Offseason Roster Thread 2017-18

[Captain Adama]

I think fans would be a lot more accepting of a rebuild after they saw it work for the Leafs. Even if we suck, as long as we have some prospects and it's a nice day out, I'm sure the attendance drop won't be that drastic.

 

It wont cause leafs fans will go to games regardless and they'll eat whatever s*** up if the rebuild wasn't paying off so quickly. It won't work for the Jays.

[Krylian]

It wont cause leafs fans will go to games regardless and they'll eat whatever s*** up if the rebuild wasn't paying off so quickly. It won't work for the Jays.

 

Then Blue Jays fans are morons... Because Band-Aids don't work. Build a very talented, young, strong core... Then augment that with veteran talent when the time is right. The moment a GM starts listening to the fans is the moment he should be fired.

[Mavcarter]

If only someone could convince rogers that the long term gain outweighs the short term gain. A young core that could be good for 5 years straight + stabilize your ratings + attendance + increase the franchise value > having to sell false hope every year with a good chance of being bad/mediocre anyway. Attendance will dip by may if you suck regardless (with or without donaldson)

[KevinGregg]

If only someone could convince rogers that the long term gain outweighs the short term gain. A young core that could be good for 5 years straight + stabilize your ratings + attendance + increase the franchise value > having to sell false hope every year with a good chance of being bad/mediocre anyway. Attendance will dip by may if you suck regardless (with or without donaldson)

 

If Rogers is thinking of selling the team, it stands to reason they probably don't have any interest in taking a huge hit for 2 or 3 years so the team can be good again later. They want the best possible results now to keep the value of the team up. I figure we don't see any sort of rebuilding until Rogers either sells the team or commits to keeping it for another 5-10 years

[Brownie19]

Reyes, Gyokro, and Grichuk would make a ton of sense for both teams.

 

You can even pitch to the fanbase that you're not giving up on the season with that trade as all 3 pieces would help the MLB club.

 

Would we be better off with Stephen Piscotty than Grichuk? Grichuk's proven over the past 900 PA's that he's a below average hitter with massive K's and no walks. He never really even hit in the minors. I mean he runs better than Piscotty, and has better D, but Piscotty until last year, it looked like Piscotty can actually hit (wasn't he hurt a bit last year?). Piscotty is also locked up to 2022 at a reasonable price.

 

Am I missing something? (I'm probably missing something). I have negative interest in Grichuk. I'd rather have a lottery ticket.

[Mavcarter]

If Rogers is thinking of selling the team, it stands to reason they probably don't have any interest in taking a huge hit for 2 or 3 years so the team can be good again later. They want the best possible results now to keep the value of the team up. I figure we don't see any sort of rebuilding until Rogers either sells the team or commits to keeping it for another 5-10 years

 

Wouldn't you have to move quickly on a sale if you want to sell high though? Like before the season starts(Something that seems highly unrealistic)? If the jays hypothetically start off bad in april and attendance/ratings dip by may/june the value of the franchise decreases regardless. IMO rogers would be able to maximize value with with the stadium renovations + spring training renovations + a good young team

[Bobthe4th]

If Rogers is thinking of selling the team, it stands to reason they probably don't have any interest in taking a huge hit for 2 or 3 years so the team can be good again later. They want the best possible results now to keep the value of the team up. I figure we don't see any sort of rebuilding until Rogers either sells the team or commits to keeping it for another 5-10 years

 

Full rebuild, low attendances, Rogers selling = hello to the Montreal Blue Jays.

 

I'm joking, but a full rebuild is neither risk free nor a guarantee of future success. I still think too many people on here are too pessimistic re the short to mid term. If we get to the trade deadline and we're no better than the 2017 season, then that's when a real decision needs to be made IMO.

[BTS]

Full rebuild, low attendances, Rogers selling = hello to the Montreal Blue Jays.

 

I'm joking, but a full rebuild is neither risk free nor a guarantee of future success. I still think too many people on here are too pessimistic re the short to mid term. If we get to the trade deadline and we're no better than the 2017 season, then that's when a real decision needs to be made IMO.

 

There's a decent chance the team has punted almost all of JD's trade value by the deadline. Teams haven't paid big for rental bats at the deadline in recent years.

[Bobthe4th]

There's a decent chance the team has punted almost all of JD's trade value by the deadline. Teams haven't paid big for rental bats at the deadline in recent years.

 

I personally would trade JD now if we aren't signing him to an extension, but I don't believe trading him necessarily has to indicate a full rebuild. If we got a passable 3B back plus at least one MLB ready prospect, it would give us time to see if there is grounds for optimism with the rest of the team and prospects.

[Mavcarter]

Maybe a full scorch rebuild isn't necessary but trading donaldson if you think there's a good chance you won't keep him is absolutely necessary while he's healthy and his value is high (and there's a market right now, who knows what the market will look like at the deadline)

[glory]

Would we be better off with Stephen Piscotty than Grichuk? Grichuk's proven over the past 900 PA's that he's a below average hitter with massive K's and no walks. He never really even hit in the minors. I mean he runs better than Piscotty, and has better D, but Piscotty until last year, it looked like Piscotty can actually hit (wasn't he hurt a bit last year?). Piscotty is also locked up to 2022 at a reasonable price.

 

Am I missing something? (I'm probably missing something). I have negative interest in Grichuk. I'd rather have a lottery ticket.

 

Batted ball profile. Grichuk = tons of hard contact, lots of fly balls and line drives. If they work on him with his plate discipline then there’s some upside there. I think he’d be a solid pickup, if not in a deal for JD, then in general.

[Brownie19]

Batted ball profile. Grichuk = tons of hard contact, lots of fly balls and line drives. If they work on him with his plate discipline then there’s some upside there. I think he’d be a solid pickup, if not in a deal for JD, then in general.

 

I knew one of them had a lot of hard contact. I don't think you're fixing that K/BB ratio man. He's like Javy Baez with the stick.

[Brownie19]

I don't want either guy but if I had to pick I would go with Grichuk as he has louder tools and can play CF. Way more power, speed, defence than Piscotty. If he learns even a tiny bit of discpline, he's probably really useful.

 

Piscotty's last 1000 PA are under a .800 OPS. He's just blah. Low ceiling.

 

Meh to both then. I guess Reyes is the key to the deal, but guys like Gyroko and Grichuk are just so meh. Such low upside guys.

[GreekFatAss]

Donaldson for Gyrko + Piscotty + Weaver. Any takers?

[Daniel Labude]

Donaldson for Gyrko + Piscotty + Weaver. Any takers?

 

Add Reyes instead of Weaver

[glory]

It would be Reyes or bust for me. At least he has front of the rotation upside, and the Jays need that sort of talent in the AL East, especially in their cheap years. Gyokro and anyone else would just be placeholders so the big league team doesn't have to regress too badly when moving JD. Even if it's just Reyes and Gyorko, the Jays save about $13m. Gives them dough to go after a 2B/OF upgrade and another starter, while adding a 2-war player to replace JD. I'm not a fan of signing Cain, but if Rogers insists on trying to give fans hope instead of rebuilding, then make that 2-for-1 trade and sign Cain. Gyorko and Cain is probably 5 wins right there, plus whatever Reyes gives you (assuming he's ready after tommy john). The key is not to lose JD for nothing, certainly not when the ceiling is the 2nd wild card.

 

Unfortunately I don't think we have a choice.

[Ehjays]

The Blue Jays are engaging with multiple starters and relievers, GM Ross Atkins told Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet and other reporters Monday. They “will most likely add an infielder,” too, and are looking at outfielders, Atkins said

 

Other teams have asked about wide range of #BlueJays. "We have a lot of good players," Atkins said. "There aren't many players that don't get talked about, there really aren't"

[Angrioter]

The Blue Jays are engaging with multiple starters and relievers, GM Ross Atkins told Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet and other reporters Monday. They “will most likely add an infielder,” too, and are looking at outfielders, Atkins said

 

Wade Miley, Matt Albers, Seth Smith, and Danny Espinosa

[GreekFatAss]

Add Reyes instead of Weaver

 

I dont know, getting a 3B, corner OF and starter who should all put up at least 2 WAR each with tons of years of control has a ton of value IMO.

[jaysblue]

Reyes, Gyokro, and Grichuk would make a ton of sense for both teams.

 

You can even pitch to the fanbase that you're not giving up on the season with that trade as all 3 pieces would help the MLB club.

 

Why would St. Louis do that?

[BlueJayWay]

Stop me if you've heard this one before, but it seems the Jays are interested in Jay Bruce

 

[Brownie19]

Why would St. Louis do that?

 

Because Donaldson is good at beisbol. Like really good.

[jaysblue]

Because Donaldson is good at beisbol. Like really good.

 

Yeah but he has only 1 year left on his contract. Reyes or Weaver are young controllable arms with some nice upside, Gyorko is coming off a 2.5 WAR season, can play multiple positions & is under club control still until 2020 on a decent contract. Grichuk and Piscotty are meh though still can be decent OF options considering the Jays OF is pretty bad right now lol.

 

I think St. Louis is likely the best fit in terms of a team that could put together a package for JD. Though if this was reversed, I'm sure many people would be saying on here that JD isn't worth that type of package unless he came with an extension.

 

Look at when the Jays traded Halladay back in 2009 to the Phillies. He was the best pitcher in baseball at the time available on the trade market. Phillies even got an extension, and all the Jays got were Drabek, Taylor flipped for Wallace flipped for Gose, and d'Arnaud.

[jaysblue]

Stop me if you've heard this one before, but it seems the Jays are interested in Jay Bruce

 

 

Bruce likely could hit 40 HR's playing half of his games at the RC and 18 games each in some of those hitting friendly AL East ballparks.

[Brownie19]

Yeah but he has only 1 year left on his contract. Reyes or Weaver are young controllable arms with some nice upside, Gyorko is coming off a 2.5 WAR season, can play multiple positions & is under club control still until 2020 on a decent contract. Grichuk and Piscotty are meh though still can be decent OF options considering the Jays OF is pretty bad right now lol.

 

I think St. Louis is likely the best fit in terms of a team that could put together a package for JD. Though if this was reversed, I'm sure many people would be saying on here that JD isn't worth that type of package unless he came with an extension.

 

Look at when the Jays traded Halladay back in 2009 to the Phillies. He was the best pitcher in baseball at the time available on the trade market. Phillies even got an extension, and all the Jays got were Drabek, Taylor flipped for Wallace flipped for Gose, and d'Arnaud.

 

You mean the 25th, 29th (Wallace was the 27th) & 81st prospects in baseball? (per BA 2010 rankings)

Edited December 12, 2017 by Brownie19

[Jonn]

Bruce likely could hit 40 HR's playing half of his games at the RC and 18 games each in some of those hitting friendly AL East ballparks.

 

But outside of power hes useless. Hopefully someone else signs him.

[Ray]

Surprised there haven't been many rumours about Lorenzo Cain so far.

[jaysguy44]

The cardinals are not trading Reyes in a deal for Donaldson lol

[Spanky99]

Bruce likely could hit 40 HR's playing half of his games at the RC and 18 games each in some of those hitting friendly AL East ballparks.

 

Yeah, we heard that last year about Kendry's too!

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah, we heard that last year about Kendry's too!

 

Problem with Morales is he hits it hard but into the ground half the time. And with his speed that's useless.

 

If he could turn 10% more of his batted balls into fly balls he's likely a 120-130wRC+ hitter.