Worst front office in the majors

[specialiste]

Gibbons is not to blame for the dismal start. He's got to juggle with what Atkins signs as players.

Grilli, anyone with half a brain could see late last season he was spent. He pitches with heart and guts alone. The stuff is gone. Pearce, why give such a contract to a guy who never was a regular, who on his best season, surrounded by Machado, Davis, Jones and Nelson Cruz coudn't even reach 50 RBI'S. I won't mention Saltalamacchia and his 15 or so record K's in a row, that would be unfair...

 

Atkins can't built a bullpen, the Jays arguably have the worst in the majors. So, as much as I can't trust Gibbons, he still as to work with no 1st base, no regular left fielder and no bullpen. Even Terry Francona would have headaches with such 25 men roster.

 

Why bring Jose back? Declining numbers, injury prone...a waste of a roster spot and money.

Ask yourself, can I find a solid prospect or an establish solid every day player who came aboard on Atkins watch? I can't.

 

Some say the time to rebuilt has come, wait until July and trade Donaldson, Tulo, Happ, Jose, Martin...clean house and get high ceiling propects in return.

 

However, do you really think Shapiro and Atkins will make the right trade? Bring in the right young players. I don't. If ownership don't clean house with the front office, be ready for 10 years of misery.

[CrackerJack]

wasn't the general consensus on this board that the FO had a good offseason (one year too many for Morales aside?)

[Jimcanuck]

Personally I thought the FO did the minimum they had to do in the offseason. They weren't 'going for it'.

 

And it was the right move, this old team was on its last legs last year.

[specialiste]

Personally I thought the FO did the minimum they had to do in the offseason. They weren't 'going for it'.

 

And it was the right move, this old team was on its last legs last year.

 

If the intend was to rebuilt after this season, you don't do it with a 2 year deal with Pearce and a 3 year deal with Morales.

 

The problem is Atkins went halfway, he signed over the hill veterans (Bautista, Pearce, Howell, Salty, Smith) who won't get you any closer to the World Series and in so doing pushes back the much needed rebuilt.

 

Let me tell you this, I hope Atkins is enjoying his tenure as GM because that's the last GM job in the majors he'll ever get.

 

Another thing, yes, Atkins and Shapiro came in with a somewhat thin farm system.

However, I don't recall anyone disagreeing with the David Price and Tulo trade.

Sold-outs Rogers Center can attest to that.

So, back then, AA did the right move, hey, just getting rid of Jose Reyes was FANTASTIC!

 

It got us 2 runs at the big prize, isn't that the objective?

[Stangstag]

Nice b8

[Jimcanuck]

If the intend was to rebuilt after this season, you don't do it with a 2 year deal with Pearce and a 3 year deal with Morales.

 

The problem is Atkins went halfway, he signed over the hill veterans (Bautista, Pearce, Howell, Salty, Smith) who won't get you any closer to the World Series and in so doing pushes back the much needed rebuilt.

 

Let me tell you this, I hope Atkins is enjoying his tenure as GM because that's the last GM job in the majors he'll ever get.

 

Another thing, yes, Atkins and Shapiro came in with a somewhat thin farm system.

However, I don't recall anyone disagreeing with the David Price and Tulo trade.

Sold-outs Rogers Center can attest to that.

So, back then, AA did the right move, hey, just getting rid of Jose Reyes was FANTASTIC!

 

It got us 2 runs at the big prize, isn't that the objective?

 

Depends, my objective is to be consistently good, year in and year out, and every so often when things go right and the team stays healthy, a WS is in reach. Managing a team for short windows of contention every 10-15 years is less likely to get the prize.

 

The way to be consistently good is by having a continuing pipeline of prospects hitting the majors. Shatkins has put together a strong player development system.

 

Who cares if Pearce is signed for 2 and Morales for 3, they are just filler while the rebuild takes place.

[leaffie]

Every fan wants a team that is consistently good year in and year out. Residing in the AL east with the sox and Yankees, doesn't make that as simple as say the AL west. But the question is, not if a rebuild was coming, but when. If Shapiro has decided that this is a holding year with a vague shot at the WC, then it was simply a waste of a year. The question now is, will Shapiro be the guy that can do the rebuild. If his bullpen is any example, I would be worried.

 

If a rebuild and a supposed rush of top prospects via trade is the hope, then he should have just started it. He should have done what Cashman has done, and told the fans, we have to do this, and here is our plan for the future.

 

Those bandwagon fans that most on this board hate, will be gone, but they will come back somewhere down the road. The real worry for this Jays organization is the older long time fans that have stuck with this team for 20 years of ineptitude. If this rebuild takes ten years, they will be gone, and will not be back as they don't have time.

 

This is not as simple as filling the farm system and trading off what assets this team has.

[CrackerJack]

Every fan wants a team that is consistently good year in and year out. Residing in the AL east with the sox and Yankees, doesn't make that as simple as say the AL west. But the question is, not if a rebuild was coming, but when. If Shapiro has decided that this is a holding year with a vague shot at the WC, then it was simply a waste of a year. The question now is, will Shapiro be the guy that can do the rebuild. If his bullpen is any example, I would be worried.

 

If a rebuild and a supposed rush of top prospects via trade is the hope, then he should have just started it. He should have done what Cashman has done, and told the fans, we have to do this, and here is our plan for the future.

 

Those bandwagon fans that most on this board hate, will be gone, but they will come back somewhere down the road. The real worry for this Jays organization is the older long time fans that have stuck with this team for 20 years of ineptitude. If this rebuild takes ten years, they will be gone, and will not be back as they don't have time.

 

This is not as simple as filling the farm system and trading off what assets this team has.

 

isn't 10 years for a rebuild a tad long?

 

would Rogers even have patience with Shapiro (and extend him) if attendance dwindled and tv viewership nosedived for a number of seasons?

[Pendleton]

Couldn't even reach 50 RBI's eh, must not be a clutch hitter.

[Boxcar]

God I hate casual morons so much.

 

Question for you: would you even be writing this if the Maple Leaves had made it to the next round?

[Jimcanuck]

God I hate casual morons so much.

 

Question for you: would you even be writing this if the Maple Leaves had made it to the next round?

 

you hate everyone

[xposbrad]

Depends, my objective is to be consistently good, year in and year out, and every so often when things go right and the team stays healthy, a WS is in reach. Managing a team for short windows of contention every 10-15 years is less likely to get the prize.

 

The way to be consistently good is by having a continuing pipeline of prospects hitting the majors. Shatkins has put together a strong player development system.

 

Who cares if Pearce is signed for 2 and Morales for 3, they are just filler while the rebuild takes place.

 

The rebuild hasn't even started yet, so let's hope it does this year.

[John_Havok]

The rebuild hasn't even started yet, so let's hope it does this year.

 

I'd say the chances are pretty likely it starts this year, but the chances of good returns on Jose, Tulo.... not very good.

 

Huge return could be expected for Donaldson. Maybe good returns for Happ, Estrada, Osuna and Liriano....

 

The real test of the start of the rebuild will be if they choose to move Sanchez and/or Stroman. Young controllable pitchers that don't suck are quite valuable in trade. Stripping it down that far would be debateable given they don't have anything in the pipeline for pitching at this point that you could deem major league ready.

[Jimcanuck]

Got to test the waters of a Stro or Sanchez extension. If those guys are reluctant and hate the idea of going thru a 4-5 yr rebuild, should be moved. Either of them returns more than JD, IMO

[BTS]

Got to test the waters of a Stro or Sanchez extension. If those guys are reluctant and hate the idea of going thru a 4-5 yr rebuild, should be moved. Either of them returns more than JD, IMO

 

I strongly agree with this.

[Boxcar]

wasn't the general consensus on this board that the FO had a good offseason (one year too many for Morales aside?)

 

It was a good offseason. Two dozen bad games don't change that.

[tercet]

Shutup OP, learn about variance..

 

Front office didn't go all-in atleast like Amaro Phillies, if we are terrrible they will sell off and we will have like a 2-3 year semi rebuild/retool. I don't think were bad enough to need a 4-5 year tear down-build

[Nafro]

Lol, yes I think Front Office's that can't prevent injuries are clearly terrible. If there weren't some really s*** threads over the years, this would get my vote for worst thread ever.

[Nafro]

"IntenT" and "Re-builD

[jaysfan2014]

Stupid thread.

 

Atkins/Shapiro are doing the best they can.. but Anthopolous left the franchise drained after those trades to win in 2015 and it takes time to rebuild the farm system..

 

Some worse front offices include Detroit, Tampa (they've drafted VERY poorly in the last few years, and are headed for a major collapse when Longoria is either traded or goes into decline..), Baltimore (even if the team is winning, the franchise is going to be in trouble after this season or next, as Machado is obviously not resigning after 2018 because ownership there is cheap and/or spends money foolishly on guys like Davis and Trumbo.. Showalter can only do so much), San Diego, Miami..

[Caper]

Stupid thread.

 

Atkins/Shapiro are doing the best they can.. but Anthopolous left the franchise drained after those trades to win in 2015 and it takes time to rebuild the farm system..

 

Some worse front offices include Detroit, Tampa (they've drafted VERY poorly in the last few years, and are headed for a major collapse when Longoria is either traded or goes into decline..), Baltimore (even if the team is winning, the franchise is going to be in trouble after this season or next, as Machado is obviously not resigning after 2018 because ownership there is cheap and/or spends money foolishly on guys like Davis and Trumbo.. Showalter can only do so much), San Diego, Miami..

 

I think they are just average. The could have signed Thames with the money they spent on Bautista. They signed Justin Smoak. They did do a decent job with stating pitching. What they do this summer will be telling. But as of now, they are pretty average IMO.

[FrozenRopes]

Gibbons is not to blame for the dismal start. He's got to juggle with what Atkins signs as players.

Grilli, anyone with half a brain could see late last season he was spent. He pitches with heart and guts alone. The stuff is gone. Pearce, why give such a contract to a guy who never was a regular, who on his best season, surrounded by Machado, Davis, Jones and Nelson Cruz coudn't even reach 50 RBI'S. I won't mention Saltalamacchia and his 15 or so record K's in a row, that would be unfair...

 

Atkins can't built a bullpen, the Jays arguably have the worst in the majors. So, as much as I can't trust Gibbons, he still as to work with no 1st base, no regular left fielder and no bullpen. Even Terry Francona would have headaches with such 25 men roster.

 

Why bring Jose back? Declining numbers, injury prone...a waste of a roster spot and money.

Ask yourself, can I find a solid prospect or an establish solid every day player who came aboard on Atkins watch? I can't.

 

Some say the time to rebuilt has come, wait until July and trade Donaldson, Tulo, Happ, Jose, Martin...clean house and get high ceiling propects in return.

 

However, do you really think Shapiro and Atkins will make the right trade? Bring in the right young players. I don't. If ownership don't clean house with the front office, be ready for 10 years of misery.

 

Another 'Not a Fan' chiming in. Dont drown when you jump ship. No TEAM gets through the injuries this group has sustained and comes out okay.

[CrackerJack]

Our FO is good because they will just collect assets year after year and eventually some Jose Ramirez type guys will pop up out of nowhere.

 

They won't make the franchise crippling mistakes other FOs make.

 

The best combination would have been AA scouring the league for trade scenarios and Shapiro saying either, "How the f*** did you get that offer? Accept immediately" or "No, wtf are you doing? We don't want a 40 year old knuckleballer".

 

would be fun to see Montreal get a team in the next few years ... and they're put in the AL East ... and they hire Alex as Prez or GM ... and then there's a mano a mano showdown between the two regimes ... not just as divisional rivals but also, perhaps, for the hearts of any Canadian baseball fans who have flexible loyalties.

[BlueJayWay]

This FO still hasn't really had the chance to put their stamp on the team yet. They've been trying to finesse the roster they inherited from AA and extend the competitive window while building up the system. We'll see what happens in the next 2-3 years.

[BlueJayWay]

The best combination would have been AA scouring the league for trade scenarios and Shapiro saying either, "How the f*** did you get that offer? Accept immediately" or "No, wtf are you doing? We don't want a 40 year old knuckleballer".

Shapiro as the president or senior GM/consultant type guy with AA as the active GM would've been interesting.

[Spanky99]

Shapiro as the president or senior GM/consultant type guy with AA as the active GM would've been interesting.

 

That's why AA left, he wanted full autonomy.

[glory]

Our FO is good because they will just collect assets year after year and eventually some Jose Ramirez type guys will pop up out of nowhere.

 

They won't make the franchise crippling mistakes other FOs make.

 

The best combination would have been AA scouring the league for trade scenarios and Shapiro saying either, "How the f*** did you get that offer? Accept immediately" or "No, wtf are you doing? We don't want a 40 year old knuckleballer".

 

That.......actually doesn't sound bad.

[glory]

Got to test the waters of a Stro or Sanchez extension. If those guys are reluctant and hate the idea of going thru a 4-5 yr rebuild, should be moved. Either of them returns more than JD, IMO

 

I agree with this if they plan on stripping it down entirely.

 

I don't think Rogers would go for that, though. They might be able to afford to wait another year or two to trade Sanchez/Stroman so the fans don't abandon ship at once. For marketing/PR reasons, ownership would probably want them around, especially if JD is going to be moved (which he should be at this point).

[burlingtonbandit]

Got to test the waters of a Stro or Sanchez extension. If those guys are reluctant and hate the idea of going thru a 4-5 yr rebuild, should be moved. Either of them returns more than JD, IMO

 

They already did and both didn't sign extensions so...

[Governator]

I agree with this if they plan on stripping it down entirely.

 

I don't think Rogers would go for that, though. They might be able to afford to wait another year or two to trade Sanchez/Stroman so the fans don't abandon ship at once. For marketing/PR reasons, ownership would probably want them around, especially if JD is going to be moved (which he should be at this point).

 

I'm not a fan of full rebuilds in baseball, in most cases it rarely makes sense. I mean rolling the dice on prospects that are 3-4+ years out comes with big risks, especially for a team that has rebuilt it's fanbase. That said, they might be able to piggy off the Leafs success to sell it to fans right now. I like the suggestion of listening to Stroman and Sanchez.