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I agree about him not having to prove he can perform as a DH. With a Holiday (or Beltran), you would just be taking it as an article of faith that the transition will go smoothly.

 

Also I did an average of his OPS+ for the past 5 seasons, weighted for the number of PAs in those 5 seasons, and I got a weighted average OPS+ of 113.

 

I noticed this statement from the Shi Davidi article:

 

"He also has a reputation as a strong and positive clubhouse presence."

 

And this from a guy who helped lead the Royals to 2016 WS. So that may add some intangible value.

 

That's interesting, do tell. I think his wRC+ will tell the story, once Steamer adjusts his club and playing schedule.

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No World Series in 2016. Royals fans aren't happy they couldn't afford to keep him and also that he went to Toronto. They seemed to be pretty fond of him. Only judging by the 6 fans they have on their board, though

 

Not like Saunders where nobody here seems to care he is gone and will probably end up getting similar money to big ken, and is basically not much better than a dh himself. And they could plunk him in the field if he needed to fill in couldn't he?

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I agree about him not having to prove he can perform as a DH. With a Holiday (or Beltran), you would just be taking it as an article of faith that the transition will go smoothly.

 

Also I did an average of his OPS+ for the past 5 seasons, weighted for the number of PAs in those 5 seasons, and I got a weighted average OPS+ of 113.

 

I noticed this statement from the Shi Davidi article:

 

"He also has a reputation as a strong and positive clubhouse presence."

 

And this from a guy who helped lead the Royals to 2016 WS. So that may add some intangible value.

 

I think Donaldson is a big fan of him IIRC.

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Also the 30 home runs and 90 rbi looks pretty good to the casual fan though he is just a DH. I doubt many random fans are disappointed even if it's not Edwin
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Also the 30 home runs and 90 rbi looks pretty good to the casual fan though he is just a DH. I doubt many random fans are disappointed even if it's not Edwin

 

Tell us about your Baltimore thread, that gave you this assumption.

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One article I read is that they could trade for 32 year old Nick Markakis (2 years $11 million per left on his deal).

 

He's a boring consistent slightly above average player - but I can't see the Jays signing anyone with draft pick compensation tied to them - he is an upgrade in right field to Jose and he doesn't cost the Jays as many years as a Josh Reddick. He also won't cost the Jays any high quality prospects. I'd like a better player but factoring in years/dollars/prospects/draft picks and the fact that he bats left and is consistent he may be a legit trade target.

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No World Series in 2016. Royals fans aren't happy they couldn't afford to keep him and also that he went to Toronto. They seemed to be pretty fond of him. Only judging by the 6 fans they have on their board, though

 

Not like Saunders where nobody here seems to care he is gone and will probably end up getting similar money to big ken, and is basically not much better than a dh himself. And they could plunk him in the field if he needed to fill in couldn't he?

 

Whoops:o, meant Royals 2015 WS, which included Morales. He had a line of .255/.309/.510 with 4 HR and 10 RBI in 16 games during that postseason run.

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Whoops:o, meant Royals 2015 WS, which included Morales. He had a line of .255/.309/.510 with 4 HR and 10 RBI in 16 games during that postseason run.

 

Your math on OPS+ over the next 5 years? What would his wRC+ be? Do you have advanced stats we're not privy too, what org do you work for?

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That's interesting, do tell. I think his wRC+ will tell the story, once Steamer adjusts his club and playing schedule.

 

2012: 522 PA, 119 OPS+

2013: 657 PA, 123 OPS+

2014: 401 PA, 75 OPS+

2015: 639 PA, 127 OPS+

2016: 618 PA, 108 OPS+

5 year total 2857 PA

 

'weighted' average OPS+ = (522/2837)(119) + (657/2837)(123) + (401/2837)(75) + (639/2837)(127) + (618/2837)(108) =- 113

 

turns out the simple average OPS+ for those 5 years is 110 , so about the same.

 

I am mostly looking at the total 199 RBI over the past 2 seasons.

 

Also consider these 'clutch' stats for 2016:

RISP, 2 out: .296/.367/.620

high leverage: .260/.322/.500

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3 of which home runs in alds against Houston. 1.050 ops. Didn't do as much against Toronto in ALCS. Then even less in WS. Still looking forward to see how he does

 

Mittens.

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2012: 522 PA, 119 OPS+

2013: 657 PA, 123 OPS+

2014: 401 PA, 75 OPS+

2015: 639 PA, 127 OPS+

2016: 618 PA, 108 OPS+

5 year total 2857 PA

 

'weighted' average OPS+ = (522/2837)(119) + (657/2837)(123) + (401/2837)(75) + (639/2837)(127) + (618/2837)(108) =- 113

 

turns out the simple average OPS+ for those 5 years is 110 , so about the same.

 

I am mostly looking at the total 199 RBI over the past 2 seasons.

 

Also consider these 'clutch' stats for 2016:

RISP, 2 out: .296/.367/.620

high leverage: .260/.322/.500

 

I thought you were speaking of future OPS+?

 

I am mostly looking at the total 199 RBI over the past 2 seasons.

 

Also consider these 'clutch' stats for 2016:

RISP, 2 out: .296/.367/.620

high leverage: .260/.322/.500

 

This is dumb.

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I think the bottom line is this deal is not as hard to find something to like as say when we got Melvin Upton. Imagine he was a free agent this year and they signed him. People would be desperately searching for stats to find an upside.
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I thought you were speaking of future OPS+?

 

 

 

This is dumb.

 

I take it you are not a fan of the concept of 'clutch hitting' :P

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