Does the StroShow blow?

[doublek27]

Stroman ain't a #1 but a solid #2. The guy they will be tonight is what you call a #1 and probably the best in the AL.

[FrozenRopes]

Is there any actual statistical evidence behind this? I hear it all the time regarding taller pitchers but I've never read anything to confirm it.

 

The release point of synder is much closer to the hitter than stroman. This takes away time the battery has to make a decision. If speeds are the same but the distance is shorter, that is the difference.

[KingKat]

Let's just hope that this start was the nail in the coffin on his "new approach" as a pitcher.

 

I'm not optimistic. Seems like he's very likely to do what a lot of fans are doing which is to blame the bullpen for not stranding his inherited runners as opposed to taking responsibility for conceding so many base runners in the first place.

[Effit]

Definitely not pitching to his potential. It's a shame.

 

Is the Jays BP now running this forum?

[Belliss101]

Ya think Pete?

 

The good news is Pete Walker understands this, and perhaps we'll begin to see a shift.

[Atothe]

I haven't seen a #2 starter so this season. He's been mediocre

[BigCecil]

I'm not optimistic. Seems like he's very likely to do what a lot of fans are doing which is to blame the bullpen for not stranding his inherited runners as opposed to taking responsibility for conceding so many base runners in the first place.

 

His shtick only works if he delivers consistently. If he doesn't its just annoying.

 

He has left the bases loaded a couple times(NYY and CWS)and the pen hasn't gotten it done for him. It would be easy to blame the pen, but the real issue is the BBs and contact are up...the balls are bouncing through. This kid shouldn't have an xFIP of 4.

 

He isn't using his other pitches or the upper half of the zone enough. Hitters are only looking to the bottom of the zone against him, which gives them the whole upper half of and around the zone. I'm confident he has the stuff to figure this out at some point this season.

Edited April 26, 2016 by BigCecil

[L54]

Is Marcus Stroman the newest case of Brett Lawrie in Blue Jay land?

[Angrioter]

2015 Stroman 4.89 K/9

2016 Buehrle 4.12 K/9

2016 Pelfrey 4.70 K/9

[intentional wok]

The sinker still is probably his best pitch and no one wants him to get rid of it. Just throw it less and mix in his 4 seamer a little more with some more curveballs and sliders.

 

I think people's expectations including myself were maybe too high for him. Ever since the injury his breaking ball just hasn't been consistent.

 

I don't think people's expectations were too high. I'd argue they were (and are) reasonable for a pitcher of the skill level Stroman has already demonstrated. The problem is that he seems to be putting some of his unique skills off to the side and expects to still be getting the same results. This is to be expected when someone rigidly sticks to a sub-optimal game plan that invites luck in the door as much as possible. You only get to complain about BABIP if you make a reasonable effort to prevent the BIP.

[Governator]

Martin was here to work with young pitchers, bring the best out of them. The two need to work it out, get on the same page and Martin needs to take the leadership role.

[Atothe]

2015 Stroman 4.89 K/9

2016 Buehrle 4.12 K/9

2016 Pelfrey 4.70 K/9

 

Buehrle was good at defense and low stolen bases. Stroman isn't.

[jb22]

2015 Stroman 4.89 K/9

2016 Buehrle 4.12 K/9

2016 Pelfrey 4.70 K/9

 

buehrle still doin his thang in 2016

[KingKat]

I don't think people's expectations were too high. I'd argue they were (and are) reasonable for a pitcher of the skill level Stroman has already demonstrated. The problem is that he seems to be putting some of his unique skills off to the side and expects to still be getting the same results. This is to be expected when someone rigidly sticks to a sub-optimal game plan that invites luck in the door as much as possible. You only get to complain about BABIP if you make a reasonable effort to prevent the BIP.

 

Fan expectation is really an entirely different issue. Maybe it's too high and maybe it isn't but that has nothing to do with whether or not Stroman's current approach is the right one for his skill set. That's the real question.

[intentional wok]

Fan expectation is really an entirely different issue. Maybe it's too high and maybe it isn't but that has nothing to do with whether or not Stroman's current approach is the right one for his skill set. That's the real question.

 

Well burl's post suggested fans hold him in too high esteem, but I don't think many do. If Stro wants to change his tactics it doesn't mean our enthusiasm for 2014 Stroman was "too high".

[KingKat]

it doesn't mean our enthusiasm for 2014 Stroman was "too high".

 

Well I might agree with him that it was too high. It's just that it's hardly the point. The issue isn't just under-performance. It's the "why" of the under-performance.

[intentional wok]

Based on what I wrote to burlington I'm not sure where we're disagreeing (outside of exactly how excited 2014 Stroman should have made fans).

[Angrioter]

[Boxcar]

Objectively false.

 

Did you forget to add the bonus for him being a blue Jay?

[THANOS]

John Lott ✔ ‎@LottOnBaseball

… based on what I’m hearing from pitching coach Pete Walker, the 64 2-seamers (sinkers) he threw tonight were too many

 

That's actually quite encouraging and highly unexpected, but given what we've seen from Sanchez, I doubt Walker said that.

[Dr. Dinger]

He's no Sonny Gray.

[Boxcar]

He's no Sonny Gray.

 

Thankfully

[Dr. Dinger]

Thankfully

 

Sonny Gray is:

 

"As good as Chris Sale and David Price, right up there." - Pat Tabler

"A Top 5 pitcher in the game." - Gregg Zaun

 

Stro only wishes he could breathe that rarefied air.

[BTS]

Sonny Gray is really good.

[RealAccountant]

If Cecil just gets a fricking out, then Stroman pitched an amazing game.

 

Cecil sucks, blowing games left and right.

[Dr. Dinger]

Sonny Gray is really good.

 

Definitely a high-end SP2 for my money. Stro looks like maybe an SP2. Sonny does everything he does but a bit better.

[THANOS]

Sonny Gray is basically 2014 Stroman

[BTS]

Definitely a high-end SP2 for my money. Stro looks like maybe an SP2. Sonny does everything he does but a bit better.

 

The numbers Gray puts up are what we all hope Stroman can do, pretty much across the board. They have the same skill sets, Gray has just realized his potential and Stro is still trying to figure it out.

[Angrioter]

The numbers Gray puts up are what we all hope Stroman can do, pretty much across the board. They have the same skill sets, Gray has just realized his potential and Stro is still trying to figure it out.

What about intangibles?

Stroman' cockiness is a negative element right now IMO

[THANOS]

The numbers Gray puts up are what we all hope Stroman can do, pretty much across the board. They have the same skill sets, Gray has just realized his potential and Stro is still trying to figure it out.

 

The funny thing is Stroman's 2014 was better than Gray's past 3 seasons, thus far, in the MLB. It just sucks that Stro took his skillset and threw it on the backburner in-order to become something completely different.