Offseason Roster Thread 2017-18

[Jonn]

Harrison can also play some outfield for the Jays. Would be a nice addition depending on what they would have to give up for him.

 

We know Tulo, Travis, and Pearce will all miss significant time in 2018.

[glory]

Doesn't Diaz have an option left? They could acquire Harrison and put Diaz in AAA as depth. Harrison could also be insurance in case they trade JD. He can cover 3B and 2B, and has one guaranteed year with two option years. The more IF options they have, the more creative they can be.

 

The whole concept of spending big on backups because the starters never stay healthy is insane, so hopefully this is the last season of the Travis/Tulo set up.

[Terminator]

Having them would be great...not at the price it will take to get Harrison though. Your paying the price for a starting infielder to play him as a backup (at least initially), which is not what we need to be doing if we want to compete at all next season

 

Harrison would instantly become our best middle infielder, probably by a long shot. Would improve the team WAR drastically. He can also play OF and we need help there too. I don't think you are properly evaluating the dumpster fire that is our MI. Might be one of the worst in baseball right now. Tulo and Travis might be negative WAR players at this point and we currently have them penciled in as starters with some iffy depth behind them. I've been wanting Nunez but I think I like Harrison and his defense a lot more.

[glory]

Travis to the Pirates for Harrison and a prospect(s)? Similar to the Liriano deal where the Jays are taking the big contract, giving the Pirates a cheaper replacement, and getting compensated with a prospect attached. Harrison is actually useful, so the Pirates may not be as open to trading him for s*** like they were with Liriano, but just throwing that out there. Harrison would have to start at 2B if he's acquired as he's probably better at this stage than Travis is (due to health).

[saskjayfan]

Harrison can also play some outfield for the Jays. Would be a nice addition depending on what they would have to give up for him.

 

We know Tulo, Travis, and Pearce will all miss significant time in 2018.

 

If Tulo and Travis don't play 125 games plus each and Tulo doesn't have a bounce back year at the plate the Jays aren't making the playoffs anyways. You may as well save the money and the prospects and avoid Harrison. The Jays need to sign a starter and get a bullpen arm or two. I could see trading for Ozuna if the Marlins are desperate to shed payroll and the ask was reasonable, but there will be lots of teams in on Ozuna so the price likely won't be reasonable.

[jays4life19]

Harrison would instantly become our best middle infielder, probably by a long shot. Would improve the team WAR drastically. He can also play OF and we need help there too. I don't think you are properly evaluating the dumpster fire that is our MI. Might be one of the worst in baseball right now. Tulo and Travis might be negative WAR players at this point and we currently have them penciled in as starters with some iffy depth behind them. I've been wanting Nunez but I think I like Harrison and his defense a lot more.

 

Both Tulo and Devon project to be more valuable in less PA's.

 

If Toronto has any shot at the playoffs they need a miracle of health. If Tulo/Travis are dealing with injuries most of the year and we're rolling out Diaz/Harrison this team is not that talented at the other spots to compete so at that point it would just be about being less bad. Keep the prospect(s) and invest the 10 million somewhere else.

[Daniel Labude]

Harrison would instantly become our best middle infielder, probably by a long shot. Would improve the team WAR drastically. He can also play OF and we need help there too. I don't think you are properly evaluating the dumpster fire that is our MI. Might be one of the worst in baseball right now. Tulo and Travis might be negative WAR players at this point and we currently have them penciled in as starters with some iffy depth behind them. I've been wanting Nunez but I think I like Harrison and his defense a lot more.

 

Travis is not a negative WAR player. He is better than Harrison easily if healthy. Not his fault that 2 times in his career his injuries have not been properly handled by the medical staff

[Captain Adama]

Travis is not a negative WAR player. He is better than Harrison easily if healthy. Not his fault that 2 times in his career his injuries have not been properly handled by the medical staff

 

Travis staying healthy is a huge if.

 

Which is why having Harrison is a big deal

[glory]

Travis has been injured every year even dating back to his days in the minors with Detroit. Expecting him to stay healthy is naive, and that’s putting it nicely. He’s a good player who can’t stay healthy. Not his fault, some times that happens, but the Jays can’t possibly expect him to play significant games next year or any year.

[Daniel Labude]

Travis staying healthy is a huge if.

 

Which is why having Harrison is a big deal

 

Depending the the price though

[jaysblue]

Travis is not a negative WAR player. He is better than Harrison easily if healthy. Not his fault that 2 times in his career his injuries have not been properly handled by the medical staff

 

Yeah but the whole point of having Harrison & Diaz is because Travis can't stay healthy lol. Same with Tulo.

 

At least with Harrison, you can move around all over, even in left field if need be. Last time I checked, the Jays outfield looks like Pillar + Pearce/Carrera + Teoscar right now.

[GreekFatAss]

What if we could nab McCutchen in a deal with Harrison?

[Abomination]

What if we could nab McCutchen in a deal with Harrison?

 

I doubt we could without giving up one of Guerrero or Bichette.

[GreekFatAss]

I doubt we could without giving up one of Guerrero or Bichette.

 

What about Alford ++

 

Just to spitball, see if we could sell them on the idea of Alford + Travis + maybe an arm like Borucki for them. I know Travis is injury prone as s*** but you are offering to replace an OF and Infielder for younger, cheaper versions who are major league ready.

[Spanky99]

Blue Jays Interested In Josh Harrison

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/blue-jays-interested-in-josh-harrison.html

 

J-Hey and Cutch, c'mon Shatkins!

[KingKat]

With his versatility, Harrison is an easy guy to fit into this lineup and he fits the m.o. of plugging holes without making long commitments. I wish he was lefthanded but few guys who play a decent third are so that's not surprising and hardly a deal breaker. The prospect capital required likely isn't too impactful so I'm surprised there are complaints about this.

[glory]

With his versatility, Harrison is an easy guy to fit into this lineup and he fits the m.o. of plugging holes without making long commitments. I wish he was lefthanded but few guys who play a decent third are so that's not surprising and hardly a deal breaker. The prospect capital required likely isn't too impactful so I'm surprised there are complaints about this.

 

Agreed. Harrison has always made sense for this team, and if they can get him for very little due to his price tag, then go for it. Yes, $10m is a lot for a utility infielder, but chances are he will get 500-600 plate appearances due to how injury prone the middle infield is, and likely if/when JD has to miss a little time as well (he is getting older as well). If you can get a ~2 WAR out of him and not have to give up much, then you can do a lot worse. Plus he has two team options for '19 and '20, so if you want a stop gap 3B to bridge to Vladdy, then he's your guy.

 

I could see a scenario where they add Harrison, and move Pearce in a separate deal (if he's not starting at Dh or 1b then he's kind of pointless to have around). I'd prefer they move Morales and start Pearce at DH, but no team in their right mind will trade for Kendrys.

[Jonn]

Agreed. Harrison has always made sense for this team, and if they can get him for very little due to his price tag, then go for it. Yes, $10m is a lot for a utility infielder, but chances are he will get 500-600 plate appearances due to how injury prone the middle infield is, and likely if/when JD has to miss a little time as well (he is getting older as well). If you can get a ~2 WAR out of him and not have to give up much, then you can do a lot worse. Plus he has two team options for '19 and '20, so if you want a stop gap 3B to bridge to Vladdy, then he's your guy.

 

I could see a scenario where they add Harrison, and move Pearce in a separate deal (if he's not starting at Dh or 1b then he's kind of pointless to have around). I'd prefer they move Morales and start Pearce at DH, but no team in their right mind will trade for Kendrys.

 

When the Royals lose there entire team this off-season. They may be a good place to dump Morales. They loved him in KC.

[glory]

 

Bring him home.

[BTS]

I’m increasingly of the opinion that JD should either be traded or extended this offseason. This team isn’t in the same tier as Houston, Cleveland, New York, or probably Boston when the dust settles. Getting some pieces that align with Vlad and Bo’s arrival makes the most sense.

[Sammy225]

I’m increasingly of the opinion that JD should either be traded or extended this offseason. This team isn’t in the same tier as Houston, Cleveland, New York, or probably Boston when the dust settles. Getting some pieces that align with Vlad and Bo’s arrival makes the most sense.

 

As Days go on it is starting to make more and more sense.

[jays4life19]

Best deal we'll make for Donaldson is right now as well. Mozeliak was ready to blow his brains out for Stanton. I'd bet the Giants would blow their brains out for Donaldson too.

 

I'm not sure the Giants have the pieces we would want though.

 

Heliot Ramos is their only interesting prospect.

[glory]

Best deal we'll make for Donaldson is right now as well. Mozeliak was ready to blow his brains out for Stanton. I'd bet the Giants would blow their brains out for Donaldson too.

 

The Cardinals are a great fit. They have pitching prospects, excess outfielders, and infield depth.

[jays4life19]

The Cardinals are a great fit. They have pitching prospects, excess outfielders, and infield depth.

 

Reyes, Gyokro, and Grichuk would make a ton of sense for both teams.

 

You can even pitch to the fanbase that you're not giving up on the season with that trade as all 3 pieces would help the MLB club.

[Ray]

I know we have infield depth now with Ngoepe and Diaz, but I'd still love to trade for Jonathan Villar. 1 season removed from a .826 OPS season. Switch hitter. At the very least if he won't hit, he can still steal bases.

[KingKat]

 

You can even pitch to the fanbase that you're not giving up on the season with that trade as all 3 pieces would help the MLB club.

 

You could but they're not going to buy it so it really shouldn't factor in the decision. You just have to accept that you're going to take a huge p.r. hit no matter what you get back. This is where Rogers ownership can be frustrating. You have to convince them to take away from the quality of the television product and probably take a ratings hit to make the team better down the road.

[KingKat]

I know we have infield depth now with Ngoepe and Diaz, but I'd still love to trade for Jonathan Villar. 1 season removed from a .826 OPS season. Switch hitter. At the very least if he won't hit, he can still steal bases.

 

Since Ngoepe has options, there's still room for another infielder on the 25 and really there SHOULD be another infielder on the 25. I'm surprised when people talk like that need has been fully addressed.

[Cbert]

Reyes, Gyokro, and Grichuk would make a ton of sense for both teams.

 

You can even pitch to the fanbase that you're not giving up on the season with that trade as all 3 pieces would help the MLB club.

 

I mentioned discussing Osuna, in addition to Donaldson, in another thread in trade talks with the Cards. I don’t even think offering him up is necessarily throwing in the towel on the season. If we signed a guy like Cain for the OF and picked up Gyorko, our production wouldn’t be any worse than what we got from Donaldson and our outfield garbage last year. Plus we’d have Reyes by June for the rotation and some legit depth in AAA if we send Osuna in a deal, as well.

 

I’d hate losing one or both of those guys, but the Cards have lots of interesting players in the upper minors that could help us now and in the long term.

[glory]

Reyes, Gyokro, and Grichuk would make a ton of sense for both teams.

 

You can even pitch to the fanbase that you're not giving up on the season with that trade as all 3 pieces would help the MLB club.

 

Yep that would be the type of deal you can sell to the fans short and long term.

[Spanky99]

I’m increasingly of the opinion that JD should either be traded or extended this offseason. This team isn’t in the same tier as Houston, Cleveland, New York, or probably Boston when the dust settles. Getting some pieces that align with Vlad and Bo’s arrival makes the most sense.

 

Yeah, one or the other, what do you think the Dodgers would want for McCarthy, read they were interested in moving him, that was before Ohtani decided on the Angels though?