Around Baseball 2018

[glory]

Loaiza's 2003 season right after leaving the Jays still stings.

[AledmysDiaz]

Apparently a 6 year deal is not good enough for Arrieta coming off a 2.4 WAR Season. He is 31 years old, has a draft pick attached to him, and just lost a mile per hour in his fastball last year.

[jaysfan2014]

Apparently a 6 year deal is not good enough for Arrieta coming off a 2.4 WAR Season. He is 31 years old, has a draft pick attached to him, and just lost a mile per hour in his fastball last year.

 

It's demands like this that are freezing the free agent market.. players are demanding too many years and too much money. Unless things change soon, we'll be still seeing free agents unsigned well into March..

[Brownie19]

Apparently a 6 year deal is not good enough for Arrieta coming off a 2.4 WAR Season. He is 31 years old, has a draft pick attached to him, and just lost a mile per hour in his fastball last year.

 

But the Owners are colluding and ruining baseball. Right.

[glory]

Yeah all this talk of collusion would have never happened if Boras just had his guys sign the ridiculous contracts they were offered. I hope the owners and players are smart enough not to let Scott f'n Boras cause a lockout.

 

Just to reiterate, trade Sanchez if/when he bounces back. Dealing with Boras for three years sounds like damn torture.

[Abomination]

Yeah all this talk of collusion would have never happened if Boras just had his guys sign the ridiculous contracts they were offered. I hope the owners and players are smart enough not to let Scott f'n Boras cause a lockout.

 

Just to reiterate, trade Sanchez if/when he bounces back. Dealing with Boras for three years sounds like damn torture.

 

Worse case they just take him to arbitration for three years. It's really not that big a deal. We're definitely not gonna be able to extend him though.

[G-Snarls]

Worse case they just take him to arbitration for three years. It's really not that big a deal. We're definitely not gonna be able to extend him though.

 

Exactly

 

Accept 3 years of arbitration salaries, and trade him in his walk year or collect a draft pick when he leaves

 

Zero point attempting a pre-free agency extension, Boras clients never sign them

[Sammy225]

https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/outspoken-goose-gossage-not-welcome-at-yankees-camp/

 

It would not be spring training if Goose was not in the news lol

[CrackerJack]

https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/outspoken-goose-gossage-not-welcome-at-yankees-camp/

 

It would not be spring training if Goose was not in the news lol

 

I remember rarely missing a sports update on the TV & radio during the '83-84 offseason in hopes of hearing that Gillick had signed Goose as a FA ... (after the Joey McLaughlin horror show.)

[G-Snarls]

Tim Lincecum giving a demo for MLB teams

 

Wonder if he can wrangle an MLB job

 

I'm sure lots of teams would take a flyer on a cheap deal if he looks serviceable

[Spanky__99]

https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/outspoken-goose-gossage-not-welcome-at-yankees-camp/

 

It would not be spring training if Goose was not in the news lol

 

lol... what a dickcheese!

[BTS]

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-opening-bell/

 

lmao @ the current state of FG

[TheHurl]

Yeah all this talk of collusion would have never happened if Boras just had his guys sign the ridiculous contracts they were offered. I hope the owners and players are smart enough not to let Scott f'n Boras cause a lockout.

 

Just to reiterate, trade Sanchez if/when he bounces back. Dealing with Boras for three years sounds like damn torture.

 

I know i'm a Boras fan, so my opinion is skewed, but he's one of the most interesting characters in baseball. Most of the front offices actually say they like dealing with him, and in most cases his players get what they demand (I can see a change in that though) but he's also tackling issues in the CBA publicly. Sometimes subtle like how he mentioned the Jays should have offered Sanchez a small raise as a show of good faith after his 2016 season. That had little to do with Sanchez, but much more to do with the CBA, and now the media has started to pick up on that story. Most agents are *******s and he's let himself be the face for baseball agents.

 

MBLPA needs agents to be the bad guys to get what they want. Is any of it good for baseball...nope. But the MLB nor the MLBPA care as much about what is good for baseball.

[Brownie19]

Did he suggest Sanchez take a pay cut for his s*****, injury plagued 2017 season?

[Brownie19]

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-opening-bell/

 

lmao @ the current state of FG

 

A good comment in response:

 

"This is the article I’ll have in mind when I let my membership lapse.

 

I don’t mean that as an attack on the author, who I commend for engaging with readers below. Nor as a disparagement of his approach to baseball – there are an infinite number of ways to enjoy the sport, and I’m glad he has found one that works for him – but it’s just not for me.

 

More specifically, it strikes me as undifferentiated from the overwhelming majority of sports content I can find online, and that’s not what I have come to FanGraphs for.

 

“Who cares where you are on the win curve?” and “Chicks dig the long ball!” are obviously perfectly valid perspectives – but they are ubiquitous. An angle that I can get from ESPN, or Yahoo Sports, or a seemingly infinite breadth of sites across the internet. Heck, I could go back and read old Mike Lupica and Dan Shaughnessy articles (or new ones, if they are still alive and writing about baseball).

 

I personally love baseball both on the field AND off the field; I enjoy thinking about a franchise over the long term – including things like the allocation of finite resources, player value versus player cost, etc. And from a less wonky angle, as a fan I DON’T want my team to “just go for it” every year. I appreciate that moving from 77 wins to 81 wins doesn’t increase my enjoyment of the game if it comes at the cost of a move from 84 to 89 wins next year.

 

For a long time, FanGraphs has been a great place to read about the sport from that analytical angle. That is clearly changing. I had been thinking that some of the recent articles were just frustrated, overwrought responses to a slow off-season. But this is different; this is an explicit choice to hire a writer whose first article, to me, turns away from what I have enjoyed most about the site.

 

I don’t mean for this to sound petty, and from the comments and votes below, it appears I may be in the minority. That’s good; I hope the people who work here find success and the remaining readers find enjoyment. In the same way I don’t begrudge a franchise owner who runs his/her team to maximize long-term success, I don’t begrudge Appelman if this is what he has to do to maximize ad revenue. Online content publishing is a brutally tough business, and maybe the previous content has proven too nichey and a more boilerplate approach is the answer financially. But I’ll just make one tiny vote with my wallet and look to dedicate my support elsewhere.

 

The internet is a hydra, and in the same way that FanGraphs’ audience may have initially sprung from what Baseball Prospectus became in the first few years post Nate Silver, I am hopeful this post-Cameron FanGraphs may ultimately open an outlet elsewhere for analytically-inclined authors to flourish.

 

Until then – So long, and thanks for all the fWAR."

[Orgfiller]

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-opening-bell/

 

lmao @ the current state of FG

 

So this guy in his first article basically just said that an extra $50M to sign Yu Darvish than what he got should have been a no-brainer for all teams. Because an extra $50M has definitely never crippled any team financially, in the recent and foreseeable future, and the fans were always better for it. Oh, hey Detroit Tigers, how're you guys doing?

[G-Snarls]

Sources say Boston's offer to JD Martinez closer to 100M than 125M

 

Boras meeting with DBacks ownership

 

Would love to see him end up staying in Arizona

[BTS]

So this guy in his first article basically just said that an extra $50M to sign Yu Darvish than what he got should have been a no-brainer for all teams. Because an extra $50M has definitely never crippled any team financially, in the recent and foreseeable future, and the fans were always better for it. Oh, hey Detroit Tigers, how're you guys doing?

 

Yes. His first article at Fangraphs was about how fans should stop worrying about the future and finding efficient front offices satisfying to watch, and instead just root for a bunch of FA overpays that will certainly hurt teams' ability to compete down the road, because Aaron Judge dingers are fun to watch (or something). It's just complete uninterpretable nonsense.

 

It's sad to watch that site continue to circle the drain. They were probably the biggest reason why the average fan's understanding today is exponentially deeper than it was a decade ago, and now they have a staff of untalented writers pumping out two 500-word narrative driven pieces a day.

[z3r0s]

Sources say Boston's offer to JD Martinez closer to 100M than 125M

 

Boras meeting with DBacks ownership

 

Would love to see him end up staying in Arizona

 

100-125/5 is getting into very 'worth it' territory on a bat like that.

[Brownie19]

Yes. His first article at Fangraphs was about how fans should stop worrying about the future and finding efficient front offices satisfying to watch, and instead just root for a bunch of FA overpays that will certainly hurt teams' ability to compete down the road, because Aaron Judge dingers are fun to watch (or something). It's just complete uninterpretable nonsense.

 

It's sad to watch that site continue to circle the drain. They were probably the biggest reason why the average fan's understanding today is exponentially deeper than it was a decade ago, and now they have a staff of untalented writers pumping out two 500-word narrative driven pieces a day.

 

+1. At least they're still a good resource for the stats themselves.

[L54]

Yes. His first article at Fangraphs was about how fans should stop worrying about the future and finding efficient front offices satisfying to watch, and instead just root for a bunch of FA overpays that will certainly hurt teams' ability to compete down the road, because Aaron Judge dingers are fun to watch (or something). It's just complete uninterpretable nonsense.

 

It's sad to watch that site continue to circle the drain. They were probably the biggest reason why the average fan's understanding today is exponentially deeper than it was a decade ago, and now they have a staff of untalented writers pumping out two 500-word narrative driven pieces a day.

 

FG unquestionably is the reason why my understanding is so much deeper than it was five years ago. I used to read all of their articles and chats, and probably gave the site 100+ hits per day between player profiles and articles. Now I literally find myself googling players names + fangraphs to check out who I want, and then leave the site. It's demise has been sad to watch.

 

I guess when you have bills to pay and mouths to feed you do what you've gotta do, but I can't help but think there is some sort of middle ground where they stop pushing out watered down content for the sake of it and instead publish fewer articles with more meaning and substance. I for one know I would read more if I knew the content was going to be worthy of reading.

 

They've become a stepping stone for a lot of guys, and have had a lot of turnover recently. There's no doubt its tough to keep the quality high when you keep losing your best employees but most companies face the same problems, so to me it's up to them to continue finding good writers and not guys who try and tell their audience that teams are dumb for not signing Yu Darvish for 50M more than every single front office was willing to sign.

[Sammy225]

I am going to start off by saying i am a huge Votto fan.... maybe the maple leaf sways be a bit but i think he is the best hitter in the league if not one of the best.... I don't know if he f***ed Russos wife but the guy just spews s*** against him i have never stand to listen to him.

 

[BTS]

I am going to start off by saying i am a huge Votto fan.... maybe the maple leaf sways be a bit but i think he is the best hitter in the league if not one of the best.... I don't know if he f***ed Russos wife but the guy just spews s*** against him i have never stand to listen to him.

 

 

Ha, what an idiot

[P2F]

Good lord, that man is insufferable. Good on Brian Kenny for staying composed while that blithering fool constantly cut him off to spew his stupidity and ignorance.

 

It was like talking to a wall - a really dumn wall.

[Dr. Dinger]

I don't know if he f***ed Russos wife

 

I don't know if Russo f***ed his own wife; that guy has closet case written all over him.

[Abomination]

100-125/5 is getting into very 'worth it' territory on a bat like that.

 

Agreed, sticking him in our lineup would make it suddenly look a hell of a lot better.

[z3r0s]

Agreed, sticking him in our lineup would make it suddenly look a hell of a lot better.

 

at the very least drive up the price for the BoSox!

[G-Snarls]

Agreed, sticking him in our lineup would make it suddenly look a hell of a lot better.

 

RF for 2 years then DH when Morales is gone

 

Yes please

[glory]

Brian Kenny is this forum and Russo is the sportsnet comments section.

[z3r0s]

RF for 2 years then DH when Morales is gone

 

Yes please

 

Pretty much. Or you do whatever you have to do to trade Morales for a bag of balls and just start that now.