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Spanky99 GOAT

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Maybe. But one of the few things the Orioles were good at was putting together a bullpen.

 

Although Hader was more thought out as a starter, he's just been fantastic in his role. Your club has been always a BP, and TTO club, to an extent.

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Although Hader was more thought out as a starter, he's just been fantastic in his role. Your club has been always a BP, and TTO club, to an extent.

 

I think he would have ended up there. Problem is they might have wasted a healthy chunk of service time in the process. But of course, no one knows for sure. All I know is I'd love to have him on the O's right now. :)

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I think he would have ended up there. Problem is they might have wasted a healthy chunk of service time in the process. But of course, no one knows for sure. All I know is I'd love to have him on the O's right now. :)

 

What was the trade? Sorry, I'm being lazy...

 

Weird...

 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/columnists/tom-haudricourt/2018/04/20/haudricourt-because-there-crying-baseball-brewers-have-josh-hader-bullpen-force/526901002/

 

Found it...

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-orioles-hader-20180717-story.html

 

Yikes!

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What was the trade? Sorry, I'm being lazy...

 

Looks like my memory is bad sometimes (stupid medication effects). (He was traded in 2013, not 2014)

 

Jul 31, 2013

 

Baltimore sent outfielder L.J. Hoes and left-handed prospect Josh Hader to the Astros for Bud Norris.

 

To be fair, we did get value out of Bud Norris and he was an important part of the 2014 rotation. Of course, I can now go back and point that we won the AL East in 2014 by 12 games so we didn't need him. :D

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Looks like my memory is bad sometimes (stupid medication effects). (He was traded in 2013, not 2014)

 

Jul 31, 2013

 

Baltimore sent outfielder L.J. Hoes and left-handed prospect Josh Hader to the Astros for Bud Norris.

 

To be fair, we did get value out of Bud Norris and he was an important part of the 2014 rotation. Of course, I can now go back and point that we won the AL East in 2014 by 12 games so we didn't need him. :D

 

But... lol. I know we can all do this, losing Syndergaard for Dickey was atrocious. He did help in '15, but...

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Well Kenley Jansen isn't exactly solidifying his case for a bunch of high leverage innings in the postseason.

 

Yeah, that was fugly. It should be better entertainment, tomorrow night.

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Who gets home advantage if the Cubs play Atlanta or LA?

 

wildcard will never host, other than world series between another wildcard, then idk how they decide it.

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Severino starting over Happ for the Yanks in the WC game. People seem surprised by this. Why? Severino was superior in almost every single way this season, including his recent success in the month of September.

 

 

Are people speculating Happ would start b/c of his W/L record with the Yanks?

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Severino starting over Happ for the Yanks in the WC game. People seem surprised by this. Why? Severino was superior in almost every single way this season, including his recent success in the month of September.

 

 

Are people speculating Happ would start b/c of his W/L record with the Yanks?

 

Probably more comparing ERA - Severino 2nd half of the season = 5.57, Happ since the trade = 2.69. Plus Severino only got one out when starting in the wildcard last year. People still put too much weight behind stuff like this, but luckily for the Yankees their management doesn't.

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Over their last 11 starts, Happ is 7-0 with a 2.69 ERA (4.21 FIP) while Severino is 5-5 with a 5.12 ERA (3.21 FIP).

 

So yeah, combination of W/L and ERA.

 

I don't know what OAK's splits are against lefties and righties, but it's really a toss up here. Severino is better, but for one game match ups are very important. Plus the Yankees probably go with Green for 2-3 innings and then Robertson/Betances/Chapman for another 3-4 so they won't even use the starter much.

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