Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Guitar Guy]

Jarrod Dyson + Dexter Fowler + BP Arm = Championship (and elite defensive team)

 

That OF defense would be so nasty...

 

I'd like to have Dyson. What would the Royals want in return?

[bronson44]

That doesn't sound promising

 

[Terminator]

Well s***....

[Governator]

That doesn't sound promising

 

 

Welp

[Abomination]

I wonder what Joe Jimenez would cost from Detroit?

[Jimcanuck]

If the Jays strike out on the better free agents out there, have to seriously look at moving JD for youth.

 

WC in 2016, hard to see that happening in 2017 without suitable replacements for EE and JB. And Jays have been very lucky with SP health the last few seasons, unlikely to continue.

[Blitz]

Cards get Fowler... Now official per SN - f***.

[Laika]

Fangraphs assumes the following age curve for him:

 

So that's wrong?

 

Just to follow up... Here is how ZiPS Dan Szymborki declines WAR and evaluates Fowler. A bit more elegant than Fangraphs. That he goes -0.3 and then 0.2 is probably just a rounding aberration.

 

[Stangstag]

Just to follow up... Here is how ZiPS Dan Szymborki declines WAR and evaluates Fowler. A bit more elegant than Fangraphs. That he goes -0.3 and then 0.2 is probably just a rounding aberration.

 

 

So it looks like the Cards didn't overpay too much, depending on what the final contract actually looks like. 5/85 is a fair deal for him

[burlingtonbandit]

So it looks like the Cards didn't overpay too much, depending on what the final contract actually looks like. 5/85 is a fair deal for him

 

That doesn't include the value of the lost 1st round pick which is roughly $10M I believe.

[JFD]

This is how the best attendance in MLB is rewarded? Pathetic.

[Candy Maldonado]

This is how the best attendance in MLB is rewarded? Pathetic.

 

Best in the AL

[RealAccountant]

This is how the best attendance in MLB is rewarded? Pathetic.

 

Dont forget the TV number

 

Oh wait canadian viewer is worth nothing despite having a higher earning power

[Laika]

That doesn't include the value of the lost 1st round pick which is roughly $10M I believe.

 

Yes if it's a $90M contract then they potentially overpaid by about $20M in total value. But whatever.

[RealAccountant]

I wonder why Jay Bruce isn't a Bluejay yet. Shatkins have been after him for a while. Mets probably want an asset

[Jonn]

Fans mad because we didn't grossly overpay Fowler lol.

[Pendleton]

Fans mad because we didn't grossly overpay Fowler lol.

 

The contract itself is big, and then who knows how much we would have needed to add on top of that to get him here to play RF.

 

Fowler would have been a perfect fit for us, but we weren't a perfect fit for him. On to the next one, hopefully not Bruce.

[Ray]

Trade for Jarrod Dyson (or sign Moss to platoon with Upton) for LF. And at this point, I would seriously consider resigning Bautista. 3/55 with an opt-out after the first year. Its gonna pain me to watch his fielding and his base running, but I guarantee you he'll provide value for us still. Hope he puts up another 2015 season.

 

I wonder why Jay Bruce isn't a Bluejay yet. Shatkins have been after him for a while. Mets probably want an asset

 

Shatkins probably thought Bruce was a salary dump. They thought they could pull the same type of deal they could for Upton. Not the case. Mets renewed his contract for a reason. They want something from him. But they're gonna have to move him since they resigned Cespedes. We might be the only ones willing to deal at this point.

[Bobthe4th]

25 man squad

 

7 relievers

5 starters

 

C - Martin

1B - Pearce

2B - Travis

3B - Donaldson

SS -Tulowitzki

LF - Upton / Carrera

CF - Pillar

RF - ?

DH - Morales

 

Bench

Back up catcher

Barney

Smoak

Carrera / Upton

[Bobthe4th]

Ideally we'd get rid of Smoak and have Bautista replace him on either a one year deal or no more than 3 years with an opt out.

 

That would mean Bautista can cover both 1B and the OF, and allow the 25th man to be another outfielder (Revere?) rather than it being Smoak, who can only play 1B and isn't very good.

[Abomination]

So here's a quick list of OF capable trade targets who could MAYBE be reasonably available and worth looking at.

 

Curtis Granderson (15M, plus hitter, probably average defensively, probably cost a good prospect or more in trade. Projected at 1.4 WAR, but I'd take the over on that.)

Howie Kendrick (10M, great versatility, above average outfielder defensively. Projected at 1.4 WAR, but likely higher as a full time outfielder. Potentially excellent trade target.)

Andrew McCutchen (14M, best remaining known available bat by far. Price probably too high to acquire him. Projected at 3.4 WAR).

Billy Hamilton (ARB, incredible defense and SB, walk rate is increasing. Price likely to be high. Projected at 1.5 WAR, but that's probably just about his worst case floor. Can anyone say 2 man outfield?)

Andre Ethier (17.5M. Unclear how available he is, but rumors seem to suggest Dodgers could look to trade him or Puig. They'd have to eat some money. Hits for average, some pop, average defensively. Basically Reddick, but a few years older.

Yasiel Puig (8.214M. Unclear how available he is, rumors are there though. Huge potential, projected at 3 WAR, potential makeup issues, probably costly to trade for).

Charlie Blackmon (ARB. Probably a league average player, although has some upside beyond that. Hits lefties and righties well. Trade cost high).

Carlos Gonzalez (20M, good power, significant home/road splits. May only be average away from Coors. Rockies would have to eat money)

Melky Cabrera (15M, horrible defense, decent bat, very low k rate. Projected at 1 WAR. When he's good, he's probably worth the salary. When he's bad, ouch.

Jarrod Dyson (ARB, great defense, great speed. Gets on base enough to use his wheels, low strikeouts. Excellent trade target.)

Seth Smith (7M, well above average bat if you keep him away from lefties. Defense last year might be smaller sample size or a bigger problem)

 

Other probably not so good options:

 

Jay Bruce (Decent but not great bat, defense probably gives back all the value, did not perform well after leaving Cincy.)

Ryan Rua (Rangers will probably keep him as 1B and Choo insurance this year. May or may not suck anyway).

Tommy Pham (Likely roughly average offensively and defensively, Cards may not have room to carry him).

Jordan Patterson (Rockies may look to trade Cargo or Blackmon and keep Patterson, but picking up Desmond makes him potentially expendable. Always managed to hit a bit, improved walk rate last year)

 

Feel free to add other guys.

[ChrisS]

What would it take to land Billy Hamilton or Jarrod Dyson?

[Bobthe4th]

What would it take to land Billy Hamilton or Jarrod Dyson?

 

Hamilton would be overpriced as the Reds value him highly, Dyson would be much easier to obtain though only one year of control.

[Abomination]

What would it take to land Billy Hamilton or Jarrod Dyson?

 

Hamilton would likely be expensive, but Dyson only has one year left and KC is crazy. Cost for Dyson could be a B grade prospect, or there could be a lot of competition that pushes it high.

[Bobthe4th]

The remaining free agent options for OF if we fail to sign Bautista are pretty poor:

 

Austin Jackson

Ben Revere

Gregor Blanco

Angel Pagan

Chris Coghlan

Colby Rasmus

Nolan Reimold

Michael Saunders

 

I'm not sure any of these are a significant upgrade on Upton or Carrera.

[Bobthe4th]

I really, really hope that we're not even considering Trumbo as a 1B/OF alternative to Bautista.

[Abomination]

The remaining free agent options for OF if we fail to sign Bautista are pretty poor:

 

Austin Jackson

Ben Revere

Gregor Blanco

Angel Pagan

Chis Coghlan

Colby Rasmus

Nolan Reimold

Michael Saunders

 

I'm not sure any of these are a significant upgrade on Upton or Carrera.

 

Also Moss. Moss and Coghlan are probably clear or likely upgrades, Saunders may depend on his health. Revere could be mildly interesting.

[Bobthe4th]

Also Moss. Moss and Coghlan are probably clear or likely upgrades, Saunders may depend on his health. Revere could be mildly interesting.

 

What happened to Coghlan last year? -0.5 WAR

 

I missed Brandon Moss - thought he'd signed somewhere. He's probably the best on that list, which isn't saying much.

[RealAccountant]

This regime has no problem running Upton put there everyday

[RealAccountant]

Opening day projection without any upgrades

 

Upton LF

Donaldson 3B

Morales DH

Tulo SS

Smoak 1B

Pearce RF

Martin C

Travis 2B

Pillar CF

 

Not good enough by any means. Probably the fourth best lineup in AL East and below average overall