Trade Josh Donaldson?

[Bobthe4th]

The only problem with trading Donaldson now is if he's healthy. Some serious doubts that he is. But they have to trade him now unless they go on an unreal July run. Which is unlikely with the quality of opponents. That Astros series is shaping up to look like a nightmare.

 

Not really, if they aren't offered something before the deadline that they want, then he can still be traded in the offseason. Which gives time for him to prove his fitness to offset the fact the buyer misses out on him for the end of this season.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah its like Cutch last year where you'll be selling low. You would think teams would understand his body of work but no one wants to trade for a player of his skillset if he won't be healthy and its clear that the knee injury is affecting him.

[glory]

Trading JD within the division at his age and price tag shouldn't be a huge concern. He has 1.5 years of control left, his final year of arb will be expensive, and then he will want to get extended into his 30's at huge money. If the Red Sox want to do that, then let them. As long as the Jays get good value that's all that matters.

[Maahfaace]

I agree its actually an advantage to the team selling when trading in your own division. One thing for certain is I want to target position players in any trade. That's why a trade with the Cardinals doesn't excite me.

 

Any deal with the cards would have to start with Alex Reyes and harrison bader as the center pieces imo. Personally I'd want at least the following considering they get another full year of JD.

 

Alex Reyes

Harrison Bader

Delvin Perez

Sandy Alacantara

 

That would be a respectable haul for JD, but the cards dont seem like an org that leans towards dealing away prospects.

[Jonn]

Not really, if they aren't offered something before the deadline that they want, then he can still be traded in the offseason. Which gives time for him to prove his fitness to offset the fact the buyer misses out on him for the end of this season.

 

What I meant is if healthy and you get a great offer you pull the trigger. He's much more appealing in a scenario where you could have him in a playoff run and an additional year. Rather than just a one year rental. Teams that wait usually get burned.

[Bobthe4th]

What I meant is if healthy and you get a great offer you pull the trigger. He's much more appealing in a scenario where you could have him in a playoff run and an additional year. Rather than just a one year rental. Teams that wait usually get burned.

 

Yeah that's fair.

[Dick_Pole]

After seeing yesterday's game I know what's wrong with this team.

 

39-45 overall

23-18 with Donaldson out of the line-up

16-27 with Donaldson playing

 

Time to trade the bum. Pillar really steps it up a notch offensively when he knows that he can't just kick back and let JD do all the work. Goins plays better when he's guaranteed a starting spot and doesn't get all psyched out wondering if he's in the line-up or on the bench that day. Martin turns up his offense when he's playing third.

[Pendleton]

Any deal with the cards would have to start with Alex Reyes and harrison bader as the center pieces imo. Personally I'd want at least the following considering they get another full year of JD.

 

Alex Reyes

Harrison Bader

Delvin Perez

Sandy Alacantara

 

That would be a respectable haul for JD, but the cards dont seem like an org that leans towards dealing away prospects.

 

Needs more Jack Flaherty

[burlingtonbandit]

Any deal with the cards would have to start with Alex Reyes and harrison bader as the center pieces imo. Personally I'd want at least the following considering they get another full year of JD.

 

Alex Reyes

Harrison Bader

Delvin Perez

Sandy Alacantara

 

That would be a respectable haul for JD, but the cards dont seem like an org that leans towards dealing away prospects.

 

I"m not even sure why the Cards even want him at the deadline. They're chance at a playoff spot is basically the same as Toronto's.

[TholesWeirdEye]

Can I take my vote back? The Jays won 2 in a row and he should stay now.

[jays_fever]

I'm surprised I'm the only one who voted to sign him. We'll probably never have another MVP type player on this team in the next 10 years

[glory]

I'm surprised I'm the only one who voted to sign him. We'll probably never have another MVP type player on this team in the next 10 years

 

Except the Jays would be paying him for his past rather than what they expect in the future. Aka, why Tulo makes $20mm a year right now and why the Jays would dump him for a ham sandwich if any team was willing to take his salary.

[Jimcanuck]

I'm surprised I'm the only one who voted to sign him. We'll probably never have another MVP type player on this team in the next 10 years

 

He'd be a great sign if the Jays had several cost controlled regulars. The timing is wrong. Better to move him for prospects and sign a similar contributor in terms of WAR after Vladdy and Bo et al arrive.

[Brownie19]

I'm surprised I'm the only one who voted to sign him. We'll probably never have another MVP type player on this team in the next 10 years

 

Except the Jays would be paying him for his past rather than what they expect in the future. Aka, why Tulo makes $20mm a year right now and why the Jays would dump him for a ham sandwich if any team was willing to take his salary.

 

That is correct. He was an MVP. There's a very very slim chance he ever approaches that again. You'd be signing a depreciating asset....which, I mean, isn't a terrible thing - but only if you do it at the right price...and it's extremely unlikely you could sign him based on what he'll be (as someone will overpay).

[jays_fever]

Except the Jays would be paying him for his past rather than what they expect in the future. Aka, why Tulo makes $20mm a year right now and why the Jays would dump him for a ham sandwich if any team was willing to take his salary.

 

I think Tulo is a bad example as most superstars don't turn into pumpkins overnight..but I'm more speaking from a fan perspective who loves watching this guy play.

 

If they do trade him for a nice haul I won't be flooding the sportsnet comment section with fire Shatkins

[burlingtonbandit]

I'd totally be fine with the Jays trading him now then signing him when he becomes a FA. By 2019 the team should be in much better shape and they will have a lot of $ to spend.

[Jimcanuck]

I'd totally be fine with the Jays trading him now then signing him when he becomes a FA. By 2019 the team should be in much better shape and they will have a lot of $ to spend.

 

Sure, but I suspect there will be better fits not named JD. Isn't Vladdy a 3B?

[metafour]

I'm surprised I'm the only one who voted to sign him. We'll probably never have another MVP type player on this team in the next 10 years

 

Except that Donaldson is almost certainly outside his "MVP window" already, and even still, the novelty of having an "MVP caliber player" on a non-competitive team is just that: a novelty. In a completely fair-weather market, the idea that you need to keep Donaldson around during a rebuild to "appease fans" or anything of the sort is a complete joke and serves no actual discussion in a strategic setting. No, Toronto 'fans' will not fill a stadium to watch Donaldson play on a ~70-80 win team.

[Bobthe4th]

Except that Donaldson is almost certainly outside his "MVP window" already, and even still, the novelty of having an "MVP caliber player" on a non-competitive team is just that: a novelty. In a completely fair-weather market, the idea that you need to keep Donaldson around during a rebuild to "appease fans" or anything of the sort is a complete joke and serves no actual discussion in a strategic setting. No, Toronto 'fans' will not fill a stadium to watch Donaldson play on a ~70-80 win team.

 

If they resign JD we're definitely not having a rebuild.

[Boxcar]

I'm surprised I'm the only one who voted to sign him. We'll probably never have another MVP type player on this team in the next 10 years

 

Vlad and Bo have a decent chance

[burlingtonbandit]

Sure, but I suspect there will be better fits not named JD. Isn't Vladdy a 3B?

 

Perhaps who knows what will happen by then. Vlad likely moves off the position by the sound of it. Maybe they'll sign Machado?

 

That FA class is stacked beyond belief so the team definitely has a good change in getting an impact FA.

[Jonn]

Donaldson is a fake MVP anyway. Trout should have won.

[Jimcanuck]

Donaldson is a fake MVP anyway. Trout should have won.

 

It's not the Best Player award.

[Krylian]

I'm surprised I'm the only one who voted to sign him. We'll probably never have another MVP type player on this team in the next 10 years

 

What's the point of having an MVP type player if the rest of your team is ass. Gotta rebuild this mother.

[Brownie19]

It's not the Best Player award.

 

It should be. In what world is the best player not that most valuable to his team?

[Krylian]

It should be. In what world is the best player not that most valuable to his team?

 

In this one. And the sport is Baseball.

[Brownie19]

I think Tulo is a bad example as most superstars don't turn into pumpkins overnight..but I'm more speaking from a fan perspective who loves watching this guy play.

 

If they do trade him for a nice haul I won't be flooding the sportsnet comment section with fire Shatkins

 

Lets use Pujols as an example then. Former MVP, future HOF....ahhhh wait a minute....

 

Josh Hamilton. Former MVP....ahhh wait a minute

 

Prince Fielder. Former MVP candidate....ahhh s***.

[Jimcanuck]

It should be. In what world is the best player not that most valuable to his team?

 

Not much value to the team in hitting two two run bombs but lose 8-6. Rightly or wrongly, voting takes winning into account.

[burlingtonbandit]

Lets use Pujols as an example then. Former MVP, future HOF....ahhhh wait a minute....

 

Josh Hamilton. Former MVP....ahhh wait a minute

 

Prince Fielder. Former MVP candidate....ahhh s***.

 

Fielder and Hamilton were because of career ending injuries basically. Tulo isn't THAT old.

[jays_fever]

Vlad and Bo have a decent chance

 

To bust? Yea I agree