Offseason Roster Thread 2017-18

[saskjayfan]

Any thoughts on Lance Lynn?

 

I think Lance Lynn would be a fit too. I think the Jays need a starter. That first full year after Tommy John can be a tough one. I think Lynn and Cobb can both improve on their years last year. I like Cobb because he's done it in the East. I would prefer Cobb but if we can't get him, I would consider Lynn.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

I think Lance Lynn would be a fit too. I think the Jays need a starter. That first full year after Tommy John can be a tough one. I think Lynn and Cobb can both improve on their years last year. I like Cobb because he's done it in the East. I would prefer Cobb but if we can't get him, I would consider Lynn.

 

If the Jays sign Cobb for the rotation, and Bruce for RF (both possibilities) the farm stays intact and you have a team that has a chance to make some noise with a few more tweaks (versatile middle infielder, maybe a reliever, maybe a LF). I'd be okay with that. Not flashy, but flashy might have to wait a couple of years.

[Abomination]

The start of the signing period sure has been quiet around the league.

 

Oops, got the dates wrong. 2 days to go.

[Dam8610]

Hello there, I'm a White Sox fan that was wondering what Blue Jays fans would think of an Avi Garcia for Bo Bichette trade. I know from my team's perspective, getting a young slugging MIF would make a lot of sense, and Garcia is a younger, cheaper alternative to Martinez, though more risky. What are your thoughts?

[Abomination]

Hello there, I'm a White Sox fan that was wondering what Blue Jays fans would think of an Avi Garcia for Bo Bichette trade. I know from my team's perspective, getting a young slugging MIF would make a lot of sense, and Garcia is a younger, cheaper alternative to Martinez, though more risky. What are your thoughts?

 

Avisail had a nice year, but he only has two years of arbitration remaining, is about to get expensive, and is highly likely to regress heavily on the numbers he produced this year. I suspect no one here would be willing to even entertain something like that.

[Bobthe4th]

Hello there, I'm a White Sox fan that was wondering what Blue Jays fans would think of an Avi Garcia for Bo Bichette trade. I know from my team's perspective, getting a young slugging MIF would make a lot of sense, and Garcia is a younger, cheaper alternative to Martinez, though more risky. What are your thoughts?

 

Welcome to the board.

 

Avisail Garcia has only 2 years of control. Even if 2017 was guaranteed to be his minimum skill level (prior to his breakout year he had negative career WAR in over 400 games), he doesn't fit in with the Jays timeline.

 

The front office appear to want to remain competitive for a couple of years without mortgaging the future.

 

Bo Bichette (minor league offensive player of the year) had a better season than Vlad Guerrero Jr (who is a top 5 prospect in all of baseball), and is still a teenager. His value is much higher to the Jays than Garcia.

[Jimcanuck]

Hello there, I'm a White Sox fan that was wondering what Blue Jays fans would think of an Avi Garcia for Bo Bichette trade. I know from my team's perspective, getting a young slugging MIF would make a lot of sense, and Garcia is a younger, cheaper alternative to Martinez, though more risky. What are your thoughts?

 

You want Bichette, you are looking at sending over Eloy. Bichette minor league player of the year, brah.

[Dam8610]

You want Bichette, you are looking at sending over Eloy. Bichette minor league player of the year, brah.

 

That would be entirely counterintuitive for the White Sox. I thought the Blue Jays were on more of a compete timeline than the White Sox, hence the idea. The White Sox would probably send Eloy for Bichette...and Vlad Jr.

[Spanky99]

That would be entirely counterintuitive for the White Sox. I thought the Blue Jays were on more of a compete timeline than the White Sox, hence the idea. The White Sox would probably send Eloy for Bichette...and Vlad Jr.

 

lulz

[BTS]

Hello there, I'm a White Sox fan that was wondering what Blue Jays fans would think of an Avi Garcia for Bo Bichette trade. I know from my team's perspective, getting a young slugging MIF would make a lot of sense, and Garcia is a younger, cheaper alternative to Martinez, though more risky. What are your thoughts?

 

Very, very unlikely that this FO trades someone like Bichette for a guy with two years of control remaining. Their MO the last two offseasons has been to make short-term additions without borrowing anything from the future. That will almost certainly be the approach again this offseason.

[Daniel Labude]

That would be entirely counterintuitive for the White Sox. I thought the Blue Jays were on more of a compete timeline than the White Sox, hence the idea. The White Sox would probably send Eloy for Bichette...and Vlad Jr.

 

Try your top 10 prospects and Moncada...then add 20 more if you really want both lol

[Spanky99]

Try your top 10 prospects and Moncada...then add 20 more if you really want both lol

 

Get out of here... you sound worst then him. Do you understand how good their farm is?

[Daniel Labude]

Get out of here... you sound worst then him. Do you understand how good their farm is?

 

Do you understand that I was making an offer of insanity to match the insanity of trading two better prospects for 1 prospect...relax

 

It's the equivalent of saying. The Jays will trade Bichette for Eloy and Moncada...its stupid BS

[Spanky99]

Do you understand that I was making an offer of insanity to match the insanity of trading two better prospects for 1 prospect...relax

 

It's the equivalent of saying. The Jays will trade Bichette for Eloy and Moncada...its stupid BS

 

Gotcha!

[Dick_Pole]

Be fair to this guy. He's a White Sox fan and probably doesn't follow the Jays so closely. If he's thinking about the Dickey trade, he must think his proposal is reasonable for this organization.

[THANOS]

That would be entirely counterintuitive for the White Sox. I thought the Blue Jays were on more of a compete timeline than the White Sox, hence the idea. The White Sox would probably send Eloy for Bichette...and Vlad Jr.

 

That wouldn't be a FMV trade. Hell, Vlad and Bo could end up being the #1 and a top 5 prospect in baseball by mid-2018, if not sooner, depending on their starts in 2018.

 

You would definitely have to throw in a few more of your top 10 to make that worthwhile for the conservative front office in Toronto. At that point it wouldn't make a lot of sense for both of our teams.

[Dam8610]

That wouldn't be a FMV trade. Hell, Vlad and Bo could end up being the #1 and a top 5 prospect in baseball by mid-2018, if not sooner, depending on their starts in 2018.

 

You would definitely have to throw in a few more of your top 10 to make that worthwhile for the conservative front office in Toronto. At that point it wouldn't make a lot of sense for both of our teams.

 

Thank you for the reasonable response. I honestly had no idea how the Blue Jays FO was valuing prospects against winning now, and the teams who lose out on the J.D. Martinez sweepstakes will likely be the White Sox best market for Garcia.

 

Do you understand that I was making an offer of insanity to match the insanity of trading two better prospects for 1 prospect...relax

 

It's the equivalent of saying. The Jays will trade Bichette for Eloy and Moncada...its stupid BS

 

I was just suggesting something as ridiculous as what the person I was replying to suggested. Eloy Jimenez is likely the most coveted position player in the White Sox organization right now as well as a likely Top 3 prospect in all of baseball. The White Sox are rebuilding. Shipping away prospects like Eloy Jimenez for a more risky, less proven asset is not what they're going to do.

[Jimcanuck]

Eloy Jimenez is likely the most coveted position player in the White Sox organization right now as well as a likely Top 3 prospect in all of baseball. The White Sox are rebuilding. Shipping away prospects like Eloy Jimenez for a more risky, less proven asset is not what they're going to do.

 

Bichette and Eloy are not far apart in prospect value. I grant you Eloy has a bit more value. Bichette for Eloy is far more fair than Bichette for Garcia.

 

Jays FO want to add, not subtract, high value assets to the farm.

[Olerud363]

That would be entirely counterintuitive for the White Sox. I thought the Blue Jays were on more of a compete timeline than the White Sox, hence the idea. The White Sox would probably send Eloy for Bichette...and Vlad Jr.

 

Your overvaluing your own players. A one for one Eloy for Bichette, or Eloy for Guerrero could happen if each organization had different needs or for some reason valued one player more than the other.

 

Are you serious that you think the Jays would trade Bichette and Guerrero for Eloy?? If so, no offense, but what the hell is wrong with you?? Eloy, Vlad, and Bichette* are roughly equal. You don't trade 2 for 1 of equal things.

 

(*Bichette right now is the lowest ranked, and most think he'll be top 20... but those rankings aren't necessarily god's truth, or how organizations view the players, Bichette (my understanding) has been dinged a bit for a hitch in his swing, the scouts didn't like. So far it hasn't been a problem).

[Abomination]

Bichette and Eloy are not far apart in prospect value. I grant you Eloy has a bit more value. Bichette for Eloy is far more fair than Bichette for Garcia.

 

Jays FO want to add, not subtract, high value assets to the farm.

 

I feel like we may be overvaluing Bichette a little (although hopefully he lives up to it). I kinda see him ending up similar to a healthy Devon Travis, with a little higher home run rate. That's not a bad thing mind you, it's probably a 3 to 4 WAR / year player.

 

No way would I trade him for Garcia though. Bichette fits our needs absolutely perfectly.

[THANOS]

I feel like we may be overvaluing Bichette a little (although hopefully he lives up to it). I kinda see him ending up similar to a healthy Devon Travis, with a little higher home run rate. That's not a bad thing mind you, it's probably a 3 to 4 WAR / year player.

 

No way would I trade him for Garcia though. Bichette fits our needs absolutely perfectly.

 

That's fair, but, imo, healthy Devon Travis with more pop is Bo Bichette's floor. You can't really diminish what Bo did this past season at that age. He had a much higher wRC+ than Mike Trout at the same age in the both A and A+, and put up a historic wRC+ in A ball.

 

I see his floor as healthy Devon Travis and ceiling as pre-2016 Jose Altuve, only because you can't really project a prospect to put up 7+ WAR annually, it just happens sometimes.

[glory]

Cobb getting the qualifying offer from the Rays. No longer lose a first for signing a qualified FA but still lose a pick (3rd round, I think).

[Abomination]

Cobb getting the qualifying offer from the Rays. No longer lose a first for signing a qualified FA but still lose a pick (3rd round, I think).

 

I think it's a second for us, but not positive. It sounds like he could be a hot commodity, and has some concerns as it is. I wonder if we're better looking elsewhere?

[Ray]

I thought the draft pick loss only happened if the value of the contract was over a certain amount? $50 or something million?

[Bobthe4th]

I thought the draft pick loss only happened if the value of the contract was over a certain amount? $50 or something million?

 

We would lose our 2nd pick (not 2nd round, but 2nd pick - which for us would fall in the 2nd round anyway) in the draft as well as $500,000 from the international bonus pool. That's the penalty for teams haven't received revenue sharing or were in the luxury tax.

 

If he rejects then the Rays get a pick after the 1st round if the contact he ends up signing is over $50m, or a pick after the 2nd round if not.

[Boxcar]

Thank you for the reasonable response. I honestly had no idea how the Blue Jays FO was valuing prospects against winning now, and the teams who lose out on the J.D. Martinez sweepstakes will likely be the White Sox best market for Garcia.

 

 

 

I was just suggesting something as ridiculous as what the person I was replying to suggested. Eloy Jimenez is likely the most coveted position player in the White Sox organization right now as well as a likely Top 3 prospect in all of baseball. The White Sox are rebuilding. Shipping away prospects like Eloy Jimenez for a more risky, less proven asset is not what they're going to do.

 

I'm not a huge Jays prospect homer usually, but Vlad's profile looks far better than Jimenez's. Pretty rare to have an 18 year old putting up godly numbers against older competition while walking more than striking out.

[Boxcar]

That's fair, but, imo, healthy Devon Travis with more pop is Bo Bichette's floor. You can't really diminish what Bo did this past season at that age. He had a much higher wRC+ than Mike Trout at the same age in the both A and A+, and put up a historic wRC+ in A ball.

 

I see his floor as healthy Devon Travis and ceiling as pre-2016 Jose Altuve, only because you can't really project a prospect to put up 7+ WAR annually, it just happens sometimes.

 

Bo Bichette's floor is a AAAA guy who is out of baseball at 25. Healthy Devon Travis with more pop is probably a 4 win player yearly. No prospect has a floor like that.

[Brownie19]

Yikes - these active threads are really cringy.

[Pendleton]

Quick read on Jays RHP prospect Andrew Case -> http://www.tsn.ca/blue-jays-reliever-case-turning-heads-and-capitalizing-on-opportunity-1.906475

[Brownie19]

Hello there, I'm a White Sox fan that was wondering what Blue Jays fans would think of an Avi Garcia for Bo Bichette trade. I know from my team's perspective, getting a young slugging MIF would make a lot of sense, and Garcia is a younger, cheaper alternative to Martinez, though more risky. What are your thoughts?

 

I wonder how much the White Sox FO believes in Garcia. He was an absolute stud last year after being awful for the first 3-4 years of his career. This reminds me of the Jays and Justin Smoak. Do you try and sell high and cash in now? or do you believe he's made tangible adjustments to sustain this level of play. Like Smoak, Garcia's under control for a couple more seasons, so unless they White Sox really think it's a fluke, they can take the wait and see approach. If he repeats, his value could skyrocket. If he doesn't, he'll have no value.

 

To some extent, the Diamondbacks rolled the dice with Pollack and David Peralta - both of which reverted back to their "old" form (wRC+ of 100 +/-)

 

I love watching these situations to see how they turn out.