Jays desperately need to acquire infield depth

[jb22]

wRC+ adjusts for run environment

 

Ok then use another stat the point sill stands he was above average hitting SS on the road while with COL.

[GD]

Ok then use another stat the point sill stands he was above average hitting SS on the road while with COL.

 

You could just use his overall wRC+. The point of the stat is to show his offensive ability isn't just Coors-based.

[jb22]

You could just use his overall wRC+. The point of the stat is to show his offensive ability isn't just Coors-based.

 

Thanks Gordon.

[TheGrandslamMan]

What do you think his 650 OPS in his 300 at bats with the Blue Jays is attributed to?

 

Sure, it's not the largest sample size... But he's approaching a pretty ugly seasons worth of offensive stats considering the money the club is paying him.

 

There was an interesting article posted on fangraphs documenting his regression today. You guys should give this a read http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-worrisome-trend-for-troy-tulowitzki/

 

The ending of the article somes it up perfectly:

"Pull-heavy guys who don’t make contact are often at the end of their road as productive hitters, and it certainly seems possible that Tulowitzki’s time as an impact offensive player is coming to an end........

 

......Troy Tulowitzki as an elite player is probably gone forever"

[KingKat]

What do you think his 650 OPS in his 300 at bats with the Blue Jays is attributed to?

 

Sure, it's not the largest sample size... But he's approaching a pretty ugly seasons worth of offensive stats considering the money the club is paying him.

 

There was an interesting article posted on fangraphs documenting his regression today. You guys should give this a read http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-worrisome-trend-for-troy-tulowitzki/

 

The ending of the article somes it up perfectly:

"Pull-heavy guys who don’t make contact are often at the end of their road as productive hitters, and it certainly seems possible that Tulowitzki’s time as an impact offensive player is coming to an end........

 

......Troy Tulowitzki as an elite player is probably gone forever"

 

First comment was interesting. It mirrors what a lot of people on here are saying. Pitch recognition just doesn't seem there anymore.

[Spanky99]

What do you think his 650 OPS in his 300 at bats with the Blue Jays is attributed to?

 

Sure, it's not the largest sample size... But he's approaching a pretty ugly seasons worth of offensive stats considering the money the club is paying him.

 

There was an interesting article posted on fangraphs documenting his regression today. You guys should give this a read http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-worrisome-trend-for-troy-tulowitzki/

 

The ending of the article somes it up perfectly:

"Pull-heavy guys who don’t make contact are often at the end of their road as productive hitters, and it certainly seems possible that Tulowitzki’s time as an impact offensive player is coming to an end........

 

......Troy Tulowitzki as an elite player is probably gone forever"

 

Conveniently leaves out...

 

"There’s enough of a track record and underlying skills to expect him to still be something like a league average hitter going forward — our depth charts are projecting a 103 wRC+ over the rest of the season — and he can still play shortstop well enough that league average offense makes him a valuable player. This isn’t Tulowitzki’s obituary, and he won’t keep hitting this poorly.

 

But the fact that Tulo is now swinging through strikes, while being more selective at what he swings at, suggests that he’s probably never again going to be the guy he was in Colorado. He can still help the Blue Jays as a solid hitter playing a premium position..."

[closetjaysfan]

Bullpen.

 

The End.

 

Disagree. Bullpen is middle of the road as per fangraphs: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Offence is also middle of the road: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=&age=&filter=&players=0

 

The problem is that no one expected the jays to be relying on their bullpen this season. We all expected them to be the middle of the road, which is where they are. No one expected the offence to be middle of the road. Most would have it ranked in the top 5 in the league with many picking it as the #1. Would it matter of the BP was giving up a couple runs a game if the offence was in full gear? I doubt we would even be discussing an even crappier bullpen if our offence was where it should be.

[Krylian]

Disagree. Bullpen is middle of the road as per fangraphs: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Offence is also middle of the road: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=&age=&filter=&players=0

 

The problem is that no one expected the jays to be relying on their bullpen this season. We all expected them to be the middle of the road, which is where they are. No one expected the offence to be middle of the road. Most would have it ranked in the top 5 in the league with many picking it as the #1. Would it matter of the BP was giving up a couple runs a game if the offence was in full gear? I doubt we would even be discussing an even crappier bullpen if our offence was where it should be.

 

How many games have the Jays lost this season due to bullpen meltdowns.

[closetjaysfan]

How many games have the Jays lost this season due to bullpen meltdowns.

 

Well the bullpen is constantly being put in situations where they are asked to not give up any runs for 3 or even 4 plus innings. That is expecting too much from an average bullpen. It is not too much to ask that one of the best offences in the majors (on paper) give the pitching adequate run support. It is not like the bullpen is blowing 3+ run leads. Those losses attributed to the bullpen are mostly tie or 1 run games.

 

The better question is: How many games have the jays lost due to inadequate/under-performing offence.

 

This is without even addressing the issue of bullpen mismanagement. Utilizing RHP vs. LHB when you have LHP in available (LHP that come in latter in the game to face RHB no less) isnt helping.

[West Texas Forever]

How many games have the Jays lost this season due to bullpen meltdowns.

 

This right here, the Jays bullpen has pissed away 14 games this year? A good bullpen would maybe drop 7 of those 14 instead, turning an 18-18 club into 25-11 team instead, that is a huge swing.

[Governator]

Well the bullpen is constantly being put in situations where they are asked to not give up any runs for 3 or even 4 plus innings. That is expecting too much from an average bullpen. It is not too much to ask that one of the best offences in the majors (on paper) give the pitching adequate run support. It is not like the bullpen is blowing 3+ run leads. Those losses attributed to the bullpen are mostly tie or 1 run games.

 

The better question is: How many games have the jays lost due to inadequate/under-performing offence.

 

This is without even addressing the issue of bullpen mismanagement. Utilizing RHP vs. LHB when you have LHP in available (LHP that come in latter in the game to face RHB no less) isnt helping.

 

Our BP has rarely had to go 4 innings? Our relievers have likely pitched the least amount of innings in the majors.

[Captain Adama]

Our BP has rarely had to go 4 innings? Our relievers have likely pitched the least amount of innings in the majors.

 

Yup. Only 90 IP, only the Cubs bullpen has pitched fewer innings (87.2) xFIP for the Jays' rotation is mediocre, but they are getting a lot of IP per start.

[Jimcanuck]

This right here, the Jays bullpen has pissed away 14 games this year? A good bullpen would maybe drop 7 of those 14 instead, turning an 18-18 club into 25-11 team instead, that is a huge swing.

 

Good news then. No way in hell is that going to continue season long.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

If they can give us innings the pen too

Bonus !!!