Toronto Blue Jays Rebuilding Thread

[KevinGregg]

So, trade them in their primes.

I'm suggesting signing them back in their age 27 and 28 seasons, that's closer to their prime than right now

giving up on this season

This is the rebuilding thread..

 

handcuffing the team with large contracts to pitchers in their 30s

Every single playoff team makes free agent acquisitions

[glory]

so the board consensus for the 2017 Blue Jays was something like 89 wins and a 2nd WC birth, and after two times thru the rotation, it's turned to blow it up haha

 

Yeah it's almost like circumstances change. What a concept. Fans were predicting a high 80's win total and a WC berth because that was the projection prior to the start of the season. After starting 1-9, that projection has dropped to 80-82, and could plummet now with JD out.

 

If the Jays started 4-6 and people were talking about it, then you'd have a point. But 1-9 and making the playoffs would be historic. Talk of rebuilding is probably more reasonable in June/July when we see how the team does over a few months, but it's not absurd to talk about it in general. Team is old, their star is hurt, upper minors are barren, and window is closing/closed. Accept reality and change direction accordingly or live in a bubble.

[Jonn]

That works if you're going to gut everything and start from scratch, which is probably the better way to go if they are trading Donaldson, but a team owned by Rogers probably isn't going to risk it. I'd be pleasantly surprised if they let Shatkins trade Donaldson if the team is out of it, but even if that were to happen, then they may want to keep Sanchez and Stroman to at least give fans a reason to show up to the park.

 

It wouldn't shock me if the team keeps Donaldson, trades some vets at the deadline, and then tries to win again in 2018. Not because Shatkins wants it, but because Rogers wouldn't want revenue to plummet short term.

 

I would be ok with that if they are actually prepared to improve the team signicantly. We aren't going to be able to move Tulo or Martin so it makes sense. But all pending free agents should be moved for sure.

[Gary]

Jays won! Rebuilding plan is on hold!!

[John_Havok]

Jays won! Rebuilding plan is on hold!!

 

Until tomorrow

[BillBucknorslegs]

They have to overcome a lot including the fact that no 1-9 team has ever made the playoffs in the history of Baseball.

 

This is true and a sad reality for this team and us as fans to have to come to grips with so early in the season.

 

I don't think anyone wants it blown up yet. That conversation is still two months away.

 

This is also true and the two realities are not mutually exclusive. I want to see the Jays at least bring back some respectability to the franchise by moving close to .500 over the next few weeks before we start to face the inevitable retooling.

 

This losing streak has been a nightmare and today's win felt like a huge relief. More winning please, then we can start to analyze the coming changes...

[george09]

Could see Mets as a destination for Donaldson.

 

 

What could we get back? Conforto+?

 

 

Would love Rosario

[over500]

Could see Mets as a destination for Donaldson.

 

 

What could we get back? Conforto+?

 

 

Would love Rosario

Yes, David Wright is a corpse now, but he's still signed through 2020 and happens to be their franchise player. I don't see Mets as a fit.

[metafour]

Amed Rosario from the Mets

[wk680]

They have to overcome a lot including the fact that no 1-9 team has ever made the playoffs in the history of Baseball.

 

Maybe so but some teams have overcome similarly awful starts.

 

From a recent fangraphs article:

 

"The Mariners could take heart in what happened in 2011. That year, both the Red Sox and Rays opened 2-8, and the Tigers opened 3-7. They wound up with 90, 91, and 95 wins, respectively, with the Tigers and Rays making the playoffs and the Red Sox just missing. Those Red Sox are remembered for their late-season meltdown, not the early-season sputtering."

 

Another one:

 

"Can the Toronto Blue Jays become the first team to make the postseason after starting the season 1-9? The odds are against them, but it’s certainly not impossible. Teams have suffered long losing streaks and gone on to play playoff baseball before. When the final standings are tabulated, 1-9 in mid-summer counts the same as 1-9 in early April.

 

Bad starts aren’t insurmountable. The 1951 New York Giants won two of their first three, then lost 11 straight. Six months later, Russ Hodges was shouting “The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!” "

[Jimcanuck]

Yes, David Wright is a corpse now, but he's still signed through 2020 and happens to be their franchise player. I don't see Mets as a fit.

 

Jays can take Wright off their hands.

[SAAviour]

Depending on Happs injury, with Sanchez out, this thread just became real. Counting down to July 31st.

Best thing that could have happened is to suck hard so there is no debating a sell off...well other then being good that is.

[glory]

Rosario, Conforto + for Donaldson? Come on, let's get some ideas going. It's going to be a long year. We'll have nothing better to talk about.

[P2F]

Conforto, Rosario and Andres Gimenez or Justin Dunn for Donaldson. Who says no? My guess would be the Mets, though it's probably close to fair.

[BTS]

Conforto, Rosario and Andres Gimenez or Justin Dunn for Donaldson. Who says no? My guess would be the Mets, though it's probably close to fair.

 

That seems like a pretty reasoanble deal for both teams.

[Krylian]

Maybe so but some teams have overcome similarly awful starts.

 

From a recent fangraphs article:

 

"The Mariners could take heart in what happened in 2011. That year, both the Red Sox and Rays opened 2-8, and the Tigers opened 3-7. They wound up with 90, 91, and 95 wins, respectively, with the Tigers and Rays making the playoffs and the Red Sox just missing. Those Red Sox are remembered for their late-season meltdown, not the early-season sputtering."

 

Another one:

 

"Can the Toronto Blue Jays become the first team to make the postseason after starting the season 1-9? The odds are against them, but it’s certainly not impossible. Teams have suffered long losing streaks and gone on to play playoff baseball before. When the final standings are tabulated, 1-9 in mid-summer counts the same as 1-9 in early April.

 

Bad starts aren’t insurmountable. The 1951 New York Giants won two of their first three, then lost 11 straight. Six months later, Russ Hodges was shouting “The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!” "

 

So you have to go back 66 years.

 

I think anyone who thought this team was a contender now knows that this season is a write-off. And they should also realize that next year they'll​ just be one year older​ (and not better).

[xposbrad]

Depending on Happs injury, with Sanchez out, this thread just became real. Counting down to July 31st.

Best thing that could have happened is to suck hard so there is no debating a sell off...well other then being good that is.

 

With that being said, we still need all our trade chips to play well. JD out for a month, is going to hurt his stock. Happ/Estrada need to pitch lights out, but I still don't think they will get as much in return as we think. But, at least the direction of the team is clear, unless Rogers is in denial and still wants to hold onto the 'window' lol.

[wk680]

So you have to go back 66 years.

 

I think anyone who thought this team was a contender now knows that this season is a write-off. And they should also realize that next year they'll​ just be one year older​ (and not better).

 

Agreed. But it is not exactly 66 years. More like 6: Red Sox in 2011 starting 2-8 and ending up with 90 wins. Jays could have gone from 2-10 to 88 wins and maybe get WC. Of course that would be before all the injuries piling up. Now I think they will be lucky to get 75 wins.

[burlingtonbandit]

Conforto, Rosario and Andres Gimenez or Justin Dunn for Donaldson. Who says no? My guess would be the Mets, though it's probably close to fair.

 

Can't see the Mets doing it although I'd love that a the Jays. There just really isn't a 2nd team to drive up the price to that level. Maybe if the Jays add in a 2nd piece

[bones10]

Agreed. But it is not exactly 66 years. More like 6: Red Sox in 2011 starting 2-8 and ending up with 90 wins. Jays could have gone from 2-10 to 88 wins and maybe get WC. Of course that would be before all the injuries piling up. Now I think they will be lucky to get 75 wins.

 

Blah honestly my dumbass is so optimistic with the Jays if we swept the Red Sox in this upcoming series I'd believe.

[wk680]

Blah honestly my dumbass is so optimistic with the Jays if we swept the Red Sox in this upcoming series I'd believe.

 

As none of the injuries are known to be long term yet, I guess it is still in the realm of possibility they could salvage this season and sneak into a WC spot. But guys need to start hitting and somehow at least tread around .500 level of play for the next few weeks with JD on the shelf. If they continue to flounder and fall to 10 GB of the 2nd WC, it will probably be too much to overcome, no matter how hot they may get later on in the season.

[Art Vandelay]

So you have to go back 66 years.

 

I think anyone who thought this team was a contender now knows that this season is a write-off. And they should also realize that next year they'll​ just be one year older​ (and not better).

 

Pretty much. I mean, we failed to make it to the World Series the past two seasons, and if we couldn't do it with those teams, we're not going to do it with this one. At least maybe the success of the Leafs rebuild will take out the sting for some fans.

[george09]

Also see the Braves as a potential destination for Donaldson

[ProfessionalAtBat]

Trade everyone except :

 

- Stroman

- Sanchez

- Osuna

[BlueJayWay]

Trade everyone except :

 

- Stroman

- Sanchez

- Osuna

You might as well trade Osuna as well unless you're looking to turn him into a starter. There's really no point in hanging onto elite relievers on a rebuilding team.

[Krylian]

You might as well trade Osuna as well unless you're looking to turn him into a starter. There's really no point in hanging onto elite relievers on a rebuilding team.

 

I'd even listen on S & S. If someone really wants them badly they may overpay.

[Brownie19]

If we go into a rebuild - I'd trade Sanchez in a heartbeat. Pillar too.

[admin]

The team has been hitting terribly but it's not like it's a terrible team. A couple timely hits and we're over .500 right now. We lost four games by one run and three games by two runs.

[Brownie19]

The team has been hitting terribly but it's not like it's a terrible team. A couple timely hits and we're over .500 right now. We lost four games by one run and three games by two runs.

 

But no team has ever made the playoffs from this position. I mean you can hope for a miracle, but reality suggests the window has closed and with so much uncertainty moving forward, these are legitimate discussions to have. Plus they are fun.

[Krylian]

Waiting much longer and you'll get even less for whatever tradeable assets you may have. I'd rather deal a guy a year too early than a year too late.