Jays to go with six-man rotation for the time being

[reedjohnsonfan]

Gregor Chisholm ‏@gregorMLB 4m4 minutes ago

#BlueJays are going with a six-man rotation for the time being. Atkins said Liriano and the rest of rotation signed off on the move.

 

Looks like they want Sanchez to stay in the rotation for the foreseeable future. Estrada has had some back problems this year (which could resurface) so it's a good idea to give him some rest. None of the other 4 are clearly big enough upgrades over each other at the moment so I think it's a good move.

[JFD]

lame

[thatoneguy]

lame

 

Care to offer more than this?

[Krylian]

Not a big fan. I understand why they're doing it, especially with the added Estrada back issue, but I my gut is telling me the extra day between starts is gonna mess with some of the starters.

[43211234]

Ehhh.

 

whatever I guess.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Not a big fan. I understand why they're doing it, especially with the added Estrada back issue, but I my gut is telling me the extra day between starts is gonna mess with some of the starters.

 

How likely is it to mess with some of the starters? You'd think they would be more likely to benefit from it. Starters rest 6 days (or more) many times throughout the season with off days/rain outs etc so it shouldn't be a problem.

[Krylian]

How likely is it to mess with some of the starters? You'd think they would be more likely to benefit from it. Starters rest 6 days (or more) many times throughout the season with off days/rain outs etc so it shouldn't be a problem.

 

Sinker ball pitchers tend to do better with less rest than more, historically. What I've always heard is that the extra day gives them more juice, and because of it the Sinker flattens out a bit. That being said, if there is some truth to it, the most likely to be negatively affected are Sanchez and Stroman.

[wamco]

Makes a lot of sense given the personnel. Let's not pretend happ is some horse

[The Cats Ass]

Sinker ball pitchers tend to do better with less rest than more, historically. What I've always heard is that the extra day gives them more juice, and because of it the Sinker flattens out a bit. That being said, if there is some truth to it, the most likely to be negatively affected are Sanchez and Stroman.

 

For his career Sanchez has pitched better with 5 days of rest over 4 days.

 

Stroman has pitched worse. Even though he struck out slightly more batters, his walk rate was almost 1.5 times higher.

 

These are small sample sizes though.

 

Sanchez = 16 starts on 4 days, 9 starts on 5 days

Stroman = 21 starts on 4 days, 14 starts on 5 days

[JFD]

Care to offer more than this?

 

Nope

[Cyborg]

Sinker ball pitchers tend to do better with less rest than more, historically. What I've always heard is that the extra day gives them more juice, and because of it the Sinker flattens out a bit. That being said, if there is some truth to it, the most likely to be negatively affected are Sanchez and Stroman.

 

This doesnt make any sense lol. More rest and power = less movement?

[Seanie]

Weird. But good move keeping Sanchez in the rotation. The potential reward is worth the 1-3% (or whatever) increase in a injury risk for Sanchez. This is our last year, potentially, with Edwin, Bats, Saunders.

[glory]

I don't think anything has changed. Sanchez will be in the rotation for a few more starts before they make the change. They are probably doing it to give Liriano some time to see how he does.

[jaysblue]

I like this six man rotation for now.

Can pass over ra dickey ever chance they get

 

I agree Todd. A 6 Man rotation means less of Dickey.

[GD]

This doesnt make any sense lol. More rest and power = less movement?

 

More velo = less spin = less movement?

 

Still retarded idk

[Grant77]

Not a big fan. I understand why they're doing it, especially with the added Estrada back issue, but I my gut is telling me the extra day between starts is gonna mess with some of the starters.

 

I agree. All of the off days coming up means 6 or 7 days rest for our starters. I would rather skip Sanchez once and give Liriano a 2 start audition. If he fails, then problem solved. If not, then you reevaluate.

[Stangstag]

This plan goes completely out the window if an injury happens.

[reedjohnsonfan]

I agree. All of the off days coming up means 6 or 7 days rest for our starters. I would rather skip Sanchez once and give Liriano a 2 start audition. If he fails, then problem solved. If not, then you reevaluate.

 

Liriano is making a lot of money and has been around the league a long time. Sure he's having a poor season but you're going to give him 2 starts to decide whether he'll stick? Sounds like a terrible idea.

[Grant77]

Liriano is making a lot of money and has been around the league a long time. Sure he's having a poor season but you're going to give him 2 starts to decide whether he'll stick? Sounds like a terrible idea.

 

I'm not saying you cut him or anything, just stick him in the 'pen for a while to sort things out. This is a pennant race, we can't put up with too many sub par performances.

 

He said he's perfectly willing to pitch as a reliever and he'll be a big part of the team in 2017 either way.

[Krylian]

More velo = less spin = less movement?

 

Still retarded idk

 

It's not a new concept. Have heard that argument for decades. Whether it's an old wives tale I don't know... But I'm guessing there has to be some sort of data that would have lead to this argument being raised in the first place.

 

I guess we'll wait and see what happens.

 

Bottom line. Nothing would be better than all 6 performing well.

[GD]

It's not a new concept. Have heard that argument for decades. Whether it's an old wives tale I don't know... But I'm guessing there has to be some sort of data that would have lead to this argument being raised in the first place.

 

I guess we'll wait and see what happens.

 

Bottom line. Nothing would be better than all 6 performing well.

 

That wouldn't only affect sinkers though.

[reedjohnsonfan]

I'm not saying you cut him or anything, just stick him in the 'pen for a while to sort things out. This is a pennant race, we can't put up with too many sub par performances.

 

He said he's perfectly willing to pitch as a reliever and he'll be a big part of the team in 2017 either way.

 

It seems unlikely that they would trade for him and take his salary and then put him in the pen after two starts. If they're acquiring him at the deadline they must believe in his ability and two starts should not decide whether he'll stick in the rotation. We'll see what happens but IMO it seems very unlikely.

[Grant77]

It seems unlikely that they would trade for him and take his salary and then put him in the pen after two starts. If they're acquiring him at the deadline they must believe in his ability and two starts should not decide whether he'll stick in the rotation. We'll see what happens but IMO it seems very unlikely.

 

They certainly discussed the possibility. I think everyone believes in him, we just don't have the luxury to deal with a bunch of stinkers down the stretch.

[Captain Adama]

Not sure if this was posted already, but Shapiro had a great interview with MLB network on Sanchez:

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/v1009743783/sanchez-expected-to-remain-in-sixman-rotation/?affiliateId=clubMEGAMENU

[Dick_Pole]

Surprised that no one has brought this up yet, but this is poor use of a roster spot. Unless they intend to give the starters a bit of a longer leash as opposed to Gibbons' auto-pull after 7 innings. Good thing September is coming up soon so this won't make a difference by then.

[Maahfaace]

This reeks of a minor player revolt with regards to Sanchez heading to to bullpen. Management doing a 180 in less than 24 hrs after the GM flies in definitely has players decision written all over it. It would be interesting to find out who was the most vocal in that meeting, but that probably won't happen till Bats is signed by Dave Stewart to a 6 year 175 million deal.

[Laika]

I kind of like this.

 

Estrada could use a turn or two where he gets extra rest. Liriano could use as many changes of pace as possible. Sanchez and Stroman both could use some extra rest, I bet.

 

Mostly I like this because with the nature of pitching, six man rotations are destined to not last anyway. This is probably a 6-12 game thing and nothing more. Then reevaluate.

[5minutesforframing]

I agree Todd. A 6 Man rotation means less of Dickey.

 

Also means less of the good pitchers.

[5minutesforframing]

Sure hope this idea works for the jays.

But could see less of RA Dickey.

And give the jays a idea for how the

rotation looks without dickey new year.

And money to sign maybe Edwin and Saunders

 

Dickey's money will

not be enough to cover

One of Edwin or Saunders

contracts not to mention both.

[Stangstag]

Dickey's money will

not be enough to cover

One of Edwin or Saunders

contracts not to mention both.

 

So poetic