Stroman or Sanchez

[Atothe]

I like Stroman the pitcher but off the mound he is unbearably annoying

[Gary]

I like Stroman the pitcher but off the mound he is unbearably annoying

 

He's a star on Tinder.

[Jimcanuck]

King's question is who would you keep going forward.

 

Stroman is the easy answer. He has the upside to significantly improve on 2016 and likely will. He's also more durable IMO.

 

Sanchez' 2016 is close to what we can expect from him at his peak. He had some health concerns last season, kept tightly under wraps, but TJS is likely in his future.

 

Given Sanchez' 2016 he will return a significant haul, more than Stroman would, and at the same time Stroman is a good choice to have better career.

 

Easy answer.

 

Also, dumb question.

[burlingtonbandit]

He's a star on Tinder.

 

lol do you have your account set to Men so thats how you know?

[Jonn]

Strochez

[reedjohnsonfan]

Funny how a year ago you'd get flamed for making this thread for the opposite reason.

 

Sanchez still seems dicey with his control sometimes but he has (and always has had) much more potential. Last year might have been just the tip of the iceberg.

[Jonn]

lol do you have your account set to Men so thats how you know?

 

Maybe he's trying to scope out the competition?

[Dick_Pole]

lol do you have your account set to Men so thats how you know?

 

I thought homophobic remarks were frowned on around here ever since it's been known that there are real-life homosexuals perusing these threads.

[Stangstag]

King is doing his best to be voted dumbest poster of the year.

 

The salt is real

[THANOS]

Sanchez.

Stroman looks too much like Ricky Romero, so I don't trust him.

 

Ricky Romero couldn't throw strikes or strikeout anyone. How is Stroman like Romero? The writing was always in the peripherals with Romero.

[Spanky99]

Ricky Romero couldn't throw strikes or strikeout anyone. How is Stroman like Romero? The writing was always in the peripherals with Romero.

 

*whoosh*

[Spanky99]

Can't we keep both long term?

 

http://www.relatably.com/m/img/why-not-both-meme-origin/3449086.jpg

[Whatsup]

Sanchez

[TholesWeirdEye]

I didn't vote for lack of choice on the ballot.

[93 Jays]

I voted Stroman because the second that you board s***-iots get too high on Sanchez is the exact moment he will turn into dog turd. Do you not remember the Stroman projects to be an ace conversations this time last year? Sanchez is a reliever or #4/5 guy. That's what I said last year and I am sticking to it unlike all of you hive-mind bandwagon jumpers.

 

I am not a bandwagon jumper as I called out Sanchez as the superior talent years ago. Sanchez is a no 1 all the way to bank and all the way to the end of his career. I think you mixed things up because Marcus is the one who is a no 4 or 5 at best and he sank back to this reality this year and we will see it next year as well. Sanchez is twice the talent Stroman is and I don't even think theres any point debating it at all

[Deadpool]

I am not a bandwagon jumper as I called out Sanchez as the superior talent years ago. Sanchez is a no 1 all the way to bank and all the way to the end of his career. I think you mixed things up because Marcus is the one who is a no 4 or 5 at best and he sank back to this reality this year and we will see it next year as well. Sanchez is twice the talent Stroman is and I don't even think theres any point debating it at all

 

It's fair to prefer Sanchez over Stroman, but it's pretty ridiculous to suggest that Stroman had anything other than a stellar year in 2016... top 10 in FIP, top THREE in xFIP, top 10 in WAR (literally one place behind Sanchez), #1 in GB%... I mean, that was a hell of a season from both of those guys...

[BigCecil]

It's fair to prefer Sanchez over Stroman, but it's pretty ridiculous to suggest that Stroman had anything other than a stellar year in 2016... top 10 in FIP, top THREE in xFIP, top 10 in WAR (literally one place behind Sanchez), #1 in GB%... I mean, that was a hell of a season from both of those guys...

 

Agreed. Interesting when I watch him pitch the frustration I get. The nibbling and constant down in the zone. Its effective but the 3rd time through he starts to get hit so hard (not uncommon). He doesn't give them a look up often enough with the 4S early on imo. When he does start to miss up, it gets crushed...his HR/FB the last 2 seasons is mucho grande. It was so predictable against CLE in the must win the playoffs 3rd time through. Gibby rolled the dice.

[93 Jays]

It's fair to prefer Sanchez over Stroman, but it's pretty ridiculous to suggest that Stroman had anything other than a stellar year in 2016... top 10 in FIP, top THREE in xFIP, top 10 in WAR (literally one place behind Sanchez), #1 in GB%... I mean, that was a hell of a season from both of those guys...

 

Stellar year? is that what you call that? Cos the only guy I;d rather see him pitch over was Dickey. Stroman was decent for the first six inning and then his numbers implode. Look at his late game splits and you see the hitters absolutely mauled him after he reached 80 pitches. His metrics can be studly all they want but fact is that he was less than a .500 pitcher with an ERA bordering four and a half with horrible numbers in the late innings. Not so stellar IMO, but that;s just me.

[devo]

Stellar year? is that what you call that? Cos the only guy I;d rather see him pitch over was Dickey. Stroman was decent for the first six inning and then his numbers implode. Look at his late game splits and you see the hitters absolutely mauled him after he reached 80 pitches. His metrics can be studly all they want but fact is that he was less than a .500 pitcher with an ERA bordering four and a half with horrible numbers in the late innings. Not so stellar IMO, but that;s just me.

 

Soon as you reference his win/loss record as a reason for why he didn't have a good season your argument loses all credibility...

[Deadpool]

Stellar year? is that what you call that? Cos the only guy I;d rather see him pitch over was Dickey. Stroman was decent for the first six inning and then his numbers implode. Look at his late game splits and you see the hitters absolutely mauled him after he reached 80 pitches. His metrics can be studly all they want but fact is that he was less than a .500 pitcher with an ERA bordering four and a half with horrible numbers in the late innings. Not so stellar IMO, but that;s just me.

 

If you're going to bring pitcher wins to a WAR fight, there's really no point...

 

Argue that you disagree with the way he was used, sure that's fair, but please stop trying to pretend that a pitcher's w/l record means f***ing anything at all.

[93 Jays]

Only facing 81 batters after pitch 90 he gave up 8hr with a slugging .654 and oba of .358 for and ops of .988......and his numbers were not much better on pitches 76-90. Indicated to me that his overall numbers are skewed, including the ERA I mentioned. But what it does say is that he runes pretty good for 5 or 6 max and then gets shelled to sat the least. His late inning numbers are as ugly as they get. I mean, 1 hr per 10 AB? a .307 BAA? slug of .654 and obp of .358?

 

Great early but garbage late

[93 Jays]

His W/L numbers aren't what I was arguing although I did bring it up. Just love how you pick that out and ignore everything else.... ROFLMAO

[93 Jays]

Stop trying to pretend his metrics say he had a stellar year when fact is he had everything but that. He was average overall and the only thiung stellar about him were his numbers through 5 innings. That's not what makes a great starter, never mind a stellar one

[Deadpool]

His W/L numbers aren't what I was arguing although I did bring it up. Just love how you pick that out and ignore everything else.... ROFLMAO

 

Remember the part where I said that you could argue with how he was used, but not that he was a bad pitcher? Those were good times, right? If your argument is "he should be taken out at around 80 pitches", that's a fair argument and one that has merit. If your argument is "sure, he was worth 3.6 WAR, but I still think he sucked!", then you don't have an argument.

[Spanky99]

Remember the part where I said that you could argue with how he was used, but not that he was a bad pitcher? Those were good times, right? If your argument is "he should be taken out at around 80 pitches", that's a fair argument and one that has merit. If your argument is "sure, he was worth 3.6 WAR, but I still think he sucked!", then you don't have an argument.

 

http://i.imgur.com/euUKA2q.jpg

[BigCecil]

Remember the part where I said that you could argue with how he was used, but not that he was a bad pitcher? Those were good times, right? If your argument is "he should be taken out at around 80 pitches", that's a fair argument and one that has merit. If your argument is "sure, he was worth 3.6 WAR, but I still think he sucked!", then you don't have an argument.

Good to see more of you DP. Better forum when you are around.

[burlingtonbandit]

Aaron Sanchez working on adding more strength more this year. https://theathletic.com/28859/2016/12/08/blue-jays-aaron-sanchez-is-bulking-up-again/

 

General manager Ross Atkins believes Sanchez, the American League ERA leader in 2016, will be even better next season as a result of his winter regimen and “natural maturation” at age 24.

 

“It seems like his leap was a large one … last year,” Atkins said Wednesday. “I think the slope is continuing – the way that he’s working this offseason, what he’s doing on a daily basis, it’s impressive, the strides he continues to make.”

 

The GM said Sanchez is focusing on building lower-body strength during his daily workouts.

 

“He’s committed to putting on more muscle,” Atkins said. “He’s done an incredible job with his vertical jump, with his overall range of motion, his overall power.”

 

The high-performance staff, based year-round in Dunedin, is guiding those workouts.

[AdamGreenwood]

Remember the part where I said that you could argue with how he was used, but not that he was a bad pitcher? Those were good times, right? If your argument is "he should be taken out at around 80 pitches", that's a fair argument and one that has merit. If your argument is "sure, he was worth 3.6 WAR, but I still think he sucked!", then you don't have an argument.

 

This is basically your logic taken to the next level:

 

Similarly, you can't say Tommy Milone is a bad pitcher, you can just say he was used improperly.

If you say he should be taken out after 40 pitches, that's a fair argument. But if you say he sucks, you don't have an argument.

[Spanky99]

This is basically your logic taken to the next level:

 

Similarly, you can't say Tommy Milone is a bad pitcher, you can just say he was used improperly.

If you say he should be taken out after 40 pitches, that's a fair argument. But if you say he sucks, you don't have an argument.

 

[snow19]

Jays should have traded Stroman instead of Thor