Buck Fired Prediction Thread

[Jimcanuck]

Important poll.

[Dick_Pole]

Never. We need him to stay in Baltimore like a circus needs its clown.

[RealAccountant]

Yeah and why didn't he ask his offense to score some runs

 

Give me a f***ing break. It was a horrible decision but the guys managing got a team with virtually no MLB caliber starters into the post season

[Pendleton]

I don't think he'll be fired

[Terminator]

I don't think he will fired. After the dust settles they'll see that he's gotten a pretty mediocre core (as far as repeat playoff teams go) to the playoffs several times now.

 

What an absolutely horrible game by him though.

[TheHurl]

As long as they send Tabby packing too

[SweetSmellingChacin]

Os should look on the bright side, they might have a Cy Young winner this season.

[Krylian]

Looking at the results, it doesn't appear to be that important.

[Boxcar]

Looking at the results, it doesn't appear to be that important.

 

I just think Baltimore's FO is too stupid and complacent to replace the great Buck Showalter.

[CHRIS]

I am still stunned that Showalter didn't use Britton.

 

I am also stunned that there could possibly be anyone defending his bullpen usage.

[BTS]

It's actually pretty tough to argue that Buck should be fired. The players seem to really like him, and he's held the room together well enough to have a long stretch of success with a mediocre team. He made a very bad, terrible sequence of decisions yesterday though.

[KingKat]

Os should look on the bright side, they might have a Cy Young winner this season.

 

Oh I'm totally rooting for him to win now. The irony would just be too rich.

[KingKat]

It's actually pretty tough to argue that Buck should be fired. The players seem to really like him, and he's held the room together well enough to have a long stretch of success with a mediocre team. He made a very bad, terrible sequence of decisions yesterday though.

 

Comes down to whether you believe in the single fire-able offense or not. If you believe that a single bone headed decision in a big game can be enough to cancel out all other good faith than you just had that moment with Buck.

 

It's not cut and dry for me. A lot of it depends on the players. Britton was reportedly livid. If enough players feels the same way, Buck loses the dressing room and maybe he does have to go.

[Dr. Dinger]

I kinda feel bad for Buck, he showed class at the press conference afterwards. This is going to be a black mark on his career.

[RealAccountant]

I just think Baltimore's FO is too stupid and complacent to replace the great Buck Showalter.

 

Best record in American league over the last 5 years is just a fluke

[BigCecil]

I kinda feel bad for Buck, he showed class at the press conference afterwards. This is going to be a black mark on his career.

 

I agree with you. I cant stand him but thought his PC was dignified and straight up. The argument that he is "dammed if you do dammed if you don't" with burning Britton earlier or not is partially true.

 

But using Britton without the lead in key situation and maybe giving up a lead later vs saving him for a lead they didn't get is vastly more defensible.

HE would still get heat from dumbasses, but much less so.

[BTS]

I agree with you. I cant stand him but thought his PC was dignified and straight up. The argument that he is "dammed if you do dammed if you don't" with burning Britton earlier or not is partially true.

 

But using Britton without the lead in key situation and maybe giving up a lead later vs saving him for a lead they didn't get is vastly more defensible.

HE would still get heat from dumbasses, but much less so.

 

The reality is that there wasn't going to be a higher leverage situation than going through the heart of the order in the bottom of the 11th of a tie game. Especially when runners were on base. The leverage of that situation dwarfs the leverage of a 1-run save situation. It was a truly terrible decision.

[KingKat]

The reality is that there wasn't going to be a higher leverage situation than going through the heart of the order in the bottom of the 11th of a tie game. Especially when runners were on base. The leverage of that situation dwarfs the leverage of a 1-run save situation. It was a truly terrible decision.

 

It was really weird and he didn't have a defense for the decision. He said "being on the road" was a factor but not putting your closer in unless you have the lead on the road is just a convention. He didn't seem to have any actual rationale for doing it other than following the convention. Didn't seem like he measured the pros and cons at all. This is guy who is trumpeted as a great baseball mind but his actions suggest he didn't use his mind at all. Makes you wonder about these baseball managers. How many just default to "the book" whenever possible rather than make actual decisions and measure pros and cons on the spot?

 

We sure didn't see a lot of out of the box thinking last night. Showalter should have turned it into a bullpen game much sooner. Tillman didn't look sharp. He was really dodging bullets out there and Showalter could have brought in all those same guys he ended up using a little sooner and used them as bridge to Britton. He practically gifted the second Jays run. He manages that differently and the O's probably win the game 2-1.

 

Gibbons was highly orthodox too. He played with fire letting Stroman in a third time through the order but he seemed committed to managing this like a regular game and going to his bullpen instead of piggy-backing Stroman and Liriano. Since the new norm is for Biagini and Cecil to share the 7th, he needed 6 out of Stroman, times through the order be damned.

Edited October 5, 2016 by KingKat

[glory]

The O's have made the playoffs in 3 of the last 5 years with a roster that looks mediocre as hell practically every year. Buck was s*** last night but I could understand why they keep him around.

[BTS]

It was really weird and he didn't have a defense for the decision. He said "being on the road" was a factor but not putting your closer in unless you have the lead on the road is just a convention. He didn't seem to have any actual rationale for doing it other than following the convention. Didn't seem like he measured the pros and cons at all. This is guy who is trumpeted as a great baseball mind but his actions suggest he didn't use his mind at all. Makes you wonder about these baseball managers. How many just default to "the book" whenever possible rather than make actual decisions and measure pros and cons on the spot?

 

We sure didn't see a lot of out of the box thinking last night. Showalter should have turned it into a bullpen game much sooner. Tillman didn't look sharp. He was really dodging bullets out there and Showalter could have brought in all those same guys he ended up using a little sooner and used them as bridge to Britton. He practically gifted the second Jays run. He manages that differently and the O's probably win the game 2-1.

 

Gibbons was highly orthodox too. He played with fire letting Stroman in a third time through the order but he seemed committed to managing this like a regular game and going to his bullpen instead of piggy-backing Stroman and Liriano. Since the new norm if for Biagini and Cecil to share the 7th, he needed 6 out of Stroman, times through the order be damned.

 

I remember commenting on this in the GDT. Nobody will criticize him for it, because most managers probably would have done the same thing, but leaving Tillman out there for the 5th inning was not rational at all. I think everyone recognizes that Tillman is a worse pitcher than Givens, Brach, O'Day, and Britton. He managed to get you through 4 innings with a 1-run lead, which meant that he had carried you just far enough that your horses in the bullpen could close it out. Take him out, and let the better, fresher arms finish things off.

 

Everyone is talking about how being a slave to the save cost him, but being a slave to the win is the only reason he was in the extra innings game in the first place. I think we all know that if Tillman gets through 5 and puts himself in line for the W, he was finished.

[CHRIS]

We sure didn't see a lot of out of the box thinking last night.

 

I was also pretty stoked to see Reimold pinch hit for Kim. If I weren't really, really, lazy, I'd find the Mr. Burns-pulling-Strawberry meme.

[BigCecil]

I agree with you. I cant stand him but thought his PC was dignified and straight up. The argument that he is "dammed if you do dammed if you don't" with burning Britton earlier or not is partially true.

 

But using Britton without the lead in key situation and maybe giving up a lead later vs saving him for a lead they didn't get is vastly more defensible.

HE would still get heat from dumbasses, but much less so.

 

The reality is that there wasn't going to be a higher leverage situation than going through the heart of the order in the bottom of the 11th of a tie game. Especially when runners were on base. The leverage of that situation dwarfs the leverage of a 1-run save situation. It was a truly terrible decision.

 

That's what I said. You said it better and more succinctly. Buck's decision was a monumental fail, even if Britton gives it up. There is nobody sensible who would chastise him for using the guy that got them there.

[admin]

It was really weird and he didn't have a defense for the decision. He said "being on the road" was a factor but not putting your closer in unless you have the lead on the road is just a convention. He didn't seem to have any actual rationale for doing it other than following the convention. Didn't seem like he measured the pros and cons at all. This is guy who is trumpeted as a great baseball mind but his actions suggest he didn't use his mind at all. Makes you wonder about these baseball managers. How many just default to "the book" whenever possible rather than make actual decisions and measure pros and cons on the spot?

 

We sure didn't see a lot of out of the box thinking last night. Showalter should have turned it into a bullpen game much sooner. Tillman didn't look sharp. He was really dodging bullets out there and Showalter could have brought in all those same guys he ended up using a little sooner and used them as bridge to Britton. He practically gifted the second Jays run. He manages that differently and the O's probably win the game 2-1.

 

Gibbons was highly orthodox too. He played with fire letting Stroman in a third time through the order but he seemed committed to managing this like a regular game and going to his bullpen instead of piggy-backing Stroman and Liriano. Since the new norm is for Biagini and Cecil to share the 7th, he needed 6 out of Stroman, times through the order be damned.

 

Gotta give Gibbons credit. As much as I dislike his decisions, he made great choices the whole game. I expected them to go right to Liriano though. The bullpen management was so unlike Gibbons I wonder if he was getting some help lol.

[Sammy225]

Gotta give Gibbons credit. As much as I dislike his decisions, he made great choices the whole game. I expected them to go right to Liriano though. The bullpen management was so unlike Gibbons I wonder if he was getting some help lol.

 

I know i was scared that Stroman was going to come out for the 7th but he played it absolutely perfect. Didn't leave anyone in longer then he was supposed to it was like someone else was managing the team.

[admin]

I know i was scared that Stroman was going to come out for the 7th but he played it absolutely perfect. Didn't leave anyone in longer then he was supposed to it was like someone else was managing the team.

 

Exactly. ANd props for taking out Osuna. Looked like he wanted to stay in, but Gibbons made sure to take care of him.

[Dick_Pole]

Loving the rigged anonymous poll results. 87 of 91 votes saying no lol

[Dr. Dinger]

Loving the rigged anonymous poll results. 87 of 91 votes saying no lol

 

Rigged how? Maybe most people just don't think his entire body of work should be weighed less than one poor decision. He still got his team to the playoffs, I don't think most managers should be fired when that happens.

[Bobthe4th]

I think if they decide to blow up the team and try to change their home run or bust philosophy then he might be let go. Otherwise no chance, he's likely a top 3 candidate for AL manager of the year (votes will already have been cast and only relate to regular season).

[Bobthe4th]

Indefensible decision to not use your best reliever, but overall body of work has been successful.

[Dick_Pole]

Rigged how? Maybe most people just don't think his entire body of work should be weighed less than one poor decision. He still got his team to the playoffs, I don't think most managers should be fired when that happens.

 

Just saying, 91 votes and pretty much unanimous (now 95). Whether you agree with the decision or not (I voted he won't be as well), it really does have a Putin feel to it. Like some butthurt Orioles fans trolling the board or something. That, or the consensus is that jimcanuck started a really awful poll.