Blue Jays Sign Jose Bautista

[george09]

How expensive is Moss going to be? Wouldn't mind Pagan either, but Moss is younger and should be a better defensive player in the outfield. Get him for 1/5, trade Carrera to save a mil, and good to go.

 

 

Doubt moss costs more than 8M

[Brownie19]

Moss ticks a lot of boxes for us....but I find it hard to get on-board with another player with a K% in the upper twenties. Maybe contact is a new fad or something, but I'd rather see us mix in another hitter who doesn't strikeout so much...

[Spanky99]

Both of you stfu

 

 

[burlingtonbandit]

Moss ticks a lot of boxes for us....but I find it hard to get on-board with another player with a K% in the upper twenties. Maybe contact is a new fad or something, but I'd rather see us mix in another hitter who doesn't strikeout so much...

 

I'd rather have a player who can hit a 2 Out 3 Run HR instead of hit a single only to have Morales move up to 3rd and Tulo to 2nd

[Brownie19]

I'd rather have a player who can hit a 2 Out 3 Run HR instead of hit a single only to have Morales move up to 3rd and Tulo to 2nd

 

So you want more Smoak do ya???

[LGBJ29]

I'd rather have a player who can hit a 2 Out 3 Run HR instead of hit a single only to have Morales move up to 3rd and Tulo to 2nd

 

Because thats the only situation in which the player will ever come up to bat right? What if the tying run is on 3rd with 1 out late in the game

[Boxcar]

Because thats the only situation in which the player will ever come up to bat right? What if the tying run is on 3rd with 1 out late in the game

 

I'd rather have the guy who is a better hitter. Not sure if anyone else feels that way.

[Angrioter]

Is Smoak the worst backup 1B at béisbol?

 

Could the Jays sell him to a Japan team?

[Spanky99]

Is Smoak the worst backup 1B at béisbol?

 

Could the Jays sell him to a Japan team?

 

Smoak isn't stopping s***... people need to get over this, he can be moved for 4 million to a team for free, if they need money.

[TwistedLogic]

I'm still triggered that Iannetta signed for 1.5M.

[RealAccountant]

Smoak and Mirrors.

[Gary]

Kurt Suzuki should be Shartkins target at backup catcher.

[L54]

I'm still triggered that Iannetta signed for 1.5M.

 

He would've been a great addition, I agree.

[intentional wok]

If that 1.5M helps sign one more above average regular, I'm more than okay with Jimenez as the backup. I did like Iannetta too, though.

[Spanky99]

If that 1.5M helps sign one more above average regular, I'm more than okay with Jimenez as the backup. I did like Iannetta too, though.

This, there's nothing on the FA that would be better than AJ. Not back-up's anyway... Ianetta wouldn't want to play behind Martin, he see's a window at much more playing time.

[burlingtonbandit]

So you want more Smoak do ya???

 

I want Moss to replace Smoak in the lineup. It was in reference to Moss over a slap hitting outfielder like Aoki/Pagan

[Grant77]

This, there's nothing on the FA that would be better than AJ. Not back-up's anyway... Ianetta wouldn't want to play behind Martin, he see's a window at much more playing time.

 

Jimenez has been a putrid hitter for 4 consecutive years in AAA. We have no reliable information on his framing and the arm hasn't been the same since his injuries. People were so upset with what Thole did, but they want a crappy journeyman to take his spot? He doesn't bring anything more to the table than Thole did. We need to go out and get a veteran backup, leaving Jimenez as the replacement level depth player.

[Spanky99]

I want Moss to replace Smoak in the lineup. It was in reference to Moss over a slap hitting outfielder like Aoki/Pagan

 

I'd rather Moss over guys like that, too. Valbuena would be better, but lets see where this FO goes from here. Wins are Wins... we can all agree on that.

[Spanky99]

Jimenez has been a putrid hitter for 4 consecutive years in AAA. We have no reliable information on his framing and the arm hasn't been the same since his injuries. People were so upset with what Thole did, but they want a crappy journeyman to take his spot? He doesn't bring anything more to the table than Thole did. We need to go out and get a veteran backup, leaving Jimenez as the replacement level depth player.

 

Who? His defense is as called by the FO elite. So, seriously, who?

 

whom here would be better...

 

Steve Clevenger (31)

Hank Conger (29)

Ryan Hanigan (36)

Nick Hundley (33)

Dioner Navarro (33)

Brayan Peña (35)

A.J. Pierzynski (40)

Jarrod Saltalamacchia (32)

Kurt Suzuki (33)

Josh Thole (30)

Matt Wieters (31)

Edited January 18, 2017 by Spanky99

[intentional wok]

Thole sucked and I whined about him with the rest of us but his impact was really kind of negligible. And in fairness to him he really had quite a difficult job in catching a trick pitch once every five days while getting no other reps whatsoever.

 

I'm all for picking up a decent vet to back up Martin but I'm not really sure if it's a spot worth spending any of the remaining cheese on when AJ is right there.

[Spanky99]

Thole sucked and I whined about him with the rest of us but his impact was really kind of negligible. And in fairness to him he really had quite a difficult job in catching a trick pitch once every five days while getting no other reps whatsoever.

 

I'm all for picking up a decent vet to back up Martin but I'm not really sure if it's a spot worth spending any of the remaining cheese on when AJ is right there.

 

Yup, Thole was dealt a bad deal following RA around, no repetitive games played, minimal action, that's really tough in the MLB. It made him some decent money, but not a chance to break through, if he could.

[Grant77]

Who? His defense is as called by the FO elite. So, seriously, who?

 

Trade targets will become available during spring training, perhaps Kevin Plawecki. We could also look at free agents like Ryan Hanigan or Steve Clevenger. We know that Hanigan is a great defender and can get on base a bit, which is already better than best case scenario for Jimenez. Clevenger has a lefty bat and has hit a bit in the past to go with decent D and framing.

[Bobthe4th]

Thole sucked and I whined about him with the rest of us but his impact was really kind of negligible. And in fairness to him he really had quite a difficult job in catching a trick pitch once every five days while getting no other reps whatsoever.

 

I'm all for picking up a decent vet to back up Martin but I'm not really sure if it's a spot worth spending any of the remaining cheese on when AJ is right there.

 

Well a decent backup means that Martin can be rested more without seriously weakening the team. And I doubt AJ provides that.

 

The problem is why would a decent catcher want to be a backup, and (as you say) even if we found one, it wouldn't be as cheap as going with a minimum salary guy.

[Grant77]

Thole sucked and I whined about him with the rest of us but his impact was really kind of negligible. And in fairness to him he really had quite a difficult job in catching a trick pitch once every five days while getting no other reps whatsoever.

 

I'm all for picking up a decent vet to back up Martin but I'm not really sure if it's a spot worth spending any of the remaining cheese on when AJ is right there.

 

Depth is a good thing, especially at catcher. Nobody is advocating spending a bunch of money on Wieters or something, just 1-2 million or a minor league deal. There are a bunch of backups out there and not a lot of jobs. They aren't in a position to make high salary demands.

[Spanky99]

Trade targets will become available during spring training, perhaps Kevin Plawecki. We could also look at free agents like Ryan Hanigan or Steve Clevenger. We know that Hanigan is a great defender and can get on base a bit, which is already better than best case scenario for Jimenez. Clevenger has a lefty bat and has hit a bit in the past to go with decent D and framing.

 

Plawecki would cost a good penny... Clevenger is AJ... Hanigan is good behind the plate, you know I always liked him, but why pay when you can likely get the same thing from AJ... relative to WAR. I don't see any upside or difference in those names.

[Spanky99]

Well a decent backup means that Martin can be rested more without seriously weakening the team. And I doubt AJ provides that.

 

The problem is why would a decent catcher want to be a backup, and (as you say) even if we found one, it wouldn't be as cheap as going with a minimum salary guy.

 

Your latter point, is bang on. We have depth... in Jiminez/McGuire or Ohlman. If Martin goes down long term we're f***ed regardless. They'd have to trade.

[King]

I wanted Michael McKenry but he signed with the Rays.

[AdamGreenwood]

Who? His defense is as called by the FO elite. So, seriously, who?

 

whom here would be better...

 

Steve Clevenger (31)

Hank Conger (29)

Ryan Hanigan (36)

Nick Hundley (33)

Dioner Navarro (33)

Brayan Peña (35)

A.J. Pierzynski (40)

Jarrod Saltalamacchia (32)

Kurt Suzuki (33)

Josh Thole (30)

Matt Wieters (31)

 

Hundley is solid and would probably only cost around 3-4 million, if he's willing to be a backup, which he probably is, by this point.

 

Defense: OK

Pitch framing: Opinions vary

Working with pitchers: Excellent

Hitting: Good

Arm: Poor

[Spanky99]

Hundley is solid and would probably only cost around 3-4 million, if he's willing to be a backup, which he probably is, by this point.

 

Defense: OK

Pitch framing: Opinions vary

Working with pitchers: Excellent

Hitting: Good

Arm: Poor

 

He's a guy I see signing with a club for playing time, though. Same goes for Suzuki.

[King]

He's a guy I see signing with a club for playing time, though. Same goes for Suzuki.

Suzuki is f***ing terrible.