Autographs

[Governator]

Anyone know much about autographs or spotting fakes?

 

I found several signed baseballs in my old bedroom at my parents house, not sure what is real or fake.

 

Two team signed balls, one appears to be 1992 team autographed, looks legit including some smudging and fades in different spots. The other looks far too perfect to be real.

 

Also have a Duane Ward signed ball and a Kevin Brown (lol).

 

If the 1992 team ball is legit seems like it could be worth some dough?

 

Pics later if anyone can help.

[John_Havok]

The 1992 team ball is only worth something for the big market if the big names are on it, and the signatures are clear. The money market for memorabilia doesn't care about signatures for that team other than Carter, Alomar, Winfield, Morris, Stieb.

 

Others are cool and nostalgic, but for pure dollars type of value, those 5 are it.

 

For authentication - it's hard to say. You can usually get a pretty good idea just from looking at comparable signatures online but without real authentication from a third party it would be difficult to sell.

[Governator]

The 1992 team ball is only worth something for the big market if the big names are on it, and the signatures are clear. The money market for memorabilia doesn't care about signatures for that team other than Carter, Alomar, Winfield, Morris, Stieb.

 

Others are cool and nostalgic, but for pure dollars type of value, those 5 are it.

 

 

Those autographs are all clear, though still not sure if it's fake or not. The ball itself is from China and not a Rawlings ball. Doesn't mean the autographs aren't real but it makes me question it although the ink looks legit.

[Governator]

Here are the images. The ball with the black link seems legit but the ball itself is just a China ball. I feel like the blue inked ball was done on a computer and printed out or something in order to fit every name so perfectly?

 

http://imgur.com/a/IGkti

[John_Havok]

Here are the images. The ball with the black link seems legit but the ball itself is just a China ball. I feel like the blue inked ball was done on a computer and printed out or something in order to fit every name so perfectly?

 

http://imgur.com/a/IGkti

 

Can tell you right now the black ink one is fake as f*** imo. The Carter signature looks absolutely nothing like his real autograph. The J doesn't even come close.

 

Winfield also generally doesn't sign his full first name, usually just a D.

 

I would encourage you to seek third party verification though.

[Governator]

Can tell you right now the black ink one is fake as f***. The Carter signature looks absolutely nothing like his real autograph.

 

Winfield also generally doesn't sign his full first name, usually just a D.

 

I would encourage you to seek third party verification though

 

 

 

lol that's hilarious.

[John_Havok]

lol that's hilarious.

 

Just look at other examples of their autographs from Google and I think you'll come to the same conclusion.

 

As for the blue signed one... at least those signatures appear to be legit. It's odd though that so many seem to have the exact same consistency of ink, and literally none of them go near the stitching.

[bendera3]

As someone who was really into sports memorabilia I can tell you that it's incredibly difficult to prove authenticity on any autographed or game used memorabilia. Most "Certificates of Authenticity" are meaningless unless it is backed by lets say a trading card company (which is why those are the only autographs I collect).

 

If you did try to sell them I doubt you'd get a good price on them unless you had a strict chain of possession and even then. I don't even know of any private companies that offer auto-verification to the public.

[Brownie19]

It looks like Joe Carter forgot how to spell his name on the black one...

 

 

You're a Jays fan - keep them for yourself. In 30 years I suspect a fan like you will cherish them more than any amount of money you'd get for them today.

[Pendleton]

The colours on the blue ink ball are really nice, would make for a good display piece.

[TheGrandslamMan]

It's a fake. I used to have the blue-ink one and oddly enough it came with the white-plastic base that your black-ink one is on. They are a misleading cause the blue ink even smudges but it's just a cheap reproduction from the Sears Christmas catalog.

[Governator]

It's a fake. I used to have the blue-ink one and oddly enough it came with the white-plastic base that your black-ink one is on. They are a misleading cause the blue ink even smudges but it's just a cheap reproduction from the Sears Christmas catalog.

 

Lol that sounds like something my Mom would buy. Probably got it as a stocking stuffer.

 

The black one is just f***ing hilarious now that I look at it. My dad was a salesman for 45 years selling pharmaceuticals and made some shady deals off the truck type. Probably traded a box of Aspirin for it.

[Brownie19]

Why do you laugh at the Kevin Brown autograph btw? (looks like there's a personalized message on it?) Kevin Brown was f***ing awesome. I'd buy that one off you.

[TheGrandslamMan]

It was a nice little display piece. A bunch of neighbor kids had that ball too. IIRC there's also a world series logo on the center of the ball itself right?

[Governator]

Why do you laugh at the Kevin Brown autograph btw? (looks like there's a personalized message on it?) Kevin Brown was f***ing awesome. I'd buy that one off you.

 

That's not Kevin Brown the pitcher...

[John_Havok]

As someone who was really into sports memorabilia I can tell you that it's incredibly difficult to prove authenticity on any autographed or game used memorabilia. Most "Certificates of Authenticity" are meaningless unless it is backed by lets say a trading card company (which is why those are the only autographs I collect).

 

If you did try to sell them I doubt you'd get a good price on them unless you had a strict chain of possession and even then. I don't even know of any private companies that offer auto-verification to the public.

 

PSA and Beckett both do autograph authentication

[Brownie19]

That's not Kevin Brown the pitcher...

 

Oh...NO DEAL then. Thanks for being honest.

[Governator]

Oh...NO DEAL then. Thanks for being honest.

 

It has a personal message and if that was the real Kevin Brown it'd be in a display case in my office. He was a catcher the Jays had who never really made it, my dad told me he met him and had it written out to me.

[Spanky__99]

That's not Kevin Brown the pitcher...

 

lol

[Governator]

So I guess bottomline is I got a bunch of s*** unless someone really likes Duane Ward.

[Spanky__99]

So I guess bottomline is I got a bunch of s*** unless someone really likes Duane Ward.

 

Duane Ward was awesome? Cito just killed him.

 

Keep that s*** for nostalgia, man.

[Brownie19]

So I guess bottomline is I got a bunch of s*** unless someone really likes Duane Ward.

 

What would you want for the Ward one?

 

My kids need an endless supply of balls to hit in the front yard so we can take the others off your hands too! hahaha. I let my kids use my Travis Snider signed ball last summer when we seemingly lost all the other ones.

[Governator]

What would you want for the Ward one?

 

My kids need an endless supply of balls to hit in the front yard so we can take the others off your hands too! hahaha. I let my kids use my Travis Snider signed ball last summer when we seemingly lost all the other ones.

 

 

 

Hehe I think I'll hang on to them. Really only interested if a team ball was worth anything and by the looks of things I got the shadiest autographed ball out there.

[TholesWeirdEye]

What would an Alomar official Red Sox ball signed go for (was at a game when the Jays @ Sox)?

[Rusty_Savage]

What would an Alomar official Red Sox ball signed go for (was at a game when the Jays @ Sox)?

 

5 bucks, probably

[burlingtonbandit]

The 1992 team ball is only worth something for the big market if the big names are on it, and the signatures are clear. The money market for memorabilia doesn't care about signatures for that team other than Carter, Alomar, Winfield, Morris, Stieb.

 

Others are cool and nostalgic, but for pure dollars type of value, those 5 are it.

 

For authentication - it's hard to say. You can usually get a pretty good idea just from looking at comparable signatures online but without real authentication from a third party it would be difficult to sell.

 

Thats what 3rd party authentication places do. They just look at the ball and then look at comparable signatures and slap a sticker on it.

[John_Havok]

Thats what 3rd party authentication places do. They just look at the ball and then look at comparable signatures and slap a sticker on it.

 

The differnce being, they have examples on hand that were signed in their presence or provided by the athlete or league they played in, and usually have them from multiple years as a lot of guys' signatures change over time. They also looking at ink consistency and multiple other factors.

[Snowmaker99]

This thread takes me back to a bat I have sitting in the corner....'92 world series bat limited 114 of 1992.....16 signatures....I'm pretty sure my brother went to shower to get the majority of them.....we'll it turns out in '93 Paul Molitor stated there were signed items out there bearing his name that he didnt sign.... my brother wanted to get a few more on the bat and the place he was going to for 'private signings' had apparently been the culprit. So... as my brother has since passed...I have a beautiful bat with a possible 4 forged signatures on it. Molitor. Carter. Olerud. And Ward