Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Brownie19]

There's no way you can run Carrera out there every day against RHP when he has a career 78 wRC+ against them. You can sign literally any of the OFs available or Valbuena (Pearce to LF) and come out way ahead against RHP for like $4M to $8M.

 

We probably should have just non-tendered him and invited him back on a minor league deal.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Because they don't have any diabolical, insanely retarded or insanely genius, 15 player transactions cooking.

 

I think everyone on this board pretty much knows how this off-season will end. We'll just take our pick of the best $/WAR stop gaps that are left out there.

 

possible, but disappointing!

[burlingtonbandit]

Only thing I see why they would give Carerra that would be if they plan on sending him to Buffalo and believe he's worth paying that much money to be depth. There is no way he should be getting regular ABs. Reminds me of Goins as the everyday starting 2nd baseman in 2014.

[Bobthe4th]

Only thing I see why they would give Carerra that would be if they plan on sending him to Buffalo and believe he's worth paying that much money to be depth. There is no way he should be getting regular ABs. Reminds me of Goins as the everyday starting 2nd baseman in 2014.

 

The only way Carrera doesn't make the 25 man is if we sign two more outfielders, which seems very unlikely at this point.

 

He did fine as a 4th outfielder last year and they'll likely use him in that role again.

[intentional wok]

I can also see a Zeke-Upton platoon, depending on if the FO picks up a dedicated OF. Whoever doesn't start a particular game will probably regularly be a late game defensive replacement too. I don't think there are any guys on the open market who are particularly good OFs to have running around out there in a tight game if their next AB isn't for seven or eight spots.

 

This also depends on what the day-to-day plan is with Smoak and if management see Pearce as a viable OF. It's possible they aren't even certain what Pearce's defensive capabilities are yet.

[Angrioter]

We need Zeke injury ASAP

[LGBJ29]

The team couldn't generate runs when it needed to, which is why the Royals bullpen took a crap on our historic offense...which is also the same thing that Cleveland did to both us and Boston this year.

 

Both the Royals in '15 and the Indians in '16 hit more homeruns than us in our respective series'. When your offense is more or less built on hitting HRs (but but but our team OBP...I don't care) and the opponent out homers you, you're probably going to lose.

 

I was going to point out how you shouldn't rely on a small sample size to effectively measure performance, but you did that in your own post without even realizing it

[jerb]

 

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[jays_fever]

The only way Carrera doesn't make the 25 man is if we sign two more outfielders, which seems very unlikely at this point.

 

He did fine as a 4th outfielder last year and they'll likely use him in that role again.

 

I think the Zeke hate defintely comes with how much Gibby seems to love and overuse him. He's fine as a bench piece

[wk680]

I think the Zeke hate defintely comes with how much Gibby seems to love and overuse him. He's fine as a bench piece

 

It's not like he is a bad player. He produced 0.7 fWAR in 2016 over 310 PA (0.2 fWAR over 192 PA in 2015). Then there is his 2016 playoff results (I know small sample size but still on the BIG stage against quality pitching): .303/.371/.515 in 36 PA. He certainly appears worthy of a roster spot and 200-300 PA coming off that season. He is also still on the 'right' side of 30 (turns 30 in June), so has that going for him.

 

I think the Jays should be carrying 5 OFers, and if 2 of them are from the group Moss, Pearce and Bautista, you have actually a couple 1B/OF guys so still lots of flexibility.

[Brownie19]

It's not like he is a bad player. He produced 0.7 fWAR in 2016 over 310 PA (0.2 fWAR over 192 PA in 2015). Then there is his 2016 playoff results (I know small sample size but still on the BIG stage against quality pitching): .303/.371/.515 in 36 PA. He certainly appears worthy of a roster spot and 200-300 PA coming off that season. He is also still on the 'right' side of 30 (turns 30 in June), so has that going for him.

 

I think the Jays should be carrying 5 OFers, and if 2 of them are from the group Moss, Pearce and Bautista, you have actually a couple 1B/OF guys so still lots of flexibility.

 

Actually - that's exactly what it's like.

[glory]

Carrera is not good. Gibbons thinks he is.

 

That's a problem.

[Angrioter]

Carrera is not good. Gibbons thinks he is.

 

That's a problem.

 

Zeke is a good player in the right hands. Zeke is a bad asset in Gibbons' hands

[Brownie19]

Personally, I think it's time to see what Pompey can offer (over Zeke) - regardless of whether he's getting full-time at bats/playing time or not.

[wk680]

Carrera is not good. Gibbons thinks he is.

 

That's a problem.

 

Apparently Gibbons is not the only one who is mistaken then. Or is fWAR not the gospel truth afterall?! Also, if he is no good, why did Shap/Atkins decide to keep him - they are also wrong ?

 

Sure he is not a 3+ WAR player, but then nobody ever said he was - just a useful role player with positive contribution.

[BTS]

Apparently Gibbons is not the only one who is mistaken then. Or is fWAR not the gospel truth afterall?! Also, if he is no good, why did Shap/Atkins decide to keep him - they are also wrong ?

 

Sure he is not a 3+ WAR player, but then nobody ever said he was - just a useful role player with positive contribution.

 

He projects at replacement level. He handled himself as a 4th OF last year, but he's not a good player. Kind of like when Ryan Goins and Chris Colabello had good 2015s.

[wk680]

He projects at replacement level. He handled himself as a 4th OF last year, but he's not a good player. Kind of like when Ryan Goins and Chris Colabello had good 2015s.

 

Depends on the definition of good. A guy making $1M and producing +0.7 fWAR in half season worth of playing time is not good? Yes he is not great, but he is a good 4-5th outfielder.

 

And we all know the projections are accurate. So accurate in fact that they should just hand the Division Title to Boston on Apr. 1st.

 

I am not here as a special pleader for any player, but I don't care for the armchair GMs on this board bashing a guy just because they are frustrated that the FO has not gone out and obtained 'better' players.

[Ray]

Would it be a bad idea to get Valbuena on a Pearce deal and stick him in LF with Upton? He's made a couple starts in the outfield before, though he is a primary infielder. Love his bat.

[Angrioter]

Depends on the definition of good. A guy making $1M and producing +0.7 fWAR in half season worth of playing time is not good? Yes he is not great, but he is a good 4-5th outfielder.

 

And we all know the projections are accurate. So accurate in fact that they should just hand the Division Title to Boston on Apr. 1st.

 

I am not here as a special pleader for any player, but I don't care for the armchair GMs on this board bashing a guy just because they are frustrated that the FO has not gone out and obtained 'better' players.

 

3 WAR for 20M > 1 WAR for 5M

[wk680]

3 WAR for 20M > 1 WAR for 5M

 

Yes because you only have 25 roster spots and an overabundance of 1 WAR players aren't going to get it done. But you also can't have 25 players making $20M (yes that's obviously an exaggeration). Bottom line is to have a couple 0.5-1 WAR 2nd stringers making $1M can be a valuable part of an overall winning effort, so I am perplexed by the desire of so many here to throw a guy like that under the bus. Maybe the Jays are better off giving that roster spot to a guy with more upside (Pompey), but Pompey may have a higher probability of being a negative. He hasn't exactly been tearing it up in AA/AAA.

[Abomination]

Yes because you only have 25 roster spots and an overabundance of 1 WAR players aren't going to get it done. But you also can't have 25 players making $20M (yes that's obviously an exaggeration). Bottom line is to have a couple 0.5-1 WAR 2nd stringers making $1M can be a valuable part of an overall winning effort, so I am perplexed by the desire of so many here to throw a guy like that under the bus. Maybe the Jays are better off giving that roster spot to a guy with more upside (Pompey), but Pompey may have a higher probability of being a negative. He hasn't exactly been tearing it up in AA/AAA.

 

Well, the idea is to have high WAR players in all positions, you just can't buy them all in FA. You have to have a constant development stream of good players too to keep the payroll at a reasonable level.

[Brownie19]

Would it be a bad idea to get Valbuena on a Pearce deal and stick him in LF with Upton? He's made a couple starts in the outfield before, though he is a primary infielder. Love his bat.

 

You'd just put him at 1st and stick Pearce in LF.

 

I love Valbuena. Hope we get him.

[jerb]

 

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#BlueJays filed $3.1 million as Stroman's arbitration number. He filed $3.4 million.

[Jimcanuck]

 

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#BlueJays filed $3.1 million as Stroman's arbitration number. He filed $3.4 million.

 

Well f*** just split the middle

[burlingtonbandit]

Wonder if they are talking extension with Stroman. He's in Toronto right now.

[wk680]

Well, the idea is to have high WAR players in all positions, you just can't buy them all in FA. You have to have a constant development stream of good players too to keep the payroll at a reasonable level.

 

Yes ideally high WAR everyday players, SP and key relievers. But you don't necessarily need a high WAR backup/part-time outfielder, although it's obviously nice for optimizing depth.

[Jimcanuck]

Wonder if they are talking extension with Stroman. He's in Toronto right now.

 

Hope so.... 5 years @ $12M AAV would be great

[Pendleton]

Well f*** just split the middle

 

$3.25M it is, check out my math skills.

[glory]

Wonder if they are talking extension with Stroman. He's in Toronto right now.

 

Wouldn't surprise me. Not sure it's priority with four years of control remaining, but Shapiro has a history of signing players to team friendly deals during their arb years.

[Ray]

I hoping we can do Bautista, Valbuena and Blevins for 30 million.