Jays in on Ozuna. Boring off-season

[Dr. Dinger]

Also Gleyber Torres plus stuff to rent Chapman.

 

Pretty much everyone thought that was insane at the time and it's only looked worse as time went on.

[BTS]

Pretty much everyone thought that was insane at the time and it's only looked worse as time went on.

 

I don't disagree. I do think Ozuna is going return someone better regarded than Alford though, unless Chen is wrapped up in a deal.

 

A deal with Toronto seems incredibly unlikely because Toronto won't move the guy Miami will be asking for and almost certainly won't take on a bunch of sunk money in Chen.

[Spanky99]

How the f*** would we have to give up one of the best prospects in baseball to a dumpster fire team who just traded the NL MVP for Starlin Castro because their ownership group bought the team without actually having money.

 

Ding... Ding... Ding... we have a winner!

[Ray]

At this point, isn't Ramirez a bust? He was outrighted from the 40 man last month.

 

It's not like he's the headliner in that deal. Just a throw in. He can still be a toolsy 4th OF type. Maybe like Carrera.

[Spanky99]

I still have faith in Pompey!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Until he gets hurt...

[BTS]

Ozuna to the Cards

[Dr. Dinger]

Right. Yelich anyone?

[jays4life19]

You would have to think Randal Grichuk would be very available now.

[Abomination]

Right. Yelich anyone?

 

Hell yes! Even if we had to take Chen to make it happen.

[BTS]

You would have to think Randal Grichuk would be very available now.

 

Yup. Pham/Fowler/Ozuna in the OF, Carpenter at 1B. And still Martinez/Piscotty/Grichuk/Bader with nowhere to play. At least one of these guys will be going to Miami though.

[glory]

You would have to think Randal Grichuk would be very available now.

 

Yeah, if he's not going to Miami, then the Jays might be able to get him for cheap now.

[THANOS]

Yelich and Chen full contracts for Pompey & SRF

 

Given that financial health is Miami's #1 priority, would this be enough for us not to include Vlad/Bo/Alford/or Pearson?

[BTS]

Yelich will make $58.3M over the next 5 years, his age-26 to 30 seasons. Fangraphs contract tool has him worth something like $190M over the 5 years. I don't think he'd get that, but he'd definitely get $150M over 5 years. I think you can conservatively say he's worth at least $100M in trade value. Miami would be completely justified in demanding that Toronto take on Chen's remaining $52M, and send Bo Bichette +.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yelich and Chen full contracts for Pompey & SRF

 

Given that financial health is Miami's #1 priority, would this be enough for us not to include Vlad/Bo/Alford/or Pearson?

 

 

Zero chance. Honestly thats insulting.

 

Yelich is worth something close to $100M in surplus and Chen has like $55M left and isn't worth nothing. Pompey's value is basically a PTBNL right now and SRF might be worth $10-15M.

 

You can't trade for one of the best contracts in the league and give up garbage.

[THANOS]

Yelich will make $58.3M over the next 5 years, his age-26 to 30 seasons. Fangraphs contract tool has him worth something like $190M over the 5 years. I don't think he'd get that, but he'd definitely get $150M over 5 years. I think you can conservatively say he's worth at least $100M in trade value. Miami would be completely justified in demanding that Toronto take on Chen's remaining $52M, and send Bo Bichette +.

 

Fair enough. I don't think our FO would part with Bo straight up for Yelich, let alone that presumed package, so I guess it's not possible.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'd trade Alford and Pearson in a second for Yellich plus Chen.

[jays_fever]

Fair enough. I don't think our FO would part with Bo straight up for Yelich, let alone that presumed package, so I guess it's not possible.

 

If they turn down Bo for Yellich we need a new management

[BTS]

So you mean to tell me the Marlins didn't get a Vlad JR type prospect for Ozuna? Who could have guessed.

 

The Jays didn't offer Vlad, and didn't get Ozuna. Which was the point I was making when I said he'd probably cost them Vlad. Ozuna should be worth something like $55M in value. The two teams were not a good match.

[Ray]

Anthony Alford, Reese McGuire, Sean Reid-Foley, and Conner Greene for Yelich+Chen. Would that be enough?

 

Quite honestly, I'd be willing to part with anyone but Bo, Vlad and Pearson for Yelich.

[Dr. Dinger]

Anthony Alford, Reese McGuire, Sean Reid-Foley, and Conner Greene for Yelich+Chen. Would that be enough?

 

Quite honestly, I'd be willing to part with anyone but Bo, Vlad and Pearson for Yelich.

 

I would gladly part with Pearson for Yelich. Probably Bo, too. Pearson is far from untouchable, the odds of him ever becoming a 4 WAR player like Yelich are incredibly low.

[BTS]

I would gladly part with Pearson for Yelich. Probably Bo, too. Pearson is far from untouchable, the odds of him ever becoming a 4 WAR player like Yelich are incredibly low.

 

Vlad should be the only guy in the system that people would be inclined to hold back in talks for Yelich. Yelich is a 4-5 win player signed for less than 60M over the next 5 years. I like Bichette, but the odds of him ever providing that kind of value are not high. I don't think anybody would regret moving him for Yelich.

[BTS]

Apparently Alcantara is the centerpiece. The Marlins have completely botched this trade.

[Dr. Dinger]

Vlad should be the only guy in the system that people would be inclined to hold back in talks for Yelich. Yelich is a 4-5 win player signed for less than 60M over the next 5 years. I like Bichette, but the odds of him ever providing that kind of value are not high. I don't think anybody would regret moving him for Yelich.

 

There's a good chance that the hype on Bo will never be higher. If Bo is what it takes to get Yelich (without taking on Chen's dead money), then that's absolutely worth considering. As you rightly pointed out, there is oodles of surplus value on that contract.

[Dick_Pole]

Hmmm...a 4ish WAR player under a reasonable contract for several years who plays a position in desperate need for this team versus a prospect who maybe one day becomes a 4ish WAR player in 2020 if we are lucky. This is a no-brainer, if the FO can pull this off or is even looking at this right now. Stop prospect hoarding.

[Dr. Dinger]

Apparently Alcantara is the centerpiece. The Marlins have completely botched this trade.

 

It's kind of bizarre, what was the rush to trade Ozuna? Alcantara is alright, but he's a pitcher and not even a consensus Top 100 guy. They should have at least been able to get Reyes here. I would have thought that many teams would be in on Ozuna, given his youth and relatively modest projected arb salary. They should have been able to get at the very least at Top 50 position prospect and some near-MLB ready ~50 FV types.

[Dick_Pole]

Apparently Alcantara is the centerpiece. The Marlins have completely botched this trade.

 

...as expected? They have no leverage with anything right now.

 

Instead of you two sitting like ladies and bitch-slapping each other about this, you could be focused on how the Jays could benefit if Atkins is one of the first vultures on the scene to pick away at this dead, beached marlin.

[Dr. Dinger]

For whatever little this is worth:

 

Marlins intend to hold on to Christian Yelich

http://www.rotoworld.com/images/headshots/MLB/6450.jpg

Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports hears the Marlins "intend to hold onto Christian Yelich."

 

There is a massive organizational fire sale underway in Miami, with Giancarlo Stanton and Marcell Ozuna already out the door, but Yelich is under the Marlins' control through 2021 with a club option for 2022 and they apparently want to try to build around the 26-year-old outfielder. Alex Pavlovic of CSN Bay Area confirms this thought, tweeting Wednesday that the Giants "have repeatedly been told" by the Marlins that Yelich is not available.

[Dr. Dinger]

I still laugh when I read "Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports."

[Sammy225]

For whatever little this is worth:

 

Marlins intend to hold on to Christian Yelich

http://www.rotoworld.com/images/headshots/MLB/6450.jpg

Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports hears the Marlins "intend to hold onto Christian Yelich."

 

There is a massive organizational fire sale underway in Miami, with Giancarlo Stanton and Marcell Ozuna already out the door, but Yelich is under the Marlins' control through 2021 with a club option for 2022 and they apparently want to try to build around the 26-year-old outfielder. Alex Pavlovic of CSN Bay Area confirms this thought, tweeting Wednesday that the Giants "have repeatedly been told" by the Marlins that Yelich is not available.

 

Poor Yelich

[BTS]

...as expected? They have no leverage with anything right now.

 

They shouldn't need leverage to move someone like Ozuna for an appropriate return. 10+ teams should have been involved in this and bidding against each other. If the return ends up Alcantara and garbage, that's their FO not properly valuing assets.