to know Tulo was not going to start the season on the roster ) and why they didn't just keep Ryan Goins ? Keeping a known entity that seemed to fit in the clubhouse as opposed to brining in a very comparable player very late in camp just feels ... scrambly and unprepared by management. I guess that is what concerns me .

 

Am I not seeing something here or is there facts that I have not considered ?

[Spanky99]

1) Money and he had no options... 2) Tulo was recovering from ankle surgery, not plantar fasciitis... 3) Who cares?

[Bobthe4th]

Anyone else find this scenario a little confusing ?

 

Here are the sequence of events leading up to this:

 

The Jays decide not to resign Darwin Barney or Ryan Goins in the winter and both players walk.

 

Management make the following moves to shore up the middle infield due to injury concerns with Tulo and Travis:

 

1) 11/17/17 - Jays make trade with Pirates for Gift Ngoepe.

2) 12/1/17 - Jays makes trade with Cardinals for Aledmys Diaz.

3) 1/6/18 - Jays make trade with Padres for Yangervis Solarte.

 

Current Middle Infield Status:

Travis appears to have recovered and will be the starting 2nd baseman to open the season.

 

Aledmys Diaz will start the season at Shortstop in Tulo's absence.

 

Solarte is described as a "floater" who spells people when they need a day off.

 

They sign Espinosa. OK ... seems like a reasonable thing but I guess what I'm scratching my head at is , is there really a discernible difference between Danny Espinosa and Ryan Goins ? Their gloves are comparable (Goins played a full 41% of his career defensive innings at Shortstop and is more than serviceable. Early days but Espinosa has made 4 errors in a short period of time so far ) . The career slash line is as follows:

 

BA OBP OPS WAR

Ryan Goins .228 .275 .611 3.3

Danny Espinosa .221 .297 .675 7.6

 

The WAR variance is misleading though. The 'trend' (past couple of seasons) are almost the same.

 

The only real difference is that Espinosa has in the past displayed real power and Goins has not.

 

I have no issue with Danny Espinosa. None at all . I also have no real affinity for Ryan Goins. My confusion is that they did not foresee that they would need an extra infielder (they had to know Tulo was not going to start the season on the roster ) and why they didn't just keep Ryan Goins ? Keeping a known entity that seemed to fit in the clubhouse as opposed to brining in a very comparable player very late in camp just feels ... scrambly and unprepared by management. I guess that is what concerns me .

 

Am I not seeing something here or is there facts that I have not considered ?

 

That’s kind of the point - there’s no major difference between them as 25th men, and Espinosa is cheaper. So when Tulo comes back Espinosa can be DFA without wasting much salary and we’d still have Gift, who has an option left.

[John_Havok]

Am I not seeing something here or is there facts that I have not considered ?

 

Espinosa is a minor league deal, neither Goins nor Barney would have immediately resigned to a minor league deal since both spent time on the major league rosters over the past 3 seasons.

 

Both eventually did sign minor league deal with other teams because as we know, they aren't really good enough to be roster players.

 

But really, the question you need to ask is why it matters what plan F for the infield is. If injuries to Tulo, Travis, Solarte, Diaz and then Ngoepe happen and Espinosa is needed, the Jays are f***ed either way and the season is likely over. The same would be true with either Goins or Barney or any other number of glove first no bat MIFs around baseball.

 

He's really just a "in case of crisis, break glass" type of player with the slight possibility of some power upside. He's also had a history of being a positive value player with the exception of last season, so there's reason to have expectations that if he is needed, he can step in and not be a supreme black hole like Goins or Barney.

[BTS]

Anyone else find this scenario a little confusing ?

 

Here are the sequence of events leading up to this:

 

The Jays decide not to resign Darwin Barney or Ryan Goins in the winter and both players walk.

 

Management make the following moves to shore up the middle infield due to injury concerns with Tulo and Travis:

 

1) 11/17/17 - Jays make trade with Pirates for Gift Ngoepe.

2) 12/1/17 - Jays makes trade with Cardinals for Aledmys Diaz.

3) 1/6/18 - Jays make trade with Padres for Yangervis Solarte.

 

Current Middle Infield Status:

Travis appears to have recovered and will be the starting 2nd baseman to open the season.

 

Aledmys Diaz will start the season at Shortstop in Tulo's absence.

 

Solarte is described as a "floater" who spells people when they need a day off.

 

They sign Espinosa. OK ... seems like a reasonable thing but I guess what I'm scratching my head at is , is there really a discernible difference between Danny Espinosa and Ryan Goins ? Their gloves are comparable (Goins played a full 41% of his career defensive innings at Shortstop and is more than serviceable. Early days but Espinosa has made 4 errors in a short period of time so far ) . The career slash line is as follows:

 

BA OBP OPS WAR

Ryan Goins .228 .275 .611 3.3

Danny Espinosa .221 .297 .675 7.6

 

The WAR variance is misleading though. The 'trend' (past couple of seasons) are almost the same.

 

The only real difference is that Espinosa has in the past displayed real power and Goins has not.

 

I have no issue with Danny Espinosa. None at all . I also have no real affinity for Ryan Goins. My confusion is that they did not foresee that they would need an extra infielder (they had to know Tulo was not going to start the season on the roster ) and why they didn't just keep Ryan Goins ? Keeping a known entity that seemed to fit in the clubhouse as opposed to brining in a very comparable player very late in camp just feels ... scrambly and unprepared by management. I guess that is what concerns me .

 

Am I not seeing something here or is there facts that I have not considered ?

 

As Bobthe4th pointed out, if there's no discernible difference between them, you answered you own question: Goins is easily replaced off the scrap heap at any time, and lost any value he had when his option years ran out.

 

I prefer to have Espinosa though. Where Goins has no upside whatsoever, Espinosa has a history of being a productive major league player. They're the same age, and their career fWAR:

 

Goins - 0.0

Espinosa = 10.3

 

If I have to give one of them 100 or 200 PA, I choose Espinosa.

[Maico450]

Anyone else find this scenario a little confusing ?

 

Here are the sequence of events leading up to this:

 

The Jays decide not to resign Darwin Barney or Ryan Goins in the winter and both players walk.

 

Management make the following moves to shore up the middle infield due to injury concerns with Tulo and Travis:

 

1) 11/17/17 - Jays make trade with Pirates for Gift Ngoepe.

2) 12/1/17 - Jays makes trade with Cardinals for Aledmys Diaz.

3) 1/6/18 - Jays make trade with Padres for Yangervis Solarte.

 

Current Middle Infield Status:

Travis appears to have recovered and will be the starting 2nd baseman to open the season.

 

Aledmys Diaz will start the season at Shortstop in Tulo's absence.

 

Solarte is described as a "floater" who spells people when they need a day off.

 

They sign Espinosa. OK ... seems like a reasonable thing but I guess what I'm scratching my head at is , is there really a discernible difference between Danny Espinosa and Ryan Goins ? Their gloves are comparable (Goins played a full 41% of his career defensive innings at Shortstop and is more than serviceable. Early days but Espinosa has made 4 errors in a short period of time so far ) . The career slash line is as follows:

 

BA OBP OPS WAR

Ryan Goins .228 .275 .611 3.3

Danny Espinosa .221 .297 .675 7.6

 

The WAR variance is misleading though. The 'trend' (past couple of seasons) are almost the same.

 

The only real difference is that Espinosa has in the past displayed real power and Goins has not.

 

I have no issue with Danny Espinosa. None at all . I also have no real affinity for Ryan Goins. My confusion is that they did not foresee that they would need an extra infielder (they had to know Tulo was not going to start the season on the roster ) and why they didn't just keep Ryan Goins ? Keeping a known entity that seemed to fit in the clubhouse as opposed to brining in a very comparable player very late in camp just feels ... scrambly and unprepared by management. I guess that is what concerns me .

 

Am I not seeing something here or is there facts that I have not considered ?

 

You make a couple of points. After the season Goins had last year, I was a bit surprised that he was simply let go. In hindsight it may have been better to hang onto him until now

just to see how the offseason worked out. He could have been released at any point over the offseason, if the infield improvements had been significant.

However, with releasing Goins when they did, the Jays were able to protect one additional player from the rule 5 draft. That's significant.

In any case, I agree with the rest of the posters, that it is really a moot point today, Goins/Espinosa.

[Jimcanuck]

You make a couple of points. After the season Goins had last year, I was a bit surprised that he was simply let go. In hindsight it may have been better to hang onto him until now

just to see how the offseason worked out. He could have been released at any point over the offseason, if the infield improvements had been significant.

However, with releasing Goins when they did, the Jays were able to protect one additional player from the rule 5 draft. That's significant.

In any case, I agree with the rest of the posters, that it is really a moot point today, Goins/Espinosa.

 

Goins was not released, he was non-tendered, saving $1.8M.

 

No one in his right mind is going to sign Goins to a MLB contract for a guaranteed $1.8M when there are numerous similar options available for less.

[Maico450]

Goins was not released, he was non-tendered, saving $1.8M.

 

No one in his right mind is going to sign Goins to a MLB contract for a guaranteed $1.8M when there are numerous similar options available for less.

 

Anybody know what agreement was made with Espinosa if he makes the 25 man roster.