General 2018 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Abomination]

Am I foolish to think he might still have another 130-140 wRC+ season left in him???

 

Yeah, I think so. But a 110 wRC+ and 3 WAR I think is definitely a possibility.

[Jimcanuck]

Thank you

 

Lol

 

I'll happily accept 100 with above average defense

 

well thats pretty much the steamer projection, but how many games is Tulo going to miss, and how many nagging injuries will he play through.... will he even play a single game without pain......

[G-Snarls]

well thats pretty much the steamer projection, but how many games is Tulo going to miss, and how many nagging injuries will he play through.... will he even play a single game without pain......

 

And here's where I'm glad we upgraded our utility IF spot

[justafan]

If Tulo has a fairly good year, is he still tradeable at the deadline with his current salary? That would be a good scenario.

[Krylian]

If Tulo has a fairly good year, is he still tradeable at the deadline with his current salary? That would be a good scenario.

 

I don't think anyone should be expecting anything out of Tulo at this point.

[Key22]

If Tulo has a fairly good year, is he still trade-able at the deadline with his current salary? That would be a good scenario.

 

I don't think it will matter how good his first half is. I doubt anyone will bite. I was amazed that AA managed to move Vernon Wells but I believe he hit around 30 homers and looked to be getting better and the Angels bought it.

 

His contract is

2018 $20m

2019 $20m

2020 $14m

2021 $15m OR ($4m buyout.)

 

So we still owe him $58m guaranteed.

 

He's only 32 so I mean there is still a chance to bounce back from injuries. He has had 6 seasons where he put up better than 5 WAR seasons and 2016 he put up 3.3 WAR which is respectable for $20million. But he seems to have a long swing these days. Perhaps injury the issue there.

 

This is a really good team if Tulo goes back to 5+ WAR Tulo and Travis plays all year and Sanchez rebounds fully and the health is back to normal. Problem is - a lot of IFs.

[justafan]

Definitely it is a big contract. I'm OK with lower batting stats if his defensive skills return. I think having Joey gone may be a positive impact. Tulo likes to have his own team and didn't like being second fiddle. I think this will be a much better year.

[John_Havok]

Definitely it is a big contract. I'm OK with lower batting stats if his defensive skills return. I think having Joey gone may be a positive impact. Tulo likes to have his own team and didn't like being second fiddle. I think this will be a much better year.

 

How do you know he doesn't like being second fiddle? Which, btw he still is behind JD

[justafan]

I'm saying that because he always was. He has always liked being front and center and he certainly was for the Rockies. JD, while the best player around, doesn't have that same need. IMHO

[Dick_Pole]

Definitely it is a big contract. I'm OK with lower batting stats if his defensive skills return. I think having Joey gone may be a positive impact. Tulo likes to have his own team and didn't like being second fiddle. I think this will be a much better year.

 

I'm saying that because he always was. He has always liked being front and center and he certainly was for the Rockies. JD, while the best player around, doesn't have that same need. IMHO

 

I think this takes the prize for strangest idea I've ever seen on this board.

 

1. Unless you're his wife who heard Tulo's sweet nothings in her ear every night, you don't know what the hell this guy is thinking.

 

2. Him being #1 player on the team will have absolutely no impact on his ability at the plate or on the field. As a highly paid professional, he should be going 100% when he's not injured no matter the scenario.

 

3. Todd Helton

 

4. (mentioned already) Josh Donaldson

[John_Havok]

I'm saying that because he always was. He has always liked being front and center and he certainly was for the Rockies. JD, while the best player around, doesn't have that same need. IMHO

 

Okay, but on what are you basing your opinion? Articles you've read about Tulo specifically stating he likes being seen as the go to player on his team and if he's not that guy he feels it disrupts his ability to play?

 

If so, please link them. Otherwise it's just pure speculation with no basis in reality

 

Which, btw if theres even a shrednof truth to your statement of opinion, why would he have waived his no trade clause and accepted a trade to Toronto when he did, knowing full well Jose and Edwin and Martin and Donaldson were already here and he wouldn't be seen as the man?

[CraigG]

One last season of Donaldson and we're going after Cashner? What a sick joke. How about a Cobb or a Lynn instead FFS.

[LGBJ29]

One last season of Donaldson and we're going after Cashner? What a sick joke. How about a Cobb or a Lynn instead FFS.

 

They're looking for someone to sign a 1 year deal. They dont want to commit to 3+ years to Lynn. Besides, the difference between Cashner and Lynn isnt very big

[CraigG]

Besides, the difference between Cashner and Lynn isnt very big

 

Cashner's K rate dropped off a cliff last year... this year is our last chance to compete for a WC spot for probably a LONG time... I'd rather not take a flyer on Trashner.

[Spanky99]

Cashner's K rate dropped off a cliff last year... this year is our last chance to compete for a WC spot for probably a LONG time... I'd rather not take a flyer on Trashner.

 

I'm pretty sure the brass will exhaust all efforts in getting one of Cobb(please) or Lynn before they ink a guy like Cashner, due diligence, mate.

[Krylian]

Cashner's K rate dropped off a cliff last year... this year is our last chance to compete for a WC spot for probably a LONG time... I'd rather not take a flyer on Trashner.

 

That WC ship has already sailed.

[Terminator]

That WC ship has already sailed.

 

Not when we sign RA Dickey

[Spanky99]

That WC ship has already sailed.

 

Why? You've been so Debbie-Downer, why would this team not be in contention/conversaton for a WC spot?

[saskjayfan]

That WC ship has already sailed.

 

It's just easy being negative isn't it. The Twins won a wild card spot with 85 wins and we have no shot. Tulo's going to post an .OPS south of .650, Travis will be gone for the season by May, Grichuk will strike out 200 times, Sanchez will hit the DL at least twice, Smoak will look like the 2016 version. It's over!

[CraigG]

It's just easy being negative isn't it. The Twins won a wild card spot with 85 wins and we have no shot. Tulo's going to post an .OPS south of .650, Travis will be gone for the season by May, Grichuk will strike out 200 times, Sanchez will hit the DL at least twice, Smoak will look like the 2016 version. It's over!

 

Good chance at least three of these things happen

[Spanky99]

Good chance at least three of these things happen

 

lol

[saskjayfan]

Good chance at least three of these things happen

 

fire shatkins now then if 3 or more of those are probable.

[Pendleton]

Good chance at least three of these things happen

 

Which ones ?

[Bobthe4th]

Why? You've been so Debbie-Downer, why would this team not be in contention/conversaton for a WC spot?

 

We’re a middle of the pack team this year with a chance of above or below .500, depending on injuries and form. We’ve certainly got a chance of making the playoffs, but we’re not one of the favourites.

 

If Sanchez is fit then that’s the equivalent of signing a top of the rotation starter too.

[Spanky99]

We’re a middle of the pack team this year with a chance of above or below .500, depending on injuries and form. We’ve certainly got a chance of making the playoffs, but we’re not one of the favourites.

 

If Sanchez is fit then that’s the equivalent of signing a top of the rotation starter too.

 

So you agree with him? Or are you going to continue talking out, two sides of your mouth?

[Bobthe4th]

So you agree with him? Or are you going to continue talking out, two sides of your mouth?

 

I’ve been pretty consistent this offseason, a wildcard is a bonus this year, but IMO we’re in a lot better shape that a lot of people here think.

 

The season lives and dies on some prospects succeeding and the injury status of the starters, JD and the middle infield.

[Spanky99]

I’ve been pretty consistent this offseason, a wildcard is a bonus this year, but IMO we’re in a lot better shape that a lot of people here think.

 

The season lives and dies on some prospects succeeding and the injury status of the starters, JD and the middle infield.

 

I've and many others, have said this all a long... spinning the other side is being safe, no?

[Krylian]

It's just easy being negative isn't it. The Twins won a wild card spot with 85 wins and we have no shot. Tulo's going to post an .OPS south of .650, Travis will be gone for the season by May, Grichuk will strike out 200 times, Sanchez will hit the DL at least twice, Smoak will look like the 2016 version. It's over!

 

It's not easy because I want my team to do well. But I'm not going to pretend that I see what some others see on this team. I don't see the talent. Could everything come together and they win 100 games? Sure. Lighting could strike. But I don't think that will happen.

 

Yes. I know they don't need to win 100 games...I think they'll be hard pressed to even play .500

[Bobthe4th]

I've and many others, have said this all a long... spinning the other side is being safe, no?

 

I think it’s unrealistic to expect to win >85 or <75 games with this roster, so anticipating a middle of the pack team is just being sensible.

 

However, one of the things that makes sport exciting is you don’t know what can happen. So finding out how many things go wrong or right this year is going to be interesting, with the added bonus of determining the future of the franchise for the next 3-5 years (i.e. rebuild or no rebuild).

[Spanky99]

I think it’s unrealistic to expect to win >85 or <75 games with this roster, so anticipating a middle of the pack team is just being sensible.

 

However, one of the things that makes sport exciting is you don’t know what can happen. So finding out how many things go wrong or right this year is going to be interesting, with the added bonus of determining the future of the franchise for the next 3-5 years (i.e. rebuild or no rebuild).

 

But this team isn't finalized, that's unfair. What IF s*** goes right? You don't know... Our team is better, then you all expect.