Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Jonn]

Opening day projection without any upgrades

 

Upton LF

Donaldson 3B

Morales DH

Tulo SS

Smoak 1B

Pearce RF

Martin C

Travis 2B

Pillar CF

 

Not good enough by any means. Probably the fourth best lineup in AL East and below average overall

 

That won't happen though.

[RealAccountant]

That won't happen though.

 

I hope so

[Rusty_Savage]

Opening day projection without any upgrades

 

Upton LF

Donaldson 3B

Morales DH

Tulo SS

Smoak 1B

Pearce RF

Martin C

Travis 2B

Pillar CF

 

Not good enough by any means. Probably the fourth best lineup in AL East and below average overall

 

What is the point of this? You could have made the same post as soon as the season ended

[G-Snarls]

Opening day projection without any upgrades

 

Upton LF

Donaldson 3B

Morales DH

Tulo SS

Smoak 1B

Pearce RF

Martin C

Travis 2B

Pillar CF

 

Not good enough by any means. Probably the fourth best lineup in AL East and below average overall

 

f***

 

Depressing looking with no Fowler Edwin or Bautista

[glory]

What would it take to land Billy Hamilton or Jarrod Dyson?

 

The Royals have Gordon, Cain, and Soler in the outfield. Can't imagine it would take a bunch to get Dyson but probably at least one good prospect. Or maybe they'd want MLB help, in which case the Jays might be a bad trading partner.

 

I just want Dyson on the team. Fits the Jays needs and is mad underrated. There has to be a way.

[RealAccountant]

We can't trade any of our MLB talent because everyone wants SP. We can't trade our prospects because we have a precious few that don't suck

 

Just brig Bautista and Saunders back. Saunders platoons with Upton, Bautista in RF with Pearce and him switching off

 

Pearce

Donaldson

Morales

Bautista

Upton/Saunders

Tulo

Pearce

Martin

Travis

Pillar

[intentional wok]

It might be worth reflecting that the Donaldson, Price, and Tulo trades are currently preventing the team from having much flexibility. Not that I would necessarily reverse any of them, but it's good to remember that Shatkins are trying to build a different model than AA's. AA was at the helm for six years, made at least six heavy duty trades, and only built a playoff capable squad in his final year... a year which still required him to make three blockbuster trades, among others, over eight months. (I still think the 2013-14 teams were totally beseiged by bad luck, but still.)

[Brownie19]

New plan.

 

- Trade for Dyson

- Trade for Puig

- Trade for Patrick Corbin....(fall back would be Bastardo - who should almost be free)

 

I think there's a decent chance you can get all 3 without give up a significant package of prospects.

 

- Sign K.Jansen - 5 yr $85M

- Sign Valbuena - 2 yr $16M (fall back would be B.Moss)

- Sign Bud Norris

 

Travis 2nd

JD 3rd

Tulo SS

Morales DH

Puig RF

Pearce/Valbuena 1st

Martin C

Pillar CF

Dyson/Pearce LF

 

Team is built on defense and pitching and more team speed.

[SweetSmellingChacin]

My guess is JB/Revere is the plan now.

[glory]

My guess is JB/Revere is the plan now.

 

Wouldn't surprise me.

 

Although if they signed Revere and Moss instead, then I would have guessed right on four free agents in the prediction thread (already got Pearce and Morales). Not that I find that important or anything.........

[wamco]

We can't trade any of our MLB talent because everyone wants SP. We can't trade our prospects because we have a precious few that don't suck

 

Just brig Bautista and Saunders back. Saunders platoons with Upton, Bautista in RF with Pearce and him switching off

 

Pearce

Donaldson

Morales

Bautista

Upton/Saunders

Tulo

Pearce

Martin

Travis

Pillar

 

Pearce is underrated but with his injury history I don't think it would be wise to bat him first and 7th. That's a 1200 ab pace

[Brownie19]

Wouldn't surprise me.

 

Although if they signed Revere and Moss instead, then I would have guessed right on four free agents in the prediction thread (already got Pearce and Morales). Not that I find that important or anything.........

 

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[Governator]

The period after the winter meetings feels so much less exciting.

[RealAccountant]

Pearce is underrated but with his injury history I don't think it would be wise to bat him first and 7th. That's a 1200 ab pace

 

Lmao

[Jonn]

The period after the winter meetings feels so much less exciting.

 

Yea it could be a good month before we see another big move. Kenley will let the Marlins and Dodgers fight over him for awhile. See if they can't get the Nationals in on him as well.

[bowld]

25 man squad

 

7 relievers

5 starters

 

C - Martin

1B - Pearce

2B - Travis

3B - Donaldson

SS -Tulowitzki

LF - Upton / Carrera

CF - Pillar

RF - ?

DH - Morales

 

Bench

Back up catcher

Barney

Smoak

Carrera / Upton

 

Gross. That is a 4th place roster at best. Better pray our pitching staff has another strong year

[Brownie19]

Gross. That is a 4th place roster at best. Better pray our pitching staff has another strong year

 

Checks calendar. Yep. Still December 9th.

[puphood]

Opening day projection without any upgrades

 

Upton LF

Donaldson 3B

Morales DH

Tulo SS

Smoak 1B

Pearce RF

Martin C

Travis 2B

Pillar CF

 

Not good enough by any means. Probably the fourth best lineup in AL East and below average overall

Travis and Pearce are iffy for opening day so it is even worse and get used to fighting TB for cellar.....

[Governator]

Travis and Pearce are iffy for opening day so it is even worse and get used to fighting TB for cellar.....

 

 

Travis is iffy for opening day? I thought they expect him to be ready for Spring Training at full strength

[Brownie19]

Travis is iffy for opening day? I thought they expect him to be ready for Spring Training at full strength

 

Remember who you're talking to Gov...

[RealAccountant]

Travis and Pearce are iffy for opening day so it is even worse and get used to fighting TB for cellar.....

 

Right

 

Opening day lineup

 

Upton

Donaldson

Morales

Tulo

Smoak

Martin

Pillar

Careers

Goins

[SweetSmellingChacin]

I dont like the approach to the offseason so far.

 

Jays should be taking 1 of 2 approaches:

 

1) Spend money and-or trade assets so you can improve yourself enough that you can compete for WS title.

 

or

 

2) Rebuild by trading assets while they are still very valuable (Donaldson, Happ, Estrada etc)

 

 

Instead, it looks they are trying to build a 80-85 win team that will finish 3rd or 4th in the division. Maybe they are just trying to humour everyone right now and they will dump all their assets midseason when they are .500 ball club.

[Krylian]

I dont like the approach to the offseason so far.

 

Jays should be taking 1 of 2 approaches:

 

1) Spend money and-or trade assets so you can improve yourself enough that you can compete for WS title.

 

or

 

2) Rebuild by trading assets while they are still very valuable (Donaldson, Happ, Estrada etc)

 

 

Instead, it looks they are trying to build a 80-85 win team that will finish 3rd or 4th in the division. Maybe they are just trying to humour everyone right now and they will dump all their assets midseason when they are .500 ball club.

 

I hope to god you're wrong...but I fear you may be right.

 

Let's wait until the spring. Whenever I have a bad gut feeling people get all butt hurt and tell me the sky is not falling and to wait...so let's wait and see what roster we have in April.

[SweetSmellingChacin]

I hope to god you're wrong...but I fear you may be right.

 

Let's wait until the spring. Whenever I have a bad gut feeling people get all butt hurt and tell me the sky is not falling and to wait...so let's wait and see what roster we have in April.

 

For sure, it's still early.

 

But unless they sign EE/JB, there aren't big FAs left available that will make a major difference. It also doesn't look like a big trade is coming given they don't have a lot of young assets and they don't want to move guys on their MLB roster.

 

I feel this offseason was the time to go for it one last time or just rebuild. Being an inbetween team sucks.

[Jimcanuck]

For sure, it's still early.

 

But unless they sign EE/JB, there aren't big FAs left available that will make a major difference. It also doesn't look like a big trade is coming given they don't have a lot of young assets and they don't want to move guys on their MLB roster.

 

I feel this offseason was the time to go for it one last time or just rebuild. Being an inbetween team sucks.

 

Indeed and I fear that will be the next few years. Shatkins will build up the farm however they can while fielding a .500 team to keep attendance at a reasonable level. As opposed to a proper rebuild.

 

Assessment is probably the Toronto baseball market is such that attendance will plummet to crazy levels if a Cubs style rebuild was pursued.

[puphood]

Both are off with "projections" of returning. When has this club ever been forthright with player health concerns. I guess you have to hope.

[Brownie19]

Has anyone heard what the market is for Ivan Nova? Much like Happ - Nova was lights out with Pittsburgh last year (1.9 WAR in 11 starts). He'll only be 30 next year, high GB%, low BB%, no draft pick attached and he doesn't seem to be generating a lot of buzz.

 

Could you swoop in and pick him up for 3 years $33M or something?

 

I don't want to trade Stro or Sanchez at all, but I'd love to see what we could get for Happ or Estrada right now.

[burlingtonbandit]

I hope to god you're wrong...but I fear you may be right.

 

Let's wait until the spring. Whenever I have a bad gut feeling people get all butt hurt and tell me the sky is not falling and to wait...so let's wait and see what roster we have in April.

 

Gutting the roster now looks pretty bad towards the fans. Going in with a mid 80s win team and seeing what you have in June-July makes sense. If they are a few Games of the Wildcard come July you blow it up and rebuild for 2018-2019. With the amount of talent they would have to trade you could get a ton of young talent, more than the White Sox even got.

[Ray]

If we don't spend this offseason, the only possible explanation can be that we're going after Shohei Otani in 2018.

[Governator]

If we sign Bautista, he still keeps 10/5 rights correct?