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[Spanky__99]

BVW is dumn as f***.

 

Holy Smokes! Bwahahahahaha...

[Orgfiller]

I don't understand. Cano is a clear downgrade on McNeil while making like a billion dollars per year vs. league min. What in the hell is this dummy doing?

 

Not like I really care, lol Mets.

 

I'm also curious as to what Seattle is doing. I know they said Diaz is off the table, it's just a dumb thing to say when a deal like this comes along but are they rebuilding after being reasonably competitive the past little while or going sideways? Calling a closer untouchable seems to indicate a desire to compete immediately but then they trade their best two pitchers. I don't get it.

 

They're definitely rebuilding if the Paxton trade is any indication. And it makes sense, they're nowhere near Houston, the Yankees, Boston and have a much lower ceiling than Oakland. They were competitive but they weren't an upper tier team in the AL which is very top heavy, they probably hit their ceiling and don't have the prospects to supplement their holes either internally or via trade acquisition.

[Boxcar]

They're definitely rebuilding if the Paxton trade is any indication. And it makes sense, they're nowhere near Houston, the Yankees, Boston and have a much lower ceiling than Oakland. They were competitive but they weren't an upper tier team in the AL which is very top heavy, they probably hit their ceiling and don't have the prospects to supplement their holes either internally or via trade acquisition.

 

Then why call players on your roster untouchable? Why the rumors around trading for Wil Myers? Why aren't they aggressively shopping guys like Seager and Segura?

[Orgfiller]

Then why call players on your roster untouchable? Why the rumors around trading for Wil Myers? Why aren't they aggressively shopping guys like Seager and Segura?

 

Probably just a negotiating tactic, they might think they have more leverage if they publicly make certain players appear untouchable or whatever. DiPoto is no Jack Z but I'm not convinced he also is necessarily very good regardless lol.

[baseballsss]

Probably just a negotiating tactic, they might think they have more leverage if they publicly make certain players appear untouchable or whatever. DiPoto is no Jack Z but I'm not convinced he also is necessarily very good regardless lol.

 

Or maybe even Seattle didn’t think anyone was that dumb to give up all that and take on Canos salary(assuming no money is exchanged)

[Jimcanuck]

Will be hilarious if Cano has a big drop off next season (he's 36) and Diaz has an arm injury. Both these things very possible. It's the LOLMets after all.

[Boxcar]

Will be hilarious if Cano has a big drop off next season (he's 36) and Diaz has an arm injury. Both these things very possible. It's the LOLMets after all.

 

This is not going to catch on. Please stop, we already have a tercet and one is enough.

[King]

Someone named Andy Martino said the deal is only for Bruce/Swarzak, Gerson Bautista and Kelenic

[P2F]

Someone named Andy Martino said the deal is only for Bruce/Swarzak, Gerson Bautista and Kelenic

 

Mets reportedly pulled McNeil from the deal. Dunn is still in the deal, though.

[BTS]

Has it been reported how much $$$ is going to NY?

[P2F]

Has it been reported how much $$$ is going to NY?

 

Not that I've yet seen, but you'd have to assume it's a significant amount. That being said, with McNeil now out of the deal, it might've just become less money.

[Boxcar]

Not that I've yet seen, but you'd have to assume it's a significant amount. That being said, with McNeil now out of the deal, it might've just become less money.

 

So why trade for Cano? Is having two starting 2Bs a new market inefficiency?

[King]

McNeil is being criminally underrated by basically everyone on the internet

[P2F]

So why trade for Cano? Is having two starting 2Bs a new market inefficiency?

 

Latest word is that the Mets are fighting to keep McNeil out of the deal, but I'm assuming the Mariners are trying everything they can to have him included. Jeff McNeil might be better than Robinson Cano right now, not even considering age, experience, or contracts of either player. It's obviously that much more lopsided in favour of McNeil when you account for Cano's massive contract that pays him into his age-40 season.

 

This is all so bizarre. I have no idea what's going on.

[Boxcar]

Latest word is that the Mets are fighting to keep McNeil out of the deal, but I'm assuming the Mariners are trying everything they can to have him included. Jeff McNeil might be better than Robinson Cano right now, not even considering age, experience, or contracts of either player. It's obviously that much more lopsided in favour of McNeil when you account for Cano's massive contract that pays him into his age-40 season.

 

This is all so bizarre. I have no idea what's going on.

 

I'd put money on McNeil being better right now. His projection seems awfully conservative.

 

At the end of the day, I have no idea why GMBVW wants to keep McNeil if he's trading for Cano but I'm going to assume Seattle will throw a little something in so that the Mets do end up including him.

 

Man, the Mets are run by literal retards.

[glory]

[Slade]

I cannot believe the Mets are going to make this trade.

[Ray]

Part of me thinks the Wilpons just want to get Cano to send a massive f*** you to the Yankees.

[Captain Adama]

Part of me thinks the Wilpons just want to get Cano to send a massive f*** you to the Yankees.

 

I'm sure the Yankees couldn't care less.

[The Cats Ass]

So why trade for Cano? Is having two starting 2Bs a new market inefficiency?

 

Move McNeil to 3B. Or have a rotating infield. McNeil 3B/2B, Cano 2B/1B, Frazier 3B/1B, Peter Alonso 1B. I actually think the Mets lineup could be sneaky good this year with a full year from Conforto, and Nimmo. Now if only Cespedes can stay healthy.

[Laika]

Part of me thinks the Wilpons just want to get Cano to send a massive f*** you to the Yankees.

 

If by "massive" you mean "pathetic", then perhaps

[Laika]

Move McNeil to 3B. Or have a rotating infield. McNeil 3B/2B, Cano 2B/1B, Frazier 3B/1B, Peter Alonso 1B. I actually think the Mets lineup could be sneaky good this year with a full year from Conforto, and Nimmo. Now if only Cespedes can stay healthy.

 

Jeff McNeil is getting a lot of love during these rumours. I can almost feel his DDL value getting higher.

[Brownie19]

I think NYM can come out ahead depending on how much money SEA sends along with Cano.

 

If you flip Diaz you will get more than Kelenic and Dunn.

 

SEA is already taking $40M of garbage from NYM. If they kick in another $20M that means the Mets are getting Cano for 5/$60M? I bet he outperforms that AAV for the next couple years. Steamer has him at 3 WAR next year.

 

You could even shoot him into the moon on the last year of the deal and just call it 4/$60M and it's not that gross of a contract. He had 3 wins in 80 games last year.

 

Does the board agree you could get more than Kelenic and Dunn for Diaz?

[Brownie19]

Move McNeil to 3B. Or have a rotating infield. McNeil 3B/2B, Cano 2B/1B, Frazier 3B/1B, Peter Alonso 1B. I actually think the Mets lineup could be sneaky good this year with a full year from Conforto, and Nimmo. Now if only Cespedes can stay healthy.

 

C - Mesoraco/Plawecki/TDA?

1st - Alonso/Cano

2nd - Cano/McNeil

SS - Rosario

3rd - McNeil/Frasier

LF - Cespedes

CF - Nimmo

RF - Conforto

 

SP - DeGrom, Thor, Wheeler, Lugo, Matz

B - s*** + Diaz

 

They need to get a lot of middle relief and some more depth, but that's probably a good team.

[The Cats Ass]

Jeff McNeil is getting a lot of love during these rumours. I can almost feel his DDL value getting higher.

 

He's probably just a one hit wonder anyway. I can fully see why the Mets would try to unload him.

[Pendleton]

C - Mesoraco/Plawecki/TDA?

1st - Alonso/Cano

2nd - Cano/McNeil

SS - Rosario

3rd - McNeil/Frasier

LF - Cespedes

CF - Nimmo

RF - Conforto

 

SP - DeGrom, Thor, Wheeler, Lugo, Matz

B - s*** + Diaz

 

They need to get a lot of middle relief and some more depth, but that's probably a good team.

 

They should sign hometown Ottavino as the set up guy

[King]

60 mil heading to the Mets

[King]

Does the board agree you could get more than Kelenic and Dunn for Diaz?

 

Yes

[Laika]

60 mil heading to the Mets

 

Wow!

 

This flips the whole deal around. The Mariners are reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee[censored]ed

[Laika]

Bruce is a $26M future sunk cost.

Swarzak is an $8M future sunk cost.

Mets therefore are getting $94M in "money" from the Mariners.

Cano is under contract for 5/$120M.

Mets essentially are getting Cano for 5/$26M or whatever.

Cano can still ball.

Diaz is perhaps worth more than the two prospects.