Toronto Blue Jays Rebuilding Thread

[John_Havok]

Lol.... no it wasn't. http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/417-What-would-it-take-to-pry-Profar-from-Texas?highlight=Profar

 

I dunno, the majority opinion in that thread seems to be Bautista was worth way more than Profar. A few had the opposing view, but majority was against the idea

[Brownie19]

I dunno, the majority opinion in that thread seems to be Bautista was worth way more than Profar. A few had the opposing view, but majority was against the idea

 

reminds me a bit of the McCutchen for Vlad Jr. discussion...

[John_Havok]

reminds me a bit of the McCutchen for Vlad Jr. discussion...

 

One guy said he wouldnt even trade Vlad for Trout or something... that's when I stopped paying attention

[Spanky99]

Lol.... no it wasn't. http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/417-What-would-it-take-to-pry-Profar-from-Texas?highlight=Profar

 

Yikes.

[wk680]

Well...it's not like those people are seers. He was the #1 prospect at the time and the team looked like it was falling apart. The idea wasn't egregiously bad for a rebuild mindset. Had Profar turned into a 6 WAR player then it would have been a pretty good move.

 

The reason for getting him now is completely different. He would be a buy low candidate that sadly would still be an upgrade to what the Jays are currently trotting out at 2B. No one is saying to acquire Profar because he was 2013's top ranked prospect.

 

He is also still only 24, so potential upside. His overall 72 wRC+ in about 200 MLB games is a decent baseline to project some improvement from. Seems like somewhat above average defensive rating.

 

Profar, being a former #1 overall prospect and having underperformed to date, is a good example that prospects should not be counted on. When I see the references to the coming "Vlad/Bo era" of the Jays, I think people should temper their optimism a bit.

[BTS]

I dunno, the majority opinion in that thread seems to be Bautista was worth way more than Profar. A few had the opposing view, but majority was against the idea

 

That thread was June of 2013. Bautista was in his age-32 season with 2.5 years and ~35M left on his deal, + a 14M team option for a 3rd year. He was also in his second consecutive injury-riddled season, and second season in the 135 wRC+ range.

 

I don't think it was egregious at all to be on the side that thought it was a good time to flip him for the #1 prospect in baseball. Wouldn't really be different from the Sox recent trades of Sale/Eaton/Quintana that have drawn praise from almost everyone.

[Dick_Pole]

He is also still only 24, so potential upside. His overall 72 wRC+ in about 200 MLB games is a decent baseline to project some improvement from. Seems like somewhat above average defensive rating.

 

Profar, being a former #1 overall prospect and having underperformed to date, is a good example that prospects should not be counted on. When I see the references to the coming "Vlad/Bo era" of the Jays, I think people should temper their optimism a bit.

 

I'm already resigned to the fact that Bo Bichette's ceiling is Profar's performance to-date because of all the premature fapping on this board.

[Daniel Labude]

One guy said he wouldnt even trade Vlad for Trout or something... that's when I stopped paying attention

 

Was it me ?

[Ray]

I wonder if Jeff Samardzija is a trade option that this front office would consider. I think he would make a fine 4th starter for next season and beyond. He has a 5 ERA right now, but his FIP is 3.59. He's also coming off a 2.8 WAR season.

 

The thing I like about Samardzija is that he's an absolute workhorse and dependable. He'll give you at least 30 starts a year. Shouldn't cost too much prospect wise assuming we take on the majority of salary. He's clearly not worth $20 million, but if we can get him for ~$15-16 million, that's not a bad deal. With Sanchez a question mark with his blister issues and Happ having an elbow injury scare earlier this season, having a starter that you know will 32 starts is pretty valuable.

[wk680]

I wonder if Jeff Samardzija is a trade option that this front office would consider. I think he would make a fine 4th starter for next season and beyond. He has a 5 ERA right now, but his FIP is 3.59. He's also coming off a 2.8 WAR season.

 

The thing I like about Samardzija is that he's an absolute workhorse and dependable. He'll give you at least 30 starts a year. Shouldn't cost too much prospect wise assuming we take on the majority of salary. He's clearly not worth $20 million, but if we can get him for ~$15-16 million, that's not a bad deal. With Sanchez a question mark with his blister issues and Happ having an elbow injury scare earlier this season, having a starter that you know will 32 starts is pretty valuable.

 

Samardjiza is owed $18M a year for the next 3 seasons (age 33-35 seasons). Yeah he is a true workhorse, on pace for his fifth straight 200+ ip season. Interesting that his K/9 rate to date in 2017 is higher than career average, BUT so is his HR/FB rate. But the FIP and xFIP this season look pretty good. I doubt the Giants are interested in trading him (like the Jays I imagine they see themselves retooling and trying to contend in 2018), so would take a pretty good haul to acquire him. May as well just go for someone in free agency and keep the prospects.

[Ray]

Samardjiza is owed $18M a year for the next 3 seasons (age 33-35 seasons). Yeah he is a true workhorse, on pace for his fifth straight 200+ ip season. Interesting that his K/9 rate to date in 2017 is higher than career average, BUT so is his HR/FB rate. But the FIP and xFIP this season look pretty good. I doubt the Giants are interested in trading him (like the Jays I imagine they see themselves retooling and trying to contend in 2018), so would take a pretty good haul to acquire him. May as well just go for someone in free agency and keep the prospects.

 

Competing or not, I do think they do want to shed salary though. And there are rumors floating around that they're taking calls on him.

[Brownie19]

Does David Dahl still cost us a s*** ton in a trade with the Rockies?

 

I'd love to see us add him. To be honest, Smoak might be a good fit for them?

[Ray]

Does David Dahl still cost us a s*** ton in a trade with the Rockies?

 

I'd love to see us add him. To be honest, Smoak might be a good fit for them?

 

They're more likely to give him a look in the OF than trade him at this point despite his injury. Especially with CarGo becoming a free agent after this season. Opens up a spot for him to play in.

 

Not like Colorado needs a 1B as it is. They already have Reynolds and Desmond and McMahon is in the pipeline just waiting to be called up. He's crushing AAA.

[Jonn]

Does David Dahl still cost us a s*** ton in a trade with the Rockies?

 

I'd love to see us add him. To be honest, Smoak might be a good fit for them?

 

He should be replacing Carlos Gonzalez before long.

[HERPDERP]

[HERPDERP]

I feel like if Liriano was put in the bullpen for the entire season ala Andrew Miller he'd have way more value than his stint as a starter. Then again, that would have meant seeing Latos pitch every 5th day.

[Bobthe4th]

I feel like if Liriano was put in the bullpen for the entire season ala Andrew Miller he'd have way more value than his stint as a starter. Then again, that would have meant seeing Latos pitch every 5th day.

 

He's potentially valuable as a long reliever for a team in the playoffs too. Gives you added security for the bullpen in case the starter comes out early.

[jaysblue]

 

He's a lefty that has electric stuff when he's on. I'm sure many contending teams would roll the dice on him as a No. 5 starter or long man out of the BP especially when the cost wouldn't be that much.

[Ray]

This front office turned Drew Hutchison into Liriano (who despite his struggles this season was pretty important for us down the stretch in 2016) and two Top 100 prospects at the time, and now are going to get something else out of him too.

[HERPDERP]

duplciate

[Ray]

Looks like Liriano is Royals bound. Time to close the book on the Drew Hutchison deal.

[Terminator]

Would love to see the Jays cover the rest of Liriano's salary to get a half decent prospect for him.

[HERPDERP]

 

Please I honestly hope that is not the center piece

[glory]

The moment I saw "Royals", I had a feeling it would be Sparkman. If he's involved, I hope he's not the only prospect.

[jaysblue]

 

Please I honestly hope that is not the center piece

 

Jays basically owned Sparkman as long as they kept him on the MLB roster all season. In essence that would be like giving up Liriano for nothing, only in order to keep Sparkman in AAA. Wouldn't be a fan of this.

[Melvin]

Jays basically owned Sparkman as long as they kept him on the MLB roster all season. In essence that would be like giving up Liriano for nothing, only in order to keep Sparkman in AAA. Wouldn't be a fan of this.

 

This would be vomit-inducing.

[glory]

Sparkman + another lottery ticket would work for me.

 

Sparkman by himself, not so much.

[Terminator]

Jays basically owned Sparkman as long as they kept him on the MLB roster all season. In essence that would be like giving up Liriano for nothing, only in order to keep Sparkman in AAA. Wouldn't be a fan of this.

 

Don't forget to factor in Liriano's salary. Liriano is pretty much a negative asset to us at this point as he's an impending FA and we won't make the playoffs. Let's say the Royals take on 3 million of his remaining contract and give us Sparkman. That's probably worth it.

[Abomination]

 

Please I honestly hope that is not the center piece

 

I don't think we're going to see a big center piece for him. Something like a Sparkman, Burns, Starling type guy is probably all we could really expect (with the Royals picking up the remaining money).

 

I wouldn't mind trying to nab Dozier through, if we can find a way to do that. With his bad season at AAA, he's falling behind on the depth charts. He could be available.

[Pendleton]

I don't think we're going to see a big center piece for him. Something like a Sparkman, Burns, Starling type guy is probably all we could really expect (with the Royals picking up the remaining money).

 

I wouldn't mind trying to nab Dozier through, if we can find a way to do that. With his bad season at AAA, he's falling behind on the depth charts. He could be available.

 

To move him full time to LF? I could get behind that, and seems feasible, doesn't appear he has a future in KC.