Does the StroShow blow?

[THANOS]

If his post-game doesn't address that he needs to change his approach, he'll never wise up.

[Jonn]

He needs to go to Triple-A and make the adjustment back to a strikeout pitcher.

[BlueJayWay]

He'll be fine. Just needs to get the pitch to contact crap out of his head.

 

It's a phase he's going thru....

[Krylian]

The strange thing is that some people will take an outing like today's (5.1, 5K's, 11H, 7R) over 8 innings and 3 K's, 5H, and 1R.

[Cyborg]

The strange thing is that some people will take an outing like today's (5.1, 5K's, 11H, 7R) over 8 innings and 3 K's, 5H, and 1R.

 

Obviously the second is better for that game, but its a worse sign for the future as the first is indicitvie of a better future performance.

[THANOS]

The strange thing is that some people will take an outing like today's (5.1, 5K's, 11H, 7R) over 8 innings and 3 K's, 5H, and 1R.

 

Same approach in both starts, just lucked into some K's today.

[BigCecil]

Becoming very frustrating to watch this kid with all the talent he has not make adjustments.

 

The league is only looking down and mostly away on him now, and they are laying off the incessant nibbling. 3.76 xFIP isn't what he could produce with his stuff. His GB% is dropping as hitters lay off and make him bring the ball up.

 

Yesterday he got tattooed. It just seems that in almost every game....BB, dribbler and a couple well hit balls are leading to big innings against him leaving runners on, or the pen when he is pulled. Even the outs were hard yesterday. He just cant get the K's to finish guys off and he has a .290 BABIP against him.

 

Id like to see him lead the league in something other than IP. We already have one back end "innings eater".

Edited May 29, 2016 by BigCecil

[THANOS]

Becoming very frustrating to watch this kid with all the talent he has not make adjustments.

 

The league is only looking down and mostly away on him now, and they are laying off the incessant nibbling. 3.76 xFIP isn't what he could produce with his stuff. His GB% is dropping as hitters lay off and make him bring the ball up.

 

Yesterday he got tattooed. It just seems that in almost every game....BB, dribbler and a couple well hit balls are leading to big innings against him leaving runners on, or the pen when he is pulled. Even the outs were hard yesterday. He just cant get the K's to finish guys off and he has a .290 BABIP against him.

 

Id like to see him lead the league in something other than IP. We already have one back end "innings eater".

 

It's super frustrating because we know he has the potential for much better. 2014 was no mirage. He just used all his pitches well and worked all 4 quadrants.

[Daniel Labude]

Becoming very frustrating to watch this kid with all the talent he has not make adjustments.

 

The league is only looking down and mostly away on him now, and they are laying off the incessant nibbling. 3.76 xFIP isn't what he could produce with his stuff. His GB% is dropping as hitters lay off and make him bring the ball up.

 

Yesterday he got tattooed. It just seems that in almost every game....BB, dribbler and a couple well hit balls are leading to big innings against him leaving runners on, or the pen when he is pulled. Even the outs were hard yesterday. He just cant get the K's to finish guys off and he has a .290 BABIP against him.

 

Id like to see him lead the league in something other than IP. We already have one back end "innings eater".

 

This is where the pitching coach needs to step in...will he though?

[baloojayz]

Between the pitching coach and Martin, I think they need to simplify things and take the 2sm out for a bit.

Just 4sm curve/change for 3 games, that should set him straight. Then mix in 2sm as the strikeout pitch ONLY after 3 games.

[burlingtonbandit]

Between the pitching coach and Martin, I think they need to simplify things and take the 2sm out for a bit.

Just 4sm curve/change for 3 games, that should set him straight. Then mix in 2sm as the strikeout pitch ONLY after 3 games.

 

lol you make no sense. First of all a 2 seam is not a strikeout pitch and why would you make him a 4s/curve/change pitcher when he barely throws all 3 of those pitches 25% of the time combined. If anything he should scrap the changeup and throw less cutters as those 2 pitches have been terrible for him.

[baloojayz]

lol you make no sense. First of all a 2 seam is not a strikeout pitch and why would you make him a 4s/curve/change pitcher when he barely throws all 3 of those pitches 25% of the time combined. If anything he should scrap the changeup and throw less cutters as those 2 pitches have been terrible for him.

 

I feel the reason he struggles (when he struggles) is he doesn't pitch well fundamentally (for a front end starter). He has too many tools and can't really use any of them reliably. Cutting out the cutter (for now) and 2 seam would be a huge change, but that is what he needs. Dotting corners with the 4 seam, curve/change/sinker---keep things simple for a bit.

 

It makes no sense to look at his current pitch distribution and batting average against those pitch types when what he's doing now isn't working in the first place.

 

Marcus Stroman's 2 seam can be very effective in strikeout counts. Currently he doesn't set it up properly.

 

 

You watch his 2014 montage, that's all 2seam changeup

 

Offspeed pitches become useless when you can't locate with your 4sm fastball. Same thing with the cutter.

 

Basically more 4seam usage plz

 

I know 2sm is not a strikeout pitch, I intended to say save it for a strikeout count.

Edited May 30, 2016 by baloojayz

[polar bear]

If his post-game doesn't address that he needs to change his approach, he'll never wise up.

 

Hopefully he's not taking the Ricky Romero route.

[THANOS]

What's the prediction for tomorrow?

 

If he continues the same approach, then..

 

5.2 IP, 8 H, 5 ER, 2 K, 2 BB

[Daniel Labude]

What's the prediction for tomorrow?

 

If he continues the same approach, then..

 

5.2 IP, 8 H, 5 ER, 2 K, 2 BB

 

It's not so much his approach as its the quality of pitches in his last game. He hasn't been able to locate the 2 seamers at all and once behind in the count has to throw it over the plate. If he isn't locating the 2 seam he needs to use the 4 seam and more offspeed...he has to adapt.

[THANOS]

It's not so much his approach as its the quality of pitches in his last game. He hasn't been able to locate the 2 seamers at all and once behind in the count has to throw it over the plate. If he isn't locating the 2 seam he needs to use the 4 seam and more offspeed...he has to adapt.

 

I don't know about you but I saw an awful lot of 0-2 and 1-2 2SM which should not be happening. His stuff is far too good to be doing that crap.

 

He also doesn't have the pin-point control to paint the lower corners with 2SM all day like he tries to, and even when he does, the predictability of his pitches allow hitters to get on him quick.

[Daniel Labude]

I don't know about you but I saw an awful lot of 0-2 and 1-2 2SM which should not be happening. His stuff is far too good to be doing that crap.

 

He also doesn't have the pin-point control to paint the lower corners with 2SM all day like he tries to, and even when he does, the predictability of his pitches allow hitters to get on him quick.

 

Yeah, the 0-2 fastballs seem like they are due to lack of confidence in the offspeed. Once he gains those pitches I think the K's will increase some again. But until then he needs to change his approach.

[RealAccountant]

Really bad feeling for the Stroshow today, Unless he comes with a different game plan, we will need 10 runs to win this game. These are really good fast ball hitters, they wont miss many of those 2 seam meatballs.

[Jimcanuck]

Really bad feeling for the Stroshow today, Unless he comes with a different game plan, we will need 10 runs to win this game. These are really good fast ball hitters, they wont miss many of those 2 seam meatballs.

 

I've got a worse feeling for Steven Wright

[RealAccountant]

I've got a worse feeling for Steven Wright

 

Steven Wright is great, and he doesn't need a special catcher.

[burlingtonbandit]

What's the prediction for tomorrow?

 

If he continues the same approach, then..

 

5.2 IP, 8 H, 5 ER, 2 K, 2 BB

 

He had this same "approach" during a few starts where he struck out 8 and 9 batters. You fail to realize throwing a few extra 4 seamers isn't going to make him into this ace all of a sudden. His offspeed pitches have been inconsistent and command of the fastball is the real reason he has been struggling.

[THANOS]

He had this same "approach" during a few starts where he struck out 8 and 9 batters. You fail to realize throwing a few extra 4 seamers isn't going to make him into this ace all of a sudden. His offspeed pitches have been inconsistent and command of the fastball is the real reason he has been struggling.

 

He wasn't trying paint the low corners with 2SM the entire game when he struck out 8 and 9 batters. Go look at his pitch usage and location.

[thatoneguy]

Getting hard to watch.

[Maahfaace]

Getting hard to watch.

Indeed

[ProfessionalAtBat]

He should be a reliever

[burlingtonbandit]

He wasn't trying paint the low corners with 2SM the entire game when he struck out 8 and 9 batters. Go look at his pitch usage and location.

 

It has more to do with command than pitch selection. This start he's throwing a ton of 4 seamers but still getting hit because of location.

[TBJ12]

Anyone want to explain why Gibby didnt walk Ortiz there?

[burlingtonbandit]

Anyone want to explain why Gibby didnt walk Ortiz there?

 

3rd inning and you don't want to be giving up free baserunners.

[RealAccountant]

Anyone want to explain why Gibby didnt walk Ortiz there?

 

Its the third inning, in a game in June, with what is one of your best starters

[204Jays]

Ricky Romero 2.0