Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Brownie19]

if we are considering getting Reddick then we need to consider the cost of acquiring Cargo as well.

 

Good point. Neither are great hitters (wRC+ in the 110 range), their base running value is eroding, as is their defense. Would you rather have:

 

1. CarGo for 1 year $20M + possibility of a draft pick from a QO.........while giving up a couple mid-level prospects.

 

or

 

2. Reddick for 4 years $64-68M.

 

 

I acknowledge this scenario is unlikely as I do expect COL thinks they can get a lot more for CarGo based on name alone.

[wk680]

Martín de Azpilcueta invented the concept of Time Value of Money

 

He is rolling in his grave listening to you f***ing clowns talk

 

Would you care to elaborate on how you see this concept pertaining to the Jays' roster needs and associated payroll expenditures for 2017 and beyond? Or are you thinking more about how this relates to COL?

 

What I am seeing is a lot of money invested in veterans like Tulo, Martin, Donaldson, Estrada, Happ, and Liriano for 2017. And there appears to be a small window of opportunity to go all in for 2017 by adding a couple more proven impact players. Is EE the answer? Is CarGo part of the answer? Is sitting on your cash instead of investing in more aging veterans and building toward the future, with the possibility of overachieving in 2017 (like Indians did this season), the way to go?

 

At least with a CarGo, you are only on the hook for 1 year and can QO him (as Brownie mentioned) if you trade for him before the season starts.

Edited October 31, 2016 by wk680
correction

[burlingtonbandit]

Yes. I'm pretty sure it was reported that they had budget room in 2016 and chose to use the money this way to save room on the 2017 budget. Hopefully someone can find the article.

 

Blue Jays are paying Upton only 1 Million for 2017. Remember reading an article that stated that.

[Abomination]

I wouldn't mind us taking a shot at picking up Singleton from Houston. He has very little value atm, but a change in scenery may get him fixed. High walk rates and acceptable K rates, just seems to have some contact issues.

[BTS]

I wouldn't mind us taking a shot at picking up Singleton from Houston. He has very little value atm, but a change in scenery may get him fixed. High walk rates and acceptable K rates, just seems to have some contact issues.

 

^

 

owns Singleton?

[baubau]

I wouldn't mind us taking a shot at picking up Singleton from Houston. He has very little value atm, but a change in scenery may get him fixed. High walk rates and acceptable K rates, just seems to have some contact issues.

 

Considering what the Astros gave up for Giles, Osuna should be fair. Have em' throw that Martes or Tucker guy too!

 

On a serious note, after reliving the Giles trade, I did not realize how big of a disappointment Mark Appel is becoming.

[Abomination]

Considering what the Astros gave up for Giles, Osuna should be fair. Have em' throw that Martes or Tucker guy too!

 

On a serious note, after reliving the Giles trade, I did not realize how big of a disappointment Mark Appel is becoming.

 

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if the bone spur surgery makes a difference or not. One thing about guys with great stuff, is that they can only be a tweak away from taking off. Hopefully he figures it out.

[Grant77]

While we're on the topic of NL West trade targets, how much would David Peralta cost? He's 29 and coming off an injury riddled season and the D-Backs may prefer to give Mitch Haniger or Chris Owings a shot in LF. Alex Dickerson is also an intriguing option if the Padres don't put a huge price tag on him.

[Terminator]

While we're on the topic of NL West trade targets, how much would David Peralta cost? He's 29 and coming off an injury riddled season and the D-Backs may prefer to give Mitch Haniger or Chris Owings a shot in LF. Alex Dickerson is also an intriguing option if the Padres don't put a huge price tag on him.

 

Both good suggestions. Question is what would they want? And in a year where there seems to be a ton of okay corner OF options I'd hate to give up anything of value.

[burlingtonbandit]

Tough since he's in the division but I'd check in on Swihart. Maybe DD doesn't value him as much as the previous regime and since there really isn't a spot in the lineup for him maybe they move him.

 

He'd be nice as a versatile player that could catch and play OF. I still believe in the bat.

[Grant77]

Both good suggestions. Question is what would they want? And in a year where there seems to be a ton of okay corner OF options I'd hate to give up anything of value.

 

It's hard to say what direction the Diamondbacks will go with their new front office. You would think that an advanced pitching prospect like Greene or Harris would get them talking about Peralta. I think the Padres would be willing to consider more long term, high risk prospects.

[Laika]

Yazl Pweeg plz

[Terminator]

Yazl Pweeg plz

 

I would definitely take him. Wonder how much he'd cost.

[closetjaysfan]

Now isn't the time to trade Stroman. His value was sky high after 2015 but it has definitely taken a dive after this season

 

I dunno about that... He just came off an injury where he missed most of the season, despite playing well at the end of the season there were serious questions about how he would hold up this year. His arm didnt fall off this year but he wasnt what we really hoped for either. 2015-2016 are a wash.

[Laika]

I would definitely take him. Wonder how much he'd cost.

 

They can have Osuna and Pompey!

[glory]

I would definitely take him. Wonder how much he'd cost.

 

Yeah Puig makes sense. He's young and has a couple of cheap years of control left.

[Laika]

Bud Norris is a must-sign for me this offseason and I'm not even kidding. The profit potential is off the charts.

 

Just stick him in the pen from day 1 and watch the surplus value roll in.

 

$/WAR World Series here we come

[King]

Now isn't the time to trade Stroman. His value was sky high after 2015 but it has definitely taken a dive after this season

 

Stroman was exactly what I expected him to be this season just with a bloated ERA. ~7.5 K/9, ~2.5 BB/9, 50-60% GB

[Brownie19]

While we're on the topic of NL West trade targets, how much would David Peralta cost? He's 29 and coming off an injury riddled season and the D-Backs may prefer to give Mitch Haniger or Chris Owings a shot in LF. Alex Dickerson is also an intriguing option if the Padres don't put a huge price tag on him.

 

I like it. Wonder what AJ Pollock would cost. He's that low K%, versatile hitter with speed that we need

[Frenchsoup]

Bud Norris is a must-sign for me this offseason and I'm not even kidding. The profit potential is off the charts.

 

Just stick him in the pen from day 1 and watch the surplus value roll in.

 

$/WAR World Series here we come

 

Bud Norris is a little bitch

[Grant77]

I like it. Wonder what AJ Pollock would cost. He's that low K%, versatile hitter with speed that we need

 

I think he would cost a king's ransom considering he's a year removed from a serious run at MVP. I'm mostly interested in trading for a reasonably good corner OF (2-3 WAR) that we can control without giving up huge prospect haul. Easier said that done, but it would free us up to bring back a big bat and still have some payroll to tinker with bullpen.

[Laika]

One guy to trade for from every team (maybe two).

 

Ryan Buchter

Andrew Chafin

Jake McGee

Ray Black

Yasiel Puig

 

Billy Hamilton (Joey Votto)

Corey Knebel

Juan Nicasio (Cutch!)

Tommy Pham

Justin Grimm

 

Chris Withrow

Andrew Knapp

Derek Dietrich

Josh Smoker

Blake Treinin (Wilmer Difo)

 

Dillon Overton

Kole Calhoun

Preston Tucker (Josh Fields)

Evan Scribner

Joey Gallo (Ryan Cordell)

 

Trevor May!

Zach Duke

Matt Strahm

JD Martinez! (Shane Greene)

Trevor Bauer (just kidding)

 

I guess I won't bother with the AL East because trades won't happen.

[Frenchsoup]

So "overpay for Calhoun and Votto on the trade market and overpay the loveable EE and all is right with the world? O and also grab Hank Conger for a 3 year 12 mill deal. O and Carlos Torres if Milwaukee doesn't qualify.

[GD]

i am really f***ing bored

 

Yangervis Solarte

Rubby De La Rosa

Chad Bettis

Mike Broadway

Adam Liberatore (Yimi Garcia)

 

John Lamb

Jacob Barnes

John Jaso

Matt Adams (Tyler Lyons)

Chris Coghlan

 

John Gant

Edubray Ramos

Brad Hand

Fernando Salas (Eric Campbell)

Oliver Perez

 

Bruce Maxwell III (Andrew Triggs)

Mike Morin

James Hoyt

Chris Iannetta (Leonys Martin)

Robinson Chirinos (Dario Alvarez)

 

Tyler Duffey

Jason Coats (Tommy Kahnle)

Alex Gordon

Justin Upton

cheaper of Yan Gomes/Roberto Perez (Mike Clevenger)

[burlingtonbandit]

They can have Osuna and Pompey!

 

Not a chance I'd trade Osuna for Puig straight up. Could get a lot more on the open market if you were to dangle him, can't see him getting traded though.

[King]

Blue Jays notes from MLBTR

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/10/blue-jays-notes-saunders-encarnacion-bautista-free-agent-targets.html

 

The Blue Jays are about to embark upon an interesting offseason in which three key offensive producers — first baseman/DH Edwin Encarnacion, right fielder Jose Bautista, and left fielder Michael Saunders — will qualify for free agency. Their situations have been the subject of much analysis and debate, but we’ll soon begin to receive some clarity with qualifying offers due to be made (and either accepted or denied) shortly after the end of the World Series.

 

Here’s the latest on those positions out of Toronto:

 

- Despite indications that the Jays are still weighing the issuance of a QO to Saunders, a rival executive tells Jon Heyman of Fan Rag that there’s “no chance” that happens. We’ll learn soon enough what direction that situation is headed in, but Saunders’s marginal second half makes the one-year, $17.2MM offer seem like a rather lofty outlay.

 

- Toronto may now be more inclined to push to retain Encarnacion than Bautista, Heyman adds, noting that the preference for the younger slugger perhaps represents a change of position from the organization. Encarnacion certainly outproduced Bautista in 2016, though that also figures to elevate his market standing. Regardless, odds are that the Blue Jays will need to compete with the rest of the league to land either player, as both are expected to decline the QO.

 

- Ultimately, the Jays have several bat-first roster spots in flux — both corner outfield positions, first base, and the DH slot. The overriding mandate, Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca writes, is “to get more athletic, flexible and balanced in the batting order.” There are certainly some pieces on hand to assist in that regard, including the left-handed-hitting Ezequiel Carrera and righty swingers Melvin Upton Jr. and Chris Colabello. Young switch-hitter Dalton Pompey could also factor in, though he has yet to put it all together in the upper minors. Clearly, though, there’s room for additions (or, perhaps, re-acquisitions).

 

- Toronto will be able to look to a reasonably robust market in filling these voids. According to Davidi, the club has interest in the switch-hitting Dexter Fowler, who could add a significant on-base threat to the top of the order while playing left field (and, perhaps, also stepping in from time to time for light-hitting center fielder Kevin Pillar). There’s certainly reason to believe the Jays would be well-served to add an everyday player to their lineup given the number of areas that will need to be addressed. Ian Desmond is another, quite different player who the team is expected to contact, per Davidi. Though he’s a greater home run threat than is Fowler, he’s also inconsistent in the on-base department. As Davidi notes, though, the converted shortstop could also provide some insurance against an injury to infielder Troy Tulowitzki.

 

- Alternatively, or perhaps additionally, the Jays could look at some players who are somewhat more limited and may require platoon partners. The club is said to have some interest in Josh Reddick, who hits from the left side and could be paired with Upton — though he figures to be fairly expensive for a player who ought to be limited mostly to facing right-handed pitching. Brandon Moss and even former Blue Jay Colby Rasmus could represent more budget-friendly, southpaw-swinging options, Davidi suggests. And there are a variety of other, presumably reasonably-priced players with solid offensive chops (but also plenty of limitations) who’ll be available.

 

- That’s all before getting to the trade market, of course, which could offer some interesting possibilities. Davidi indicates that the Jays are likely to “work on parallel fronts” to open possibilities with a variety of combinations of players. GM Ross Atkins recently suggested that the club will remain flexible as the offseason progresses. “I think it’s a matter of being transparent as you are considering your alternatives,” he said. “So it would be something as simple as letting others know that you’re weighing alternatives as you make these certain offers.”

 

- It’s worth bearing in mind the role that financial considerations will play in dictating the course for the Jays. The team has never reached the $140MM line in Opening Day salary, and is already approaching $120MM in 2017 commitments after accounting for a few arbitration cases and the option over reliever Jason Grilli. Those obligations fall off quite a bit in the years that follow, so backloading salary could be a possibility, but one truly significant expenditure (say, Encarnacion) or a few quality veteran additions would leave Toronto without much wiggle room to address other needs — barring, perhaps, a payroll increase.

[Brownie19]

Josh Fields is in LA now isn't he? Still love him as a target though. Good job NJH and GD.

[Sammy225]

Blue Jays notes from MLBTR

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/10/blue-jays-notes-saunders-encarnacion-bautista-free-agent-targets.html

 

The Blue Jays are about to embark upon an interesting offseason in which three key offensive producers — first baseman/DH Edwin Encarnacion, right fielder Jose Bautista, and left fielder Michael Saunders — will qualify for free agency. Their situations have been the subject of much analysis and debate, but we’ll soon begin to receive some clarity with qualifying offers due to be made (and either accepted or denied) shortly after the end of the World Series.

 

Here’s the latest on those positions out of Toronto:

 

- Despite indications that the Jays are still weighing the issuance of a QO to Saunders, a rival executive tells Jon Heyman of Fan Rag that there’s “no chance” that happens. We’ll learn soon enough what direction that situation is headed in, but Saunders’s marginal second half makes the one-year, $17.2MM offer seem like a rather lofty outlay.

 

- Toronto may now be more inclined to push to retain Encarnacion than Bautista, Heyman adds, noting that the preference for the younger slugger perhaps represents a change of position from the organization. Encarnacion certainly outproduced Bautista in 2016, though that also figures to elevate his market standing. Regardless, odds are that the Blue Jays will need to compete with the rest of the league to land either player, as both are expected to decline the QO.

 

- Ultimately, the Jays have several bat-first roster spots in flux — both corner outfield positions, first base, and the DH slot. The overriding mandate, Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca writes, is “to get more athletic, flexible and balanced in the batting order.” There are certainly some pieces on hand to assist in that regard, including the left-handed-hitting Ezequiel Carrera and righty swingers Melvin Upton Jr. and Chris Colabello. Young switch-hitter Dalton Pompey could also factor in, though he has yet to put it all together in the upper minors. Clearly, though, there’s room for additions (or, perhaps, re-acquisitions).

 

- Toronto will be able to look to a reasonably robust market in filling these voids. According to Davidi, the club has interest in the switch-hitting Dexter Fowler, who could add a significant on-base threat to the top of the order while playing left field (and, perhaps, also stepping in from time to time for light-hitting center fielder Kevin Pillar). There’s certainly reason to believe the Jays would be well-served to add an everyday player to their lineup given the number of areas that will need to be addressed. Ian Desmond is another, quite different player who the team is expected to contact, per Davidi. Though he’s a greater home run threat than is Fowler, he’s also inconsistent in the on-base department. As Davidi notes, though, the converted shortstop could also provide some insurance against an injury to infielder Troy Tulowitzki.

 

- Alternatively, or perhaps additionally, the Jays could look at some players who are somewhat more limited and may require platoon partners. The club is said to have some interest in Josh Reddick, who hits from the left side and could be paired with Upton — though he figures to be fairly expensive for a player who ought to be limited mostly to facing right-handed pitching. Brandon Moss and even former Blue Jay Colby Rasmus could represent more budget-friendly, southpaw-swinging options, Davidi suggests. And there are a variety of other, presumably reasonably-priced players with solid offensive chops (but also plenty of limitations) who’ll be available.

 

- That’s all before getting to the trade market, of course, which could offer some interesting possibilities. Davidi indicates that the Jays are likely to “work on parallel fronts” to open possibilities with a variety of combinations of players. GM Ross Atkins recently suggested that the club will remain flexible as the offseason progresses. “I think it’s a matter of being transparent as you are considering your alternatives,” he said. “So it would be something as simple as letting others know that you’re weighing alternatives as you make these certain offers.”

 

- It’s worth bearing in mind the role that financial considerations will play in dictating the course for the Jays. The team has never reached the $140MM line in Opening Day salary, and is already approaching $120MM in 2017 commitments after accounting for a few arbitration cases and the option over reliever Jason Grilli. Those obligations fall off quite a bit in the years that follow, so backloading salary could be a possibility, but one truly significant expenditure (say, Encarnacion) or a few quality veteran additions would leave Toronto without much wiggle room to address other needs — barring, perhaps, a payroll increase.

 

I can't really see Reddick signing for Platoon outfielder type money. He was not very good the last half of the season but he had a great first half and you would think that someone would make a bigger gamble on him to be a full time guy... Dexter would cost us a pick which is not terrible depending on the contract... Would love to have a good platoon option to go with Upton for LF/RF (not named Carrera).

[Brownie19]

I can't really see Reddick signing for Platoon outfielder type money. He was not very good the last half of the season but he had a great first half and you would think that someone would make a bigger gamble on him to be a full time guy... Dexter would cost us a pick which is not terrible depending on the contract... Would love to have a good platoon option to go with Upton for LF/RF (not named Carrera).

 

He has a career wRC+ of 78 vs. LHP, including wRC+'s of 3, 84 and 57 over the past 3 years (yes....wRC+ of 3 vs. LHP in 2016). Given this - along with the reality that his base running and defensive value continues to erode, I think you'd have to be incredibly short-sighted to pay him as, and expect him to be a full-time player.

 

That said - he's still a very strong player on the strong side of the platoon. Platoon's are much more accepted and used in this day in age, so it will be interesting just to see what the market for a LH platoon bat is.

[Sammy225]

He has a career wRC+ of 78 vs. LHP, including wRC+'s of 3, 84 and 57 over the past 3 years (yes....wRC+ of 3 vs. LHP in 2016). Given this - along with the reality that his base running and defensive value continues to erode, I think you'd have to be incredibly short-sighted to pay him as, and expect him to be a full-time player.

 

That said - he's still a very strong player on the strong side of the platoon. Platoon's are much more accepted and used in this day in age, so it will be interesting just to see what the market for a LH platoon bat is.

 

Moss is an interesting name when it comes to platoons..... He has was over .300 OPS against righties..... Could be a cheap option.... Not very familiar with his OF defense