Offseason Roster Thread 2017-18

[Terminator]

I just meant in terms perhaps Travis isn't going to be healthy for a long time so they've given up hope that he'll even play. I know what you are saying and agree.

 

I think fans expect Travis will be ready to start the season and that he will get injured again at some point but perhaps he's still injured so that is why they looking to spend the $15-$20 million to bring in a guy like Nunez on a 2 year deal.

 

But what does it matter when he plays his 50 games? If Travis plays his 50 games at the beginning of the year or his 50 games in the middle or at the end of the year we still need 110 games to fill. That's what Orgfiller means, I think. That is why they are looking to spend a decent chunk of change on someone who can fill in.

[Terminator]

We could take on Martin Prado's contract as a LF/3B/2B in order to lessen what we'd have to give up to get Yelich.

[TheHurl]

What do you mean? Essentially every player you're thinking of trading is less valuable right now than they were this time one year because they have less control. The only guy who I think now has more value is Smoak. Sleep walking through a lost season just cost this franchise significantly.

 

You are overestimating the return on average to slightly above average players. The difference is timing and need more than the extra year of control.

[TheHurl]

Shapiro suggesting he would have started a rebuild last year if he could seems to me like the decision to "compete" came from above him. If a front office doesn't want to do whats best for the franchise long-term and wants to tread water because of attendance, they're incredibly incompetent. Shapiro watched over the cleveland rebuild, i highly doubt he's the one that made the decision to continue to "compete"

 

A President's job is also to turn a profit. I think he is saying that the balance is tough with this fanbase.

[saskjayfan]

A President's job is also to turn a profit. I think he is saying that the balance is tough with this fanbase.

 

we were second in the AL in attendance and we lost 86 games last year.

[jays4life19]

Not that appears we were ever considering trading Donaldson but....

 

as per MLBTR

 

" Cardinals GM Michael Girsch told Ben Frederickson of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that giving up significant assets for a star player with just one year of control remaining is “not a path we are likely to go down.” Interestingly, this description applies to both Machado and to another oft-mentioned Cards trade target in Josh Donaldson"

 

It was a fun thought though.

[saskjayfan]

The Jays should just pass on Nunez, sign lackey and some reasonably priced bullpen help like Rondon and call it a day.

[Angrioter]

The Jays should just pass on Nunez, sign lackey and some reasonably priced bullpen help like Rondon and call it a day.

 

Travis, Tulo and Nuñez in the same roster could be a disaster

[GreekFatAss]

Anyone in the Rule 5 tomorrow that you guys are interested in?

[glory]

Travis, Tulo and Nuñez in the same roster could be a disaster

 

Nunez could be a volatile player coming off his injury, and he's not great defensively anywhere, but the options are pretty limited. Travis and Tulo are likely going to miss a lot of time, and it wouldn't shock me if both are not ready by opening day just based on the injuries they had, so the Jays need to find an infielder capable of playing everyday. Nunez makes sense. Harrison makes sense. Nunez will just cost money so he's less risky in that sense.

[Terminator]

Howie Kendrick would make sense too.

[saskjayfan]

Travis, Tulo and Nuñez in the same roster could be a disaster

 

 

that's why I said don't sign him

[Terminator]

The Jays should just pass on Nunez, sign lackey and some reasonably priced bullpen help like Rondon and call it a day.

 

We aren't dead broke. If we are going to tread water we should at least address some of our other needs with 1 or two year deals.

[Captain Adama]

Jays really should focus on extending Donaldson at this point. Trading him this point onward will likely be a poor short and long term decision.

[Terminator]

Jays really should focus on extending Donaldson at this point. Trading him this point onward will likely be a poor short and long term decision.

 

I'm leaning this way unless someone backs the truck up for him. The vibe I'm getting is that isn't happening though.

[Angrioter]

Jays really should focus on extending Donaldson at this point. Trading him this point onward will likely be a poor short and long term decision.

 

Donaldson is a s*** actor and an old player. Trade him Shapiro

[Jonn]

Hard to imagine us giving Donaldson a 5 or 6 year deal at 20+ million at age 33. That would be outrageous. But unless they are going out to get talent to compete now they need to trade him immediately. I would love to compete next year but litterally everything woulf have to click right with the current roster.

[jays_fever]

Hard to imagine us giving Donaldson a 5 or 6 year deal at 20+ million at age 33. That would be outrageous. But unless they are going out to get talent to compete now they need to trade him immediately. I would love to compete next year but litterally everything woulf have to click right with the current roster.

 

He can easily put up four 5 War seasons in a row and almost pay for the contract right there.

[Spanky99]

Who do you prefer from the two?

 

Uhmm...

 

Seems fair for Yelich, but I wouldn't do it, nor do I think our FO would.

 

Uhmm... *facepalm*

 

Spanky says Jays aren't moving JD. Just meeting with Cards for fun.

 

Did you even read the tweet, meathead? Of course teams will be asking on JD, and you always listen. *smh*

[Jonn]

He can easily put up four 5 War seasons in a row and almost pay for the contract right there.

 

Could that happen yes. I don't know you can say he will easily put up 5+ WAR through age 33-36 with already having issues with both calves. Unless you're adding a 4 or 5 win player via trade and addressing other key needs whether its through trade or free agency they need to get out now.

[Brownie19]

FWIW, Blair said tonight on Bobcat's show that:

 

1. The Jays are heavily in on CC. He expects CC to sign with the Yanks or the Jays. CC and Shapiro are close and the Jays believe they need someone to mentor Stroman to tone down the douche.

 

2. He gets the impression the Jays are open to trading Bo Bichette and that some in the organization question how his power will translate. He said the Jays would have to give up Bo + for Yelich.

 

3. He gets the impression the Jays aren't shopping JD. He'll be a Blue Jay this year - only flipped at the deadline if we aren't in the race.

 

I hate Jeff Blair, but there you go. #1 + #3 seems realistic, #2, not so much.

[Captain Adama]

I'm leaning this way unless someone backs the truck up for him. The vibe I'm getting is that isn't happening though.

 

Exactly this reason. The market for hitters with limited control just aren't going for enough value to balance out pissing off the fanbase and probably won't be making the team much better in the long run.

Edited December 14, 2017 by Captain Adama

[Daniel Labude]

Anyone in the Rule 5 tomorrow that you guys are interested in?

 

Burdi is in it right

[saskjayfan]

FWIW, Blair said tonight on Bobcat's show that:

 

1. The Jays are heavily in on CC. He expects CC to sign with the Yanks or the Jays. CC and Shapiro are close and the Jays believe they need someone to mentor Stroman to tone down the douche.

 

2. He gets the impression the Jays are open to trading Bo Bichette and that some in the organization question how his power will translate. He said the Jays would have to give up Bo + for Yelich.

 

I hate Jeff Blair, but there you go. #1 seems realistic, #2, not so much.

 

You wouldn't even be tempted to trade Bo for a proven guy like Yelich? Yelich has 5 years of control left. You're only losing 1 year of control for a proven guy. Bo has played very well, but he hasn't even hit AA yet and his numbers did drop when he hit Dunedin, although he only had 182 plate appearances. I guess it would depend on what else I would have to give up, but I think I'd trade Bo for Yelich.

[Pendleton]

Irrelevant stat of the day - Of all Rule V eligible prospects, no one ranks higher than Pentecost on his own team's MLB.com top 30 (#8).

 

Here's the full list: https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.mlb.com/263198194-2017-mlb-rule-5-draft-preview.amp.html

[Abomination]

Irrelevant stat of the day - Of all Rule V eligible prospects, no one ranks higher than Pentecost on his own team's MLB.com top 30 (#8).

 

Here's the full list: https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.mlb.com/263198194-2017-mlb-rule-5-draft-preview.amp.html

 

Kohl Stewart could be an interesting selection for the pen.

[Spanky99]

Anyone in the Rule 5 tomorrow that you guys are interested in?

 

Demeritte and Burdi.

[Spanky99]

Burdi is in it right

 

Yes, I'd love to get him. Put him on the 60 day DL in March.

[burlingtonbandit]

Could that happen yes. I don't know you can say he will easily put up 5+ WAR through age 33-36 with already having issues with both calves. Unless you're adding a 4 or 5 win player via trade and addressing other key needs whether its through trade or free agency they need to get out now.

 

Because he's a truly elite player. Everyone would sign him for 5/125 but he's going to get more than that.

[jays4life19]

Kohl Stewart could be an interesting selection for the pen.

 

Kohl Stewart, RHP, Twins

Stewart's stuff is too often described as vanilla, but he did get back up to 94-96 mph this year at times. Unfortunately for him, his delivery is too inconsistent. His below-average control has not allowed him to get into situations to succeed, so a team taking him would be betting on a young athlete, with the hope they could develop him down the road.

 

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would probably be a pass for me.