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[BTS]

I think Arenado has a very high chance to make it. He's basically guaranteed elite counting stats for the rest of his career as I don't see the Rockies moving on from him. His WAR will be high enough that the counting stats will be too hard to ignore. Great reputation defensively as well.

 

I think Coors has the opposit effect. Larry Walker might be in now if people didn't dismiss his bat because of Coors.

[Bobthe4th]

I think Arenado has a very high chance to make it. He's basically guaranteed elite counting stats for the rest of his career as I don't see the Rockies moving on from him. His WAR will be high enough that the counting stats will be too hard to ignore. Great reputation defensively as well.

 

If Tulo had never been traded he could have had a good chance to make it.

[thatoneguy]

 

The f*** is wrong with the Rangers' organization?

[Brownie19]

I think Coors has the opposit effect. Larry Walker might be in now if people didn't dismiss his bat because of Coors.

 

People are so dumb. Coors inflates counting stats. Walker's case for the HOF was never based on counting stats to start with. It was based on more advanced statistics.

 

1997 - 2002 was an insane run for Walker (minus the injuries in 2000). Slash line of like .340/.440/.670, wRC+ around 160. He was Mike Trout in 1997.

[Spanky99]

 

The f*** is wrong with the Rangers' organization?

 

That's f***ing brutal.

[Terminator]

The f*** is wrong with the Rangers' organization?

 

Trash organization. From the top down to the shitbag manager and players.

 

(I actually don't fault them for this though. People make plans regarding these games, including the large staffs which run the concessions, security, etc. Rescheduling all of that would be a pain in the ass.)

[Abomination]

That's f***ing brutal.

 

There has to be more to it that isn't mentioned, like maybe the Rangers wanting the entire gate from the three games too or something. I understand the Rangers not wanting to upset their schedule when people make plans well ahead of time, but given Houston is going to Tropicana instead, it wouldn't make sense to make that move just because the Rangers wouldn't swap series.

[Captain Adama]

People are so dumb. Coors inflates counting stats. Walker's case for the HOF was never based on counting stats to start with. It was based on more advanced statistics.

 

1997 - 2002 was an insane run for Walker (minus the injuries in 2000). Slash line of like .340/.440/.670, wRC+ around 160. He was Mike Trout in 1997.

 

Let's be real though, how many of HoF voters even look at advanced stats?

[TheHurl]

My updated list after some good feedback:

 

Current players who have already done enough to make the HOF even if they retired today:

 

Miguel Cabrera

Adrian Beltre

Albert Pujols

Ichiro

 

Current players who have done enough to MAYBE make the HOF if they retired today. (Will get consideration but not shoo-ins)

 

Yadier Molina

Justin Verlander

Carlos Beltran

 

Current mid-career players who will likely make the HOF with a few more good years:

 

Joey Votto

Clayton Kershaw

Paul Goldshmidt

Chris Sale (???)

Robinson Cano

Buster Posey

 

Current younger players who clearly have the talent for a HOF career but are too early in their careers to know if they'll keep it up long enough

 

Mike Trout

Bryce Harper

Giancarlo Stanton

 

I'm gonna say no to Ortiz, Pedroia and Bumgarner who are all very good but not quite HOF caliber AFAIC

 

I also don't buy any of the current closers as *likely* hall of famers. Some are very good but none have been elite for the majority of their careers and most seem to have great stretches followed by a fall from grace.

 

Ichiro has to be in...no way they are going to let the all time hits leader not be in the Hall.

 

Other notes, if the process doesn't change a guy like Votto will be hurt by the fact that he's a social f*** up and doesn't give interviews. I do assume the steak and hooker vote crowd will eventually be phased out (although I do believe that the BBWAA f***ing things up is great for baseball in their eyes). Beltran is another who isn't exactly loved by the media (or fans).

 

Pedroia and Cano are basically the same age, similar enough WAR, but Pedroia has about 1200 less PA's but Pedroia has the accolades (MVP, two extra GG's, ROY) behind him. If they finished their career the same way (and it would have be well for both) I could see Pedroia having way more momentum. Of course if you compare them by bWAR (which could be considered a little more matching to traditional values) Cano has him 65 to 52.

 

Longoria is interesting. He's liked, he's the face of a franchise. 50 WAR thru age 31. He's ahead of where many HOF'ers were at age 31.

 

Lastly do think if we did this in 2014 any of us would have thought that King Felix and his 47 fWAR through age 27 would be ignored just three years later.

[Brownie19]

Trash organization. From the top down to the shitbag manager and players.

 

(I actually don't fault them for this though. People make plans regarding these games, including the large staffs which run the concessions, security, etc. Rescheduling all of that would be a pain in the ass.)

 

Is it really a pain in the ass when compared to Hurricane Harvey? I think not. f*** the Rangers. Hate them.

[John_Havok]

Rose has to be in...no way they are going to let the all time hits leader not be in the Hall.

 

Fixed that for you.

 

And yes, Ichiro is a guaranteed Hall of Famer

[TheHurl]

I can't believe the O's are going to end up making the playoffs.

[Abomination]

Apparently the Rays suspended Honeywell for four games (apparently he's been very unhappy about not being called up yet).

[Pendleton]

I can't believe the O's are going to end up making the playoffs.

 

Very frustrating, really don't think they're a good ball club.

[Spanky99]

KC just lost their 4th straight, without scoring a run... 5 innings shy of an all time record, ever! (currently 43 innings)

[TheHurl]

Apparently the Rays suspended Honeywell for four games (apparently he's been very unhappy about not being called up yet).

 

Honeywell for Addison Russell and Jose Albertos

[Abomination]

Honeywell for Addison Russell and Jose Albertos

 

Huh? I don't see a trade listed anywhere.

[Dr. Dinger]

Apparently the Rays suspended Honeywell for four games (apparently he's been very unhappy about not being called up yet).

 

Honeywell should be pissed off, he's completely decimated the upper minors with a flawless profile while the Rays trot out spot starters like Austin Pruitt and slide out of the playoff picture. It's embarrassing and underscores the big problem of service time manipulation. He would have been up months ago on any team with playoff aspirations and a league average payroll. They keep him off their 40 to squeeze anything they can out of fringy pieces, meanwhile he'd probably be their 2nd or 3rd best starter if they just used him. He has nothing to learn or prove in AAA at this point.

 

Also, this is an entirely toothless suspension since a 4 game suspension means he won't miss a start.

[Abomination]

Honeywell should be pissed off, he's completely decimated the upper minors with a flawless profile while the Rays trot out spot starters like Austin Pruitt while sliding out of the playoff picture. It's embarrassing and underscores the big problem of service time manipulation. He would have been up months ago on any team with playoff aspirations and a league average payroll. They keep him off their 40 to squeeze anything they can out of fringy pieces, meanwhile he'd probably be their 2nd or 3rd best starter if they just used him. He has nothing to learn or prove in AAA at this point.

 

I agree.

[TheHurl]

Huh? I don't see a trade listed anywhere.

 

off season prediction. Rays are obsessed with Russell

[TheHurl]

people jumped to the conclusion that is what the suspension is over purely because he retweeted a bunch of MLB Debuts and a "Please wait for call up" sign from an Airport. I honestly believe the Rays missed out on calling him up when Odorizzi got hurt but he's also only 22 and gets hit hard often. It's not like they have a history of waiting for September to make a call up (Archer was initially a June call up for 2 games before making an August start, Cobb I know was June as well). I would take a guess that they don't believe the difference that he'll make right now is enough.

[BlueJayWay]

Very frustrating, really don't think they're a good ball club.

That's the frustrating thing about this season. Minnesota, LA, Seattle, KC, Baltimore...none of these teams are very good but one they're all in a playoff race. All it took for the Jays to be in a playoff race this year was not be terrible...and they ended up being completely terrible.

[Brownie19]

off season prediction. Rays are obsessed with Russell

 

But they have Heck now!

[BTS]

Honeywell should be pissed off, he's completely decimated the upper minors with a flawless profile while the Rays trot out spot starters like Austin Pruitt and slide out of the playoff picture. It's embarrassing and underscores the big problem of service time manipulation. He would have been up months ago on any team with playoff aspirations and a league average payroll. They keep him off their 40 to squeeze anything they can out of fringy pieces, meanwhile he'd probably be their 2nd or 3rd best starter if they just used him. He has nothing to learn or prove in AAA at this point.

 

Also, this is an entirely toothless suspension since a 4 game suspension means he won't miss a start.

 

The Rays should be embarrassed. They're 1.5 games out of a playoff spot, and have let Honeywell rot in AAA while giving tons of innings to a bunch of gas cans, especially in the pen.

[Dick_Pole]

That's the frustrating thing about this season. Minnesota, LA, Seattle, KC, Baltimore...none of these teams are very good but one they're all in a playoff race. All it took for the Jays to be in a playoff race this year was not be terrible...and they ended up being completely terrible.

 

Think of the bright side. Chances are these teams won't be very good in 2018 and the Jays will have a second kick at the can as a fringe contender while waiting for the young guys to come up.

[Dr. Dinger]

The Rays should be embarrassed. They're 1.5 games out of a playoff spot, and have let Honeywell rot in AAA while giving tons of innings to a bunch of gas cans, especially in the pen.

 

At this rate they won't even call him up until next June. It's gotta be frustrating as hell for a prospect like him, universally recognized as one of the top prospects in the game, meeting every challenge they give him and excelling, and seeing other (non) prospects getting shots before him for non-game reasons. This kid went to the Futures Game and completely dunked on the competition; his stuff is actualized and his command is outstanding. The Rays are being even cheaper than usual and I hope it f***s them.

[TheHurl]

At this rate they won't even call him up until next June. It's gotta be frustrating as hell for a prospect like him, universally recognized as one of the top prospects in the game, meeting every challenge they give him and excelling, and seeing other (non) prospects getting shots before him for non-game reasons. This kid went to the Futures Game and completely dunked on the competition; his stuff is actualized and his command is outstanding. The Rays are being even cheaper than usual and I hope it f***s them.

 

I honestly doubt it's financial though. Making the playoffs would be way more profitable than the long term cost. You know the Rays probably have their systems which says what is best for long term development, nothing gets them away from their systems. Would be interesting to talk to a certain someone about this one.

[TheHurl]

40 years ago today, Giants Play by Play man Duane Kuiper hit his first Home Run. Significant because it was his only home run...in 3754 PA's he hit one HR. 4 years ago they made a pretty funny documentary about it.

 

 

Best like by Krukow

We played the San Quentin Pirates, they have a great schedule all home games

[Dr. Dinger]

Danny Duffy DUI

 

Good look, pal.

[The Cats Ass]

Danny Duffy DUI

 

Good look, pal.

 

Passed out in the Burger King drive thru.